The Aloha Hour (WE WERE RIGHT)

[tmthforu94]

In my time here, it has been considered valid to delete your ballot and submit a new ballot. This happened in my first election and a few weeks ago, I honored a similar precedent by giving the heads up to do the same thing (although in this case, people started voting too early and three or so people ended up deleting and re-voting - I also deleted a post prior to voting in the thread when I warned that all early votes would be invalid). If you ask me, from the standpoint of being the election administrator, Pericles had followed all rules at the time of closing by looking solely at the voting booth thread so if this had not gone public, it'd be hard to prove that Pericles did indeed cast an illegal vote because we obviously can't see deleted posts. Someone has a few hours before I will certify the results to change my mind but I see no legal argument that one can not delete their vote.

In Virginia's case, her second vote would be valid since her first vote occurred before the vote even happen. I'd be interested in hearing Truman's reasoning on this since he keeps advising people that they can delete their votes and re-vote, I personally don't see how it is much different from editing your vote after 20 minutes (illegal).

If there isn't a court case (not too much point since it won't change the results), I strongly urge Congress to pass legislation clarifying that it is prohibited for individuals to delete their votes and revote. Maybe since Pericles took advantage of this potentialloophole, he will take the lead on getting it passed through Congress?

[YE]

In my time here, it has been considered valid to delete your ballot and submit a new ballot. This happened in my first election and a few weeks ago, I honored a similar precedent by giving the heads up to do the same thing (although in this case, people started voting too early and three or so people ended up deleting and re-voting - I also deleted a post prior to voting in the thread when I warned that all early votes would be invalid). If you ask me, from the standpoint of being the election administrator, Pericles had followed all rules at the time of closing by looking solely at the voting booth thread so if this had not gone public, it'd be hard to prove that Pericles did indeed cast an illegal vote because we obviously can't see deleted posts. Someone has a few hours before I will certify the results to change my mind but I see no legal argument that one can not delete their vote.

In Virginia's case, her second vote would be valid since her first vote occurred before the vote even happen. I'd be interested in hearing Truman's reasoning on this since he keeps advising people that they can delete their votes and re-vote, I personally don't see how it is much different from editing your vote after 20 minutes (illegal).

If there isn't a court case (not too much point since it won't change the results), I strongly urge Congress to pass legislation clarifying that it is prohibited for individuals to delete their votes and revote.

How do you enforce that though aside from eyewitness?

[tmthforu94]

In my time here, it has been considered valid to delete your ballot and submit a new ballot. This happened in my first election and a few weeks ago, I honored a similar precedent by giving the heads up to do the same thing (although in this case, people started voting too early and three or so people ended up deleting and re-voting - I also deleted a post prior to voting in the thread when I warned that all early votes would be invalid). If you ask me, from the standpoint of being the election administrator, Pericles had followed all rules at the time of closing by looking solely at the voting booth thread so if this had not gone public, it'd be hard to prove that Pericles did indeed cast an illegal vote because we obviously can't see deleted posts. Someone has a few hours before I will certify the results to change my mind but I see no legal argument that one can not delete their vote.

In Virginia's case, her second vote would be valid since her first vote occurred before the vote even happen. I'd be interested in hearing Truman's reasoning on this since he keeps advising people that they can delete their votes and re-vote, I personally don't see how it is much different from editing your vote after 20 minutes (illegal).

If there isn't a court case (not too much point since it won't change the results), I strongly urge Congress to pass legislation clarifying that it is prohibited for individuals to delete their votes and revote.

How do you enforce that though aside from eyewitness?

Eyewitnesses and screenshots, there is no other mechanism unless we made drastic changes to how votes occur. Use vote trackers as it'll be hard to explain how someone is on a vote tracker and then their vote disappears. Someone would have to flat-out lie to get away with it, hopefully there aren't too many lying losers in the game!!   If we're not going to act, then we might as well remove the 20 minute editing rule and let people edit their votes throughout the course of the election.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

In Virginia's case, her second vote would be valid since her first vote occurred before the vote even happen. I'd be interested in hearing Truman's reasoning on this since he keeps advising people that they can delete their votes and re-vote, I personally don't see how it is much different from editing your vote after 20 minutes (illegal).

In essence, I don't find that argument convincing. I think everyone is aware that editing one post is functionally different from deleting that post and making another (they are different functions of the forum software), and it requires a novel re-interpretation of "edit" to conclude otherwise. The precedent established in Bacon King vs. Rpryor sets a very high bar for ballots cast during the voting period to be invalidated; if deleting your ballot and re-voting arguably violates the spirit of the law (I don't agree that it does, but that's not really relevant), it explicitly does not violate the letter of the law, and the Court has established that it will only invalidate ballots in the event of the latter.

Ultimately, the only way deleting your ballot and re-voting is illegal, is if we decide the word "edit" means something it has never before now been understood to mean. Barring an explicit legal prohibition against revotes, I don't see the grounds for discarding Pericles' ballot. I agree with you that Congress should correct this oversight with clarifying legislation, though as YE says, enforcement is likely to be difficult.

If we're not going to act, then we might as well remove the 20 minute editing rule and let people edit their votes throughout the course of the election.

Fair point.

[Pragmatic Conservative]

In my time here, it has been considered valid to delete your ballot and submit a new ballot. This happened in my first election and a few weeks ago, I honored a similar precedent by giving the heads up to do the same thing (although in this case, people started voting too early and three or so people ended up deleting and re-voting - I also deleted a post prior to voting in the thread when I warned that all early votes would be invalid). If you ask me, from the standpoint of being the election administrator, Pericles had followed all rules at the time of closing by looking solely at the voting booth thread so if this had not gone public, it'd be hard to prove that Pericles did indeed cast an illegal vote because we obviously can't see deleted posts. Someone has a few hours before I will certify the results to change my mind but I see no legal argument that one can not delete their vote.

In Virginia's case, her second vote would be valid since her first vote occurred before the vote even happen. I'd be interested in hearing Truman's reasoning on this since he keeps advising people that they can delete their votes and re-vote, I personally don't see how it is much different from editing your vote after 20 minutes (illegal).

If there isn't a court case (not too much point since it won't change the results), I strongly urge Congress to pass legislation clarifying that it is prohibited for individuals to delete their votes and revote.

How do you enforce that though aside from eyewitness?

He admitted to it though privately.

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Are off-the-record statements applicable to a situation like this?

[Poirot]

I don't know where I can find the election laws for Fremont so I'm going to ask, are write-in votes legal in Fremont?

[YE]

I don't know where I can find the election laws for Fremont so I'm going to ask, are write-in votes legal in Fremont?

Yes.

[Poirot]

Thank you for the answer and reference.

[Poirot]

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Is the first preference difference because the last vote has Ken Clarke listed before TPH? I thought voties for non-citizen was not taken into account. The only preference on that ballot is TPH and can be considered a first preference. There is no first preference for Ken Clarke counted or registered in vote count.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Pre-reset, deleting and re-voting was regarded as a means to skirt the 20 minute rule and thus it was explicitly banned.