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« on: July 16, 2018, 08:02:51 PM »

As unthinkable as that is, is there any historical precedent to Trump’s betrayal today?
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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2018, 08:14:41 PM »
« Edited: July 16, 2018, 08:23:58 PM by Yellowhammer »

Russia is not a true enemy, as much as democrats and neocons wish it was. A competitor? Yes. An enemy? No.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2018, 08:33:25 PM »

John Tyler, James Buchanan, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan. Happens all the time.
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2018, 08:33:59 PM »

Sure. Pretty much all the other times Trump said the exact same thing. There's nothing special about this one in particular.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2018, 08:36:50 PM »

John Tyler, James Buchanan, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan. Happens all the time.
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2018, 08:41:26 PM »

John Tyler, James Buchanan, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan. Happens all the time.

When?
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2018, 08:41:57 PM »

Russia is not a true enemy, as much as democrats and neocons wish it was. A competitor? Yes. An enemy? No.

I have to laugh
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2018, 08:42:15 PM »

John Tyler, James Buchanan, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan. Happens all the time.


If you think Reagan was a traitor than you are a total moron who believes in Conspiracies.
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2018, 08:44:23 PM »

John Tyler, James Buchanan, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan. Happens all the time.

When?

John Tyler joined the Confederacy

and Buchanan own VP armed the Confederacy and then became the Confederated Secretary of War.



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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2018, 08:48:14 PM »
« Edited: July 16, 2018, 08:55:00 PM by Yellowhammer »

Russia is not a true enemy, as much as democrats and neocons wish it was. A competitor? Yes. An enemy? No.

I have to laugh
Please, tell me exactly how Russia is a direct enemy of the United States.
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2018, 08:48:56 PM »

Republicans are just hoping that Putin has a plan to stuff the ballot boxes in November to secure Republicans 60 Senate seats and 350 House seats. Winning!!!!!!

Sarcasm aside, Trump is a unique brand of really terrible President.
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2018, 08:50:20 PM »

Closest comparison that comes to mind is with a Vice President, Aaron Burr, and that was after he was out of office.
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2018, 08:55:19 PM »

John Tyler, James Buchanan, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan. Happens all the time.


If you think Reagan was a traitor than you are a total moron who believes in Conspiracies.

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2018, 08:55:47 PM »

Obama was good friends with a terrorist sympathizer and went to an anti-American church for 20 years...does this count for anything?
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2018, 08:56:51 PM »

Obama was good friends with a terrorist sympathizer and went to an anti-American church for 20 years...does this count for anything?

Wrong.
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2018, 08:57:51 PM »

Obama was good friends with a terrorist sympathizer and went to an anti-American church for 20 years...does this count for anything?
Have you just travelled to 2018 from 10 years ago?
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2018, 09:01:01 PM »

Obama was good friends with a terrorist sympathizer and went to an anti-American church for 20 years...does this count for anything?
Have you just travelled to 2018 from 10 years ago?

Always good to remember that, despite the fact he is (correctly) viewed as one of the more reasonable Republicans now, John McCain played a major role in the initial opening of the Pandora's Box that gave us our current politics when he picked Palin as his running mate.
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2018, 09:30:38 PM »

Russia is not a true enemy, as much as democrats and neocons wish it was. A competitor? Yes. An enemy? No.

Lol this is just pathetic.

Your own party’s nominee in 2012 said that Russia is the biggest geopolitical threat.

The lengths to which the #MAGA cult of deplorables will go to protect their treasonous tyrant is deeply appalling but not surprising in the least.
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2018, 09:41:30 PM »

Obama was good friends with a terrorist sympathizer and went to an anti-American church for 20 years...does this count for anything?

Well, yes, that's true.  Jeremiah Wright is a Walking Abscess; a breathing pool of anti-Jewish Pond Scum that does little to mask his hatred of white Americans, and of America as a nation.  "God DAMN America!"  That's a Jeremiah Wright quote, and it's not taken out of context; it's representative of what he thinks.

But in terms of being a potential harm to me, and to my country, Jeremiah Wright is a mere pimple on the posterior compared to Putin.  Annoying that he may be, Jeremiah Wright isn't armed with nuclear weapons.  And while Vladamir Putin hasn't aimed his weapons at us, he HAS used them in conflicts knowing that his actions opposed our own defined interests (e. g. Syria).

To want better relations with Russia is a good thing.  But not at any price.  And even if, indeed, our intelligence community is to blame for part of our current difficulties in our relations with Russia, Trump actually saying it in a joint statement with Putin represents the part of today's events that was "too much of a price".  He didn't have to say that.  But he did, and that wasn't good at all.

If Trump said it because he "wanted a deal", he ended up looking weak, as if Putin had played him, and I think he's got to know that.  If he said that because of his political difficulties, he made his situation worse.  People don't believe Putin had nothing to do with the hacking, and while there is no evidence that any of this changed the outcome, it's something that Presidents are expected to show outrage over.

Now there are Chicken Littles galore, and I'm not convinced that this is the kind of catastrophe people are making it out to be.  But it looks bad, and that fact makes it bad; perceptions are reality at this level.  I will say this; if REPUBLICANS think this is THAT BAD, they need to resign their offices, and they need to call for Trump's resignation.  Immediately.  Given how much Republicans would love to be rid of Trump, that shouldn't be a big deal to do if this thing is as bad as even some Republicans say it is.
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2018, 09:42:21 PM »

See US-Saudi relations.
See our recent support of Al Qaeda in Syria.
This really isn't hard. No need to go back very far.
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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2018, 09:49:27 PM »

Andrew Johnson dismantling as much of reconstruction as he could comes to mind.
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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2018, 09:53:32 PM »

Trump is literally worse than Benedict Arnold.
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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2018, 09:54:49 PM »

See US-Saudi relations.
See our recent support of Al Qaeda in Syria.
This really isn't hard. No need to go back very far.

To be fair, none of these nations are as powerful as the Russian Federation.
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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2018, 09:59:54 PM »

See US-Saudi relations.
See our recent support of Al Qaeda in Syria.
This really isn't hard. No need to go back very far.

To be fair, none of these nations are as powerful as the Russian Federation.

Saudi Arabia has a bigger military budget than Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2018, 10:10:59 PM »

Russia is not a true enemy, as much as democrats and neocons wish it was. A competitor? Yes. An enemy? No.

I have to laugh
Please, tell me exactly how Russia is a direct enemy of the United States.

     It isn't, and the utterly facile nature of the responses here demonstrates that the opposition doesn't have a leg to stand on. Russia is not an enemy of the United States for Constitutional purposes. They are certainly not friends of ours and I am concerned by Trump's dismissal of concerns about them, but that does not make them an enemy.
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