Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders stumps in Kansas for progressive House candidates

[Antonio the Sixth]

Isnt it a little soon for AOC to be out stumping for other candidates. Like, I get her campaigning for Nixon. But maybe she should focus on winning her own district once or twice before she goes off to Kansas.

It is far too soon to start campaign for others when you aren't even officially in Congress.

To be fair, Obama was campaigning for other Democrats during the summer of 2004, long before he was elected senator.

Obama wasn't a political novice who stumbled over policy questions and didn't make videos talking about how big his primary victory was. Just a matter of opinion for me.

Yeah, I agree that Ocasio-Cortez seems to be an asshole, and campaigning not only out of district but out of state does nothing to change that perception.

You don't like her because she's from a different wing of the Democratic party. That's fine, but don't go around looking for dumb pretexts.

[Chief Justice Keef]

Isnt it a little soon for AOC to be out stumping for other candidates. Like, I get her campaigning for Nixon. But maybe she should focus on winning her own district once or twice before she goes off to Kansas.

It is far too soon to start campaign for others when you aren't even officially in Congress.

To be fair, Obama was campaigning for other Democrats during the summer of 2004, long before he was elected senator.

Obama wasn't a political novice who stumbled over policy questions and didn't make videos talking about how big his primary victory was. Just a matter of opinion for me.

Obama was also called inexperienced and a political novice by both sides up until he won in 2008, but it seems that for you, anyone that doesn't buy into the establishment playbook is a "novice".

[JG]

Isnt it a little soon for AOC to be out stumping for other candidates. Like, I get her campaigning for Nixon. But maybe she should focus on winning her own district once or twice before she goes off to Kansas.

It is far too soon to start campaign for others when you aren't even officially in Congress.

To be fair, Obama was campaigning for other Democrats during the summer of 2004, long before he was elected senator.

Obama wasn't a political novice who stumbled over policy questions and didn't make videos talking about how big his primary victory was. Just a matter of opinion for me.

Obama was also called inexperienced and a political novice by both sides up until he won in 2008, but it seems that for you, anyone that doesn't buy into the establishment playbook is a "novice".

I mean, I like AOC and what she stands for. However, there is no denying that she is a novice. Which isn't a bad thing in itself if she puts the efforts to grow. She will learn and gets a better grasp of policies. She will be fine.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

The Kombucha Party is here. This didn't work out that great for us in 2010.

Yes it did?

We lost four Senate seats because of crazies like Christine O'Donnell. That opened the door to Harry Reid using the nuclear option.

[DrScholl]

Isnt it a little soon for AOC to be out stumping for other candidates. Like, I get her campaigning for Nixon. But maybe she should focus on winning her own district once or twice before she goes off to Kansas.

It is far too soon to start campaign for others when you aren't even officially in Congress.

To be fair, Obama was campaigning for other Democrats during the summer of 2004, long before he was elected senator.

Obama wasn't a political novice who stumbled over policy questions and didn't make videos talking about how big his primary victory was. Just a matter of opinion for me.

Obama was also called inexperienced and a political novice by both sides up until he won in 2008, but it seems that for you, anyone that doesn't buy into the establishment playbook is a "novice".

The "establishment" paranoia has become more than annoying. Her issue positions aren't the problem, it's her stuttering over policy questions and horrible attitude. Obama never behaved the way that she has and had good political acumen.

[Zaybay]

Why would she not use her high profile to help others? Especially when she will need allies in the House to advance her agenda.

You didn't see Stacey Abrams bragging about how she crushed Stacey Evans, did you?

That is a false analogy. AOC has done nothing of the sort, and has only talked about Crowley in fear, rather than in pettiness.

I agree with RFKFan68, why not let her campaign for others who will share her values and help grow a wing of the party? There is nothing to lose here and everything to gain.

[DrScholl]

Why would she not use her high profile to help others? Especially when she will need allies in the House to advance her agenda.

You didn't see Stacey Abrams bragging about how she crushed Stacey Evans, did you?

That is a false analogy. AOC has done nothing of the sort, and has only talked about Crowley in fear, rather than in pettiness.

I agree with RFKFan68, why not let her campaign for others who will share her values and help grow a wing of the party? There is nothing to lose here and everything to gain.

That is clear bragging.

[Landslide Lyndon]

You don't like her because she's from a different wing of the Democratic party. That's fine, but don't go around looking for dumb pretexts.

That is clear bragging.

You used to be a good poster Antonio. Tone down your hysteria.

[IceSpear]

The Kombucha Party is here. This didn't work out that great for us in 2010.

Yes it did?

We lost four Senate seats because of crazies like Christine O'Donnell. That opened the door to Harry Reid using the nuclear option.

Seems like pretty small potatoes compared to the rest of the massive successes you guys had during the Obama years.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

The Kombucha Party is here. This didn't work out that great for us in 2010.

Yes it did?

We lost four Senate seats because of crazies like Christine O'Donnell. That opened the door to Harry Reid using the nuclear option.

Seems like pretty small potatoes compared to the rest of the massive successes you guys had during the Obama years.

There were a lot of successes, and the House that year was a resounding win. The consequences of the Dems keeping the Senate for those two years were disastrous on many levels, though, and it was entirely due to own-goals.

There's no real fallout to having an uninformed socialist in a safe NY seat besides some bad PR, obviously, but when she starts going around pushing for insurgent left-wing candidates in places like Ohio and Nebraska, that's endangering seats.

[Zaybay]

The Kombucha Party is here. This didn't work out that great for us in 2010.

Yes it did?

We lost four Senate seats because of crazies like Christine O'Donnell. That opened the door to Harry Reid using the nuclear option.

Seems like pretty small potatoes compared to the rest of the massive successes you guys had during the Obama years.

There were a lot of successes, and the House that year was a resounding win. The consequences of the Dems keeping the Senate for those two years were disastrous on many levels, though, and it was entirely due to own-goals.

There's no real fallout to having an uninformed socialist in a safe NY seat besides some bad PR, obviously, but when she starts going around pushing for insurgent left-wing candidates in places like Ohio and Nebraska, that's endangering seats.

Dont sell yourself short. You guys did wonderfully in 2010, and even though most were right-wing extremists, won a lot of seats in both the senate and house.

The 4 in the senate that you say you should have won are debatable. While everyone references O'Donnell as the reason for losing the seat, its likely that it would have still gone to Coons, due to the fact that voter turnout against the house Rep was not that contentious, and all polling showed Coons in the lead. Dino Rossi might have won in WA, but thats really it. The Dems had to big of a lead to change anything in 2010.

In 2012, the if the two infamous candidates were replaced, then its likely that the Democrats...would still control the senate, with 51 seats.

Also, as I stated before, Left Wing candidates dont lose seats. In fact, 1/3 of all D tossup seats are held by Left-Wing Democrats. Most moderate and centrist candidates have been the ones to lose in the Obama years, while Left Wingers have won more seats. Name 5 Left Wing Democrats who lost the general to an R, flipping the seat, and you will struggle. Try it with centrists, and you will have too many to count.

[MAINEiac4434]

Why would she not use her high profile to help others? Especially when she will need allies in the House to advance her agenda.

You didn't see Stacey Abrams bragging about how she crushed Stacey Evans, did you?

That is a false analogy. AOC has done nothing of the sort, and has only talked about Crowley in fear, rather than in pettiness.

I agree with RFKFan68, why not let her campaign for others who will share her values and help grow a wing of the party? There is nothing to lose here and everything to gain.

That is clear bragging.

*AOC landslides one of the most powerful Democrats in Washington by more than fifteen points who had literally the entire establishment behind him as well as millions more dollars*

"God, why is she bragging?!?!"

[Chief Justice Keef]

Why would she not use her high profile to help others? Especially when she will need allies in the House to advance her agenda.

You didn't see Stacey Abrams bragging about how she crushed Stacey Evans, did you?

That is a false analogy. AOC has done nothing of the sort, and has only talked about Crowley in fear, rather than in pettiness.

I agree with RFKFan68, why not let her campaign for others who will share her values and help grow a wing of the party? There is nothing to lose here and everything to gain.

That is clear bragging.

*AOC landslides one of the most powerful Democrats in Washington by more than fifteen points who had literally the entire establishment behind him*

"God, why is she bragging?!?!"

If only she had said something completely bloodless like "NOW IT'S TIME TO COME TOGETHER AS DEMOCRATS AND BRING THE FIGHT TO DANGEROUS DONALD". Or maybe she could've really been more polite and humble by not putting up a fight at all, dropping out and endorsing Crowley to rebuke "purity politics".

[Landslide Lyndon]

*AOC landslides one of the most powerful Democrats in Washington by more than fifteen points who had literally the entire establishment behind him as well as millions more dollars*

"God, why is she bragging?!?!"

A little humility never hurt anybody. I don't remember Doug Jones or Connor Lamb bragging after their wins.
As a matter of fact the only politician off the top of my head who has showed similar behavior is Trump.

Also, let's not forget that when asked in a debate if she would support Crowley in case he won she refused to answer. That's a totally dickish move no matter what the politics of the district.

[MAINEiac4434]

*AOC landslides one of the most powerful Democrats in Washington by more than fifteen points who had literally the entire establishment behind him as well as millions more dollars*

"God, why is she bragging?!?!"

A little humility never hurt anybody. I don't remember Doug Jones or Connor Lamb bragging after their wins.

Doug Jones barely beat an openly racist pedophile who was all but disavowed from his national party. Conor Lamb barely beat a complete and utter idiot who wanted to engage in class warfare against most of his potential constituents. Neither of those races were resounding victories, neither of them merited bravado, both Lamb and Jones were favored immediately before the election while AOC was thought to have little chance. Neither of their victories are even remotely on the scale of what AOC did.

I also think it's bizarre that you cite two white male politicians to compare AOC to. Her persona reminds me a lot of Maxine Waters, honestly. A woman of color from an urban, heavily minority district who does not care whose toes she steps on in her fight.

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lol k dude

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She's DSA, and the DSA openly does not support Democrats that do not agree with the their stated goals. And if she lost by like a 60-30 margin in this D+29 district, who would care if she didn't endorse him? She would hold no power and little influence.

Joe Crowley is still Chair of the Queens County Democrats, still the Chair of the House Democratic Caucus, and is still on the ballot. He definitely needed to make more overtures in his defeat than AOC would have had she lost.

[DrScholl]

There were quite a few Democrats who won big in legislative special elections that didn't really harp on the size of their win. You win for the people and an agenda not personal bragging rights. That aside, Maxine Waters is a lot different than Ocasio-Cortez in terms of work style and I doubt the two will get along in Congress because Waters is probably too "centrist" for Ocasio-Cortez. The only person she is like in Congress is Sanders and that is it.

[henster]

This is the worst kind of district for a Berniecrat.

[Jeppe]

I still don’t really get what Brent Welder’s qualifications even are. The only thing ever mentioned about him is that he was a DNC Delegate in 2016, from St. Louis, Missouri...

[MAINEiac4434]

There were quite a few Democrats who won big in legislative special elections that didn't really harp on the size of their win. You win for the people and an agenda not personal bragging rights.

Yes, that's what happened in New York. It's why AOC won. The people liked her policies more than Crowley, despite how much money and endorsements he had. They liked it so much better that they sent him packing to the tune of a 15-point defeat.

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What is AOC's work-style? You don't think she mixes drinks the way Maxine will like them?

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Yes, gun-grabbing straight-talking Cuba-loving ICE-abolishing Maxine Waters is too centrist for AOC. She's been a boogeyman for the right (see: this absurdly racist article from 2000) and basically the template for urban lefty for nearly two decades, and was even endorsed by the DSA in 1996.

Also, evidence for your assertion that the only person she likes in Congress is Bernie please.

I feel like I am through the looking glass here. I've seen more liberal bellyaching about AOC over the last five weeks than literally anyone else. The only thing I have to compare it to is the early spring of 2016 when twitter libs were freaking out about Bernie Sanders when he still had a shot at winning the nomination before New York came and destroyed those dreams.

I still don’t really get what Brent Welder’s qualifications even are. The only thing ever mentioned about him is that he was a DNC Delegate in 2016, from St. Louis, Missouri...

None, really, but then again neither did AOC (but she did, at least, live in the district before the election). I like Davids here, personally.

EDIT: Patrick Murphy (yes, that one) has apparently endorsed Welder, which seems very un-Murphy-like. So have Jason Kander, Jamie Raskin, Mark Pocan, Bruce Braley and former KS Dems chair Lee Kinch. Weird establishment/progressive insurgent crossover support here.

[Greedo punched first]

There were quite a few Democrats who won big in legislative special elections that didn't really harp on the size of their win. You win for the people and an agenda not personal bragging rights. That aside, Maxine Waters is a lot different than Ocasio-Cortez in terms of work style and I doubt the two will get along in Congress because Waters is probably too "centrist" for Ocasio-Cortez. The only person she is like in Congress is Sanders and that is it.

Even Bernie Sanders is to the right of Ocasio-Cortez.

[Alabama_Indy10]

I was glad when she beat Crowley but now I certainly wish Crowley would have won.

[DrScholl]

Yes, that's what happened in New York. It's why AOC won. The people liked her policies more than Crowley, despite how much money and endorsements he had. They liked it so much better that they sent him packing to the tune of a 15-point defeat.

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What is AOC's work-style? You don't think she mixes drinks the way Maxine will like them?

Yes, gun-grabbing straight-talking Cuba-loving ICE-abolishing Maxine Waters is too centrist for AOC. She's been a boogeyman for the right (see: this absurdly racist article from 2000) and basically the template for urban lefty for nearly two decades, and was even endorsed by the DSA in 1996.

Also, evidence for your assertion that the only person she likes in Congress is Bernie please.

I feel like I am through the looking glass here. I've seen more liberal bellyaching about AOC over the last five weeks than literally anyone else. The only thing I have to compare it to is the early spring of 2016 when twitter libs were freaking out about Bernie Sanders when he still had a shot at winning the nomination before New York came and destroyed those dreams.

Being gracious after winning can take you a long way, but everyone has their own personal style and they are entitled to it.

Maxine Waters endorsed and supported Hillary Clinton. That is a big no no for AOC types and all they need to claim someone is too corporate or too centrist.

[MAINEiac4434]

Yes, that's what happened in New York. It's why AOC won. The people liked her policies more than Crowley, despite how much money and endorsements he had. They liked it so much better that they sent him packing to the tune of a 15-point defeat.

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What is AOC's work-style? You don't think she mixes drinks the way Maxine will like them?

Yes, gun-grabbing straight-talking Cuba-loving ICE-abolishing Maxine Waters is too centrist for AOC. She's been a boogeyman for the right (see: this absurdly racist article from 2000) and basically the template for urban lefty for nearly two decades, and was even endorsed by the DSA in 1996.

Also, evidence for your assertion that the only person she likes in Congress is Bernie please.

I feel like I am through the looking glass here. I've seen more liberal bellyaching about AOC over the last five weeks than literally anyone else. The only thing I have to compare it to is the early spring of 2016 when twitter libs were freaking out about Bernie Sanders when he still had a shot at winning the nomination before New York came and destroyed those dreams.

Being gracious after winning can take you a long way, but everyone has their own personal style and they are entitled to it.

Maxine Waters endorsed and supported Hillary Clinton. That is a big no no for AOC types and all they need to claim someone is too corporate or too centrist.

Dude, I worked for Hillary. In the primary! Against Bernie! No one cares about Hillary anymore except for the 10% of Americans who actually like her.

And that's it?

That's all you have?

[Jeppe]

Cynthia Nixon was a Clinton supporter in the 2016 primary, but that didn’t stop AOC from embracing Nixon before she won her primary. Purity tests based on who supported who in the 2016 primaries aren’t productive.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

EDIT: Patrick Murphy (yes, that one) has apparently endorsed Welder, which seems very un-Murphy-like. So have Jason Kander, Jamie Raskin, Mark Pocan, Bruce Braley and former KS Dems chair Lee Kinch. Weird establishment/progressive insurgent crossover support here.

It's almost as if the narrative of fight-to-the-death conflict between the Establishment and the Progressive wing is (and has been) massively overblown.

For the record, as someone who isn't particularly fond of candidates who willingly identify themselves as Berniecrats, I have no problem with AOC and Sanders stumping nationwide for Progressive candidates. I'm skeptical it will pay off in this district but it's in their strategic interest and I applaud them for it.