NY-AG Race: Battle for Democratic Party soul?

[Virginiá]

Just what do you claim are the perimeters of this fight  for the soul of the New York Democratic Party.

As an outsider I set out my view of that soul. I am sure you do not like,my view.  Tell me your view.

Tell me how you pay for Bernie care.

Explain your views of open borders.

Do you really believe in the government owning businesses.  Will you have the government own Wal-mart?  What about internet related companies? What about Amazon?
 
Do you think the socially liberal corporate leaders of your party would agree to the government owning businesses?

Just what should constitute the soul of the Democrat Party?

Why is the right to terminate life such a part of that soul?

It's baffling how you insist every democrat supports positions that they clearly don't.

Yankee is like your typical conservative talk radio listener. He exaggerates things the same way they do. He might even be up there with Reaganfan as an unusually accurate representation of the average Republican partisan, although he may represent a different faction than RF.

[Arkansas Yankee]

I am not the one who started this discussion.

Are what Sanders, Nix,  and Ocasio-Cortez arguing for the future of the Party as your National Chairman has said.  If so, explain their program.

Progressive said this race was a fight over the soul of the party.  If so what is the fight over.  Who are you for.

[YE]

Just what do you claim are the perimeters of this fight  for the soul of the New York Democratic Party.

As an outsider I set out my view of that soul. I am sure you do not like,my view.  Tell me your view.

Tell me how you pay for Bernie care.

Explain your views of open borders.

Do you really believe in the government owning businesses.  Will you have the government own Wal-mart?  What about internet related companies? What about Amazon?
 
Do you think the socially liberal corporate leaders of your party would agree to the government owning businesses?

Just what should constitute the soul of the Democratic Party?

Why is the right to terminate life such a part of that soul?

I don't support any of those things outside of single payer health care that'd be funded by payroll taxes and the saving come from lower drug prices and no incentive for insurance companies to make profit). Open borders was and would be a disaster, government should not own every business there is, and I'm against euthanasia.

As for this Democratic party fight, it's a showdown establishment Clinton-style politics vs anti-establishment populist win who are more left economically and to a lesser extent socially (though for special interest reasons it's easier for the more establishment wing to move left on social issues than economic ones).

[Arkansas Yankee]

Just what do you claim are the perimeters of this fight  for the soul of the New York Democratic Party.

As an outsider I set out my view of that soul. I am sure you do not like,my view.  Tell me your view.

Tell me how you pay for Bernie care.

Explain your views of open borders.

Do you really believe in the government owning businesses.  Will you have the government own Wal-mart?  What about internet related companies? What about Amazon?
 
Do you think the socially liberal corporate leaders of your party would agree to the government owning businesses?

Just what should constitute the soul of the Democrat Party?

Why is the right to terminate life such a part of that soul?

It's baffling how you insist every democrat supports positions that they clearly don't.

Yankee is like your typical conservative talk radio listener. He exaggerates things the same way they do. He might even be up there with Reaganfan as an unusually accurate representation of the average Republican partisan, although he may represent a different faction than RF.

What did I exaggerate.  I do not know what Ocasio-Cortez advocates in the way of ownership.

Just so you know Senator Kaine opposes Berniecare.

[Maxwell]

but yeah I would be shocked if James didn't win this, even if she sucks.

Maloney is a joke and yet somehow seems to be pretty safe in his own congressional district. I would be surprised if he did any better than third. I haven't heard a lot about Eve but being a "biden and clinton aide" and trying to run as an outsider is very humorous.

I'm kind of thinking this race will be between James and Teachout, with James probably winning anywhere between mid single digits and mid-high double digits with the rest further behind. Teachout is good and cool but also I don't think of her as qualified for AG and I think a lot of people think the same way.

This being categorized as a battle for the Democratic party soul is humorous - it reads more like the internal battles that are more specific to New York state.

[Arkansas Yankee]

Just what do you claim are the perimeters of this fight  for the soul of the New York Democratic Party.

As an outsider I set out my view of that soul. I am sure you do not like,my view.  Tell me your view.

Tell me how you pay for Bernie care.

Explain your views of open borders.

Do you really believe in the government owning businesses.  Will you have the government own Wal-mart?  What about internet related companies? What about Amazon?
 
Do you think the socially liberal corporate leaders of your party would agree to the government owning businesses?

Just what should constitute the soul of the Democratic Party?

Why is the right to terminate life such a part of that soul?

I don't support any of those things outside of single payer health care that'd be funded by payroll taxes and the saving come from lower drug prices and no incentive for insurance companies to make profit). Open borders was and would be a disaster, government should not own every business there is, and I'm against euthanasia.

As for this Democratic party fight, it's a showdown establishment Clinton-style politics vs anti-establishment populist win who are more left economically and to a lesser extent socially (though for special interest reasons it's easier for the more establishment wing to move left on social issues than economic ones).

So you disagree with Ocasio-Cortez on everything except health care?

Do you really think the Ocasio-Cortez economicprogram can sell in the Midwest and South? Sen Duckworth thinks not.

Ocasio-Cortez is for open borders.

I do not think the tax program for single payer will work out as easy-ally as  you think.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Just what do you claim are the perimeters of this fight  for the soul of the New York Democratic Party.

As an outsider I set out my view of that soul. I am sure you do not like,my view.  Tell me your view.

Tell me how you pay for Bernie care.

Explain your views of open borders.

Do you really believe in the government owning businesses.  Will you have the government own Wal-mart?  What about internet related companies? What about Amazon?
 
Do you think the socially liberal corporate leaders of your party would agree to the government owning businesses?

Just what should constitute the soul of the Democratic Party?

Why is the right to terminate life such a part of that soul?

I don't support any of those things outside of single payer health care that'd be funded by payroll taxes and the saving come from lower drug prices and no incentive for insurance companies to make profit). Open borders was and would be a disaster, government should not own every business there is, and I'm against euthanasia.

As for this Democratic party fight, it's a showdown establishment Clinton-style politics vs anti-establishment populist win who are more left economically and to a lesser extent socially (though for special interest reasons it's easier for the more establishment wing to move left on social issues than economic ones).

So you disagree with Ocasio-Cortez on everything except health care?

Do you really think the Ocasio-Cortez economicprogram can sell in the Midwest and South? Sen Duckworth thinks not.

Ocasio-Cortez is for open borders.

I do not think the tax program for single payer will work out as easy-ally as  you think.

Oscacio-Cortez is a congressional candidate in the bronx, not the leader of the Democratic party.

[YE]

Just what do you claim are the perimeters of this fight  for the soul of the New York Democratic Party.

As an outsider I set out my view of that soul. I am sure you do not like,my view.  Tell me your view.

Tell me how you pay for Bernie care.

Explain your views of open borders.

Do you really believe in the government owning businesses.  Will you have the government own Wal-mart?  What about internet related companies? What about Amazon?
 
Do you think the socially liberal corporate leaders of your party would agree to the government owning businesses?

Just what should constitute the soul of the Democratic Party?

Why is the right to terminate life such a part of that soul?

I don't support any of those things outside of single payer health care that'd be funded by payroll taxes and the saving come from lower drug prices and no incentive for insurance companies to make profit). Open borders was and would be a disaster, government should not own every business there is, and I'm against euthanasia.

As for this Democratic party fight, it's a showdown establishment Clinton-style politics vs anti-establishment populist win who are more left economically and to a lesser extent socially (though for special interest reasons it's easier for the more establishment wing to move left on social issues than economic ones).

So you disagree with Ocasio-Cortez on everything except health care?

Do you really think the Ocasio-Cortez economicprogram can sell in the Midwest and South? Sen Duckworth thinks not.

Ocasio-Cortez is for open borders.

I do not think the tax program for single payer will work out as easy-ally as  you think.

I don't agree with Ocasio-Cortez on everything, but I do agree with her on health care, free college, raising the minimum wages, probably unions, and I am personally somewhat conflicted on a job guarantee. Most of those issues play well in the midwest. Dems don't really have much of a chance in the South in the next cycle or two, outside of blueing suburbs. However, I should point about that abolishing ICE isn't open borders (though many people think it does and overall, abolishing ICE doesn't sell well in the public).

[KingSweden]

Just what do you claim are the perimeters of this fight  for the soul of the New York Democratic Party.

As an outsider I set out my view of that soul. I am sure you do not like,my view.  Tell me your view.

Tell me how you pay for Bernie care.

Explain your views of open borders.

Do you really believe in the government owning businesses.  Will you have the government own Wal-mart?  What about internet related companies? What about Amazon?
 
Do you think the socially liberal corporate leaders of your party would agree to the government owning businesses?

Just what should constitute the soul of the Democratic Party?

Why is the right to terminate life such a part of that soul?

I don't support any of those things outside of single payer health care that'd be funded by payroll taxes and the saving come from lower drug prices and no incentive for insurance companies to make profit). Open borders was and would be a disaster, government should not own every business there is, and I'm against euthanasia.

As for this Democratic party fight, it's a showdown establishment Clinton-style politics vs anti-establishment populist win who are more left economically and to a lesser extent socially (though for special interest reasons it's easier for the more establishment wing to move left on social issues than economic ones).

So you disagree with Ocasio-Cortez on everything except health care?

Do you really think the Ocasio-Cortez economicprogram can sell in the Midwest and South? Sen Duckworth thinks not.

Ocasio-Cortez is for open borders.

I do not think the tax program for single payer will work out as easy-ally as  you think.

Oscacio-Cortez is a congressional candidate in the bronx, not the leader of the Democratic party.

Yeah, this. Arkansas Yankee you have a weird fascination with her, she’s one candidate in one district.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Even Ocasio says we need border security

[America Needs R'hllor]

but yeah I would be shocked if James didn't win this, even if she sucks.

Maloney is a joke and yet somehow seems to be pretty safe in his own congressional district. I would be surprised if he did any better than third. I haven't heard a lot about Eve but being a "biden and clinton aide" and trying to run as an outsider is very humorous.

I'm kind of thinking this race will be between James and Teachout, with James probably winning anywhere between mid single digits and mid-high double digits with the rest further behind. Teachout is good and cool but also I don't think of her as qualified for AG and I think a lot of people think the same way.

This being categorized as a battle for the Democratic party soul is humorous - it reads more like the internal battles that are more specific to New York state.

Why would Maloney have such a low chance? He's a sitting congressman and he has a very big warchest.

[Arkansas Yankee]

Even Ocasio says we need border security

Do you have a link?

[IceSpear]

The Democratic Party has no soul.

It has a socialist soul.  It has an identity politics soul.

I'll take that over the pedophilia that won the GOP's soul.

[Arkansas Yankee]

Just what do you claim are the perimeters of this fight  for the soul of the New York Democratic Party.

As an outsider I set out my view of that soul. I am sure you do not like,my view.  Tell me your view.

Tell me how you pay for Bernie care.

Explain your views of open borders.

Do you really believe in the government owning businesses.  Will you have the government own Wal-mart?  What about internet related companies? What about Amazon?
 
Do you think the socially liberal corporate leaders of your party would agree to the government owning businesses?

Just what should constitute the soul of the Democratic Party?

Why is the right to terminate life such a part of that soul?

I don't support any of those things outside of single payer health care that'd be funded by payroll taxes and the saving come from lower drug prices and no incentive for insurance companies to make profit). Open borders was and would be a disaster, government should not own every business there is, and I'm against euthanasia.

As for this Democratic party fight, it's a showdown establishment Clinton-style politics vs anti-establishment populist win who are more left economically and to a lesser extent socially (though for special interest reasons it's easier for the more establishment wing to move left on social issues than economic ones).

So you disagree with Ocasio-Cortez on everything except health care?

Do you really think the Ocasio-Cortez economicprogram can sell in the Midwest and South? Sen Duckworth thinks not.

Ocasio-Cortez is for open borders.

I do not think the tax program for single payer will work out as easy-ally as  you think.

Oscacio-Cortez is a congressional candidate in the bronx, not the leader of the Democratic party.

Yeah, this. Arkansas Yankee you have a weird fascination with her, she’s one candidate in one district.

I merely follow the trail.  She had over 1,000 requests for press interviews.  Your National Chairma, Perez, called her the “future of the Party.”

[Fuzzy Bear]

The Democratic Party has no soul.

It has a socialist soul.  It has an identity politics soul.

I'll take that over the pedophilia that won the GOP's soul.

That's an out of line comment.

Firstly, Roy Moore was nominated prior to the allegations made.

Secondly, none of the allegations are proven, and only one (albeit the most credible one) involves something that would have been a violation of law.

People are not wrong for questioning unproven allegations made by persons decades after the fact.  Especially when the disclosure occurs at a time that has the potential to make the biggest political splash possible.  If one finds Roy Moore's persona unsavory, that's their perogative, and Moore has not helped himiself in that regard, but Moore hasn't even been charged, let alone convicted, of any offenses, sexual or otherwise.

I did not support Moore for the Senate and I will not defend him.  I will defend the people of Alabama who voted for Moore; they do not, as a group, deserve to be collectively painted with this particular brush.

[Beet]

This Ocasio Cortez woman grew up in a privileged Westchester neighborhood, went to University, and got indoctrinated into socialism before having any real world experience. She has never run a successful business, never created a single job outside of her own campaign, never had to support a family, and is too young to worry about retirement. Her life experience is limited. Yet she has all the solutions - free this, free that. Of course, no plan on how to pay for it. And then when you call them out on it, left wingers point to 'but it works in Scandinavia!' The Scandinavian model was not built in a multicultural paradise.

Edit: The Massachusetts Democrats repeatedly elected a homicidal son of privilege to the Senate for decades, yet they are upset that Alabama Republicans couldn't foresee into the future that accusations of sexual abuse would come out against their candidate, who barely won the primary, and was rejected in the General, undoubtedly because many Republicans didn't turn out.

[BuckeyeNut]

The Democratic Party has no soul.

It has a socialist soul.  It has an identity politics soul.

lets think of some people in your party...

trump, Lee Atwater

trump does racial dog whistling about immigration in almost all of his rally.

atwater used the same strategy to flip southern whites. of course, you could say it wasn't successful I guess, but he attempted

It's best to ignore anything the guy who wanted a pedo in the United States Senate says.

It is easy to be glib, when you do not have an answer.   

I do not feel any guilt for my actions in the Alabama race.  That is especially so in light of leftist hysteria in reaction to Judge Kennedy’s resignation.

That's because you're an entirely immoral person who pretends the immorality of others excuses his own. You'd go canvassing for a cannibal if he yelled Chappaquiddick at his rallies.

You're a troll. You feel good empowering a child rapist because it makes people whose politics you dislike upset. How empty inside can someone be?

If everyone was like you the Democratic nominee would run on a platform of killing girls in car crashes to deliberately trigger the conservatives.

This is the best smackdown I've ever seen on Atlas. And you don't even have 60 posts. Well done.

[Pyro]

How did this NY-AG thread turn into a discussion on AOC and Roy Moore?

On the topic at hand, while this race could prove to be incredibly important and carry with it a signal for the party's future, the more-than-likely scenario is that Letitia James cruises to victory on the heels of the state party's endorsement. Things could certainly change in time, but the chance for a Teachout win remain slim as ever.

[Yellowhammer]

The Democratic Party has no soul.

It has a socialist soul.  It has an identity politics soul.

I'll take that over the pedophilia that won the GOP's soul.

That's an out of line comment.

Firstly, Roy Moore was nominated prior to the allegations made.

Secondly, none of the allegations are proven, and only one (albeit the most credible one) involves something that would have been a violation of law.

People are not wrong for questioning unproven allegations made by persons decades after the fact.  Especially when the disclosure occurs at a time that has the potential to make the biggest political splash possible.  If one finds Roy Moore's persona unsavory, that's their perogative, and Moore has not helped himiself in that regard, but Moore hasn't even been charged, let alone convicted, of any offenses, sexual or otherwise.

I did not support Moore for the Senate and I will not defend him.  I will defend the people of Alabama who voted for Moore; they do not, as a group, deserve to be collectively painted with this particular brush.

Well said.
If the allegations had come out before the primary, he wouldn't have come close to being nominated.
I voted for Moore in the primary & general, but it was probably better for the GOP in the long run for him to lose.

[_]

The Democratic Party has no soul.

It has a socialist soul.  It has an identity politics soul.

I'll take that over the pedophilia that won the GOP's soul.

Pedophilia AND putting immigrant children in cages

[America Needs R'hllor]

How did this NY-AG thread turn into a discussion on AOC and Roy Moore?

On the topic at hand, while this race could prove to be incredibly important and carry with it a signal for the party's future, the more-than-likely scenario is that Letitia James cruises to victory on the heels of the state party's endorsement. Things could certainly change in time, but the chance for a Teachout win remain slim as ever.

Have we seen any polls? I mean, I get the """outsider""" aide not having any chance, but why would a NYC Public Advocate have such a big advantage over a sitting congressman with a lot more money?

[Maxwell]

but yeah I would be shocked if James didn't win this, even if she sucks.

Maloney is a joke and yet somehow seems to be pretty safe in his own congressional district. I would be surprised if he did any better than third. I haven't heard a lot about Eve but being a "biden and clinton aide" and trying to run as an outsider is very humorous.

I'm kind of thinking this race will be between James and Teachout, with James probably winning anywhere between mid single digits and mid-high double digits with the rest further behind. Teachout is good and cool but also I don't think of her as qualified for AG and I think a lot of people think the same way.

This being categorized as a battle for the Democratic party soul is humorous - it reads more like the internal battles that are more specific to New York state.

Why would Maloney have such a low chance? He's a sitting congressman and he has a very big warchest.

He has no base and no charisma. He ran before for Attorney General and lost badly.

[Pyro]

How did this NY-AG thread turn into a discussion on AOC and Roy Moore?

On the topic at hand, while this race could prove to be incredibly important and carry with it a signal for the party's future, the more-than-likely scenario is that Letitia James cruises to victory on the heels of the state party's endorsement. Things could certainly change in time, but the chance for a Teachout win remain slim as ever.

Have we seen any polls? I mean, I get the """outsider""" aide not having any chance, but why would a NYC Public Advocate have such a big advantage over a sitting congressman with a lot more money?

There was a Siena College Poll last month that showed an early lead for James, albeit with a large # of Undecides. This was before Sean Maloney got in the race, but I'm not so sure that he'll garner much momentum.

[Fuzzy Bear]

The Democratic Party has no soul.

It has a socialist soul.  It has an identity politics soul.

lets think of some people in your party...

trump, Lee Atwater

trump does racial dog whistling about immigration in almost all of his rally.

atwater used the same strategy to flip southern whites. of course, you could say it wasn't successful I guess, but he attempted

It's best to ignore anything the guy who wanted a pedo in the United States Senate says.

It is easy to be glib, when you do not have an answer.   

I do not feel any guilt for my actions in the Alabama race.  That is especially so in light of leftist hysteria in reaction to Judge Kennedy’s resignation.

That's because you're an entirely immoral person who pretends the immorality of others excuses his own. You'd go canvassing for a cannibal if he yelled Chappaquiddick at his rallies.

You're a troll. You feel good empowering a child rapist because it makes people whose politics you dislike upset. How empty inside can someone be?

If everyone was like you the Democratic nominee would run on a platform of killing girls in car crashes to deliberately trigger the conservatives.

You are unable to answer my comments.  But you engage in invective.

I know you will probably claim innocence and youth.  But your whole party for 40 years supported a man who left a young girl to die grizzly death, tried to cover it up, and got special treatment from the law.  The same man helped his nephew tear apart the reputation of a lady who claimed the nephew raped her.   Then you supported Bill & Hillary and there terrible history of abusing their offices and position.  You can take your moral superiority and shove it where the sun does not shine. The damage Kennedy and Clinton did to the nation and their numerous victims far surpasses any damage Moore did.

The man does have a point here.

[cinyc]

How did this NY-AG thread turn into a discussion on AOC and Roy Moore?

On the topic at hand, while this race could prove to be incredibly important and carry with it a signal for the party's future, the more-than-likely scenario is that Letitia James cruises to victory on the heels of the state party's endorsement. Things could certainly change in time, but the chance for a Teachout win remain slim as ever.

Have we seen any polls? I mean, I get the """outsider""" aide not having any chance, but why would a NYC Public Advocate have such a big advantage over a sitting congressman with a lot more money?

Over half of Democratic primary voters are in New York City. Many have probably heard of Leticia James. Sean Patrick Maloney represents a CD on the fringes of the NYC media market, and probably isn't very well known in NYC or outside of his CD, which is a theoretical swing seat with fewer registered Democrats than every borough but Staten Island (and there are more registered Dems in the SI CD-11, which includes part of Brooklyn than Maloney's NY-18). Representing over half of the state's registered Dems (albeit in a useless position that has no power and shouldn't even exist) > representing 1/27th of the state (and probably 1/35th or less of the state's registered Democrats).  

Plus, I don't think it's clear Maloney can use his Congressional war chest in a state race, anyway.