Will America survive Trump?

[pbrower2a]

America will survive BECAUSE of Trump.

The Fourth Reich.

A "Fourth Reich" will do one thing the Third Reich did -- get too many enemies at once and end up defeated by them. America might survive, even if those who got America into wars for profit that end with those intended for slavery or serfdom fight back and eventually defeat it -- impose a new constitutional order that will make a resurgence of the militarist, classist, and racist ideology impossible.

No -- America will survive Trump; the Roman Empire, a decrepit entity from its inception, survived Nero, Caligula, and Commodus. After this nightmare we will want to change things so that we never get a leader like him again. Imperial Rome lasted until it ran out of resources.

We might end up with a Westminster-style Parliament which has well served the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. We might keep our federal system as it is, except for fortifying the liberal constraints against economic power in politics through constitutional amendments, as is so in Germany.  

President Trump engenders mass contempt as no other President has done. He is a sick joke easy to pillory in the mass media. It's telling that the most effective analysis of news is comedy -- because silly ideas fail the laugh test. One couldn't laugh at Barack Obama even if he has a  good sense of humor and can crack a joke convincingly. One can laugh with him, and not so easily at him -- unless the joke gets mean-spirited. With Trump one can laugh at him... until he does something that hurts people.

...If Trump wanted to be President, then why didn't he have a collection of quotes from Lincoln?

[here2view]

Yes, of course. The founding fathers gave is a strong constitution and a republic that survived two Independence wars, a civil war, a great depression between two world wars, a cold war, Watergate, 9/11 and a major recession. We'll survive the orange clown as well. But his devastating legacy will haunt us for a very long time and last much beyond his tenure in office.

[longtimelurker]

America will survive BECAUSE of Trump.

The Fourth Reich.

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No -- America will survive Trump; the Roman Empire, a decrepit entity from its inception, survived Nero, Caligula, and Commodus. After this nightmare we will want to change things so that we never get a leader like him again. Imperial Rome lasted until it ran out of resources.

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Historians hundreds of years from now will consider the USA a "decrepit entity from its inception" because of slavery.  They will consider its demise to have been inevitable.

[HillGoose]

yes lmao why wouldn't it?

[7,052,770]

We'll "survive" but we'll never be the same again.

[Sumner 1868]

No nation in existence will survive both climate change and the coming "antibiotic resistance" plague.

[Free Bird]

You people are fycking hysterical

[Sumner 1868]

You people are fycking hysterical

The DRUMPF IS THE END crowd maybe but I think my points are valid.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The immigration issue is the issue that hurts Latinos the most with this center right Crt, no amnesty. So, yes, it will survive Trump. Just like the Crt ruled in favor or a travel ban

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

Will the country still exist? Yes. Will our system of government be recognizable compared to what it was before Trump was elected? That's a lot less certain. My greatest fear with Trump has always been, and continues to be, that he will try to establish an illiberal democracy like what Orban has done in Hungary or Putin has done in Russia - where they still have elections, but the government abuses its authority to make sure those elections are no longer free or fair. If he's still president in 2020 (likely, given how the Republican party is becoming more of a cult every day) I would be stunned if he doesn't try to order an unfounded criminal investigation into the Democratic nominee.

[136or142]

You people are fycking hysterical

I think the people who are afraid of immigrants, legal or illegal are the real hysterical ones.

[136or142]

America will survive BECAUSE of Trump.

The Fourth Reich.

A "Fourth Reich" will do one thing the Third Reich did -- get too many enemies at once and end up defeated by them. America might survive, even if those who got America into wars for profit that end with those intended for slavery or serfdom fight back and eventually defeat it -- impose a new constitutional order that will make a resurgence of the militarist, classist, and racist ideology impossible.

No -- America will survive Trump; the Roman Empire, a decrepit entity from its inception, survived Nero, Caligula, and Commodus. After this nightmare we will want to change things so that we never get a leader like him again. Imperial Rome lasted until it ran out of resources.

We might end up with a Westminster-style Parliament which has well served the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. We might keep our federal system as it is, except for fortifying the liberal constraints against economic power in politics through constitutional amendments, as is so in Germany.  

President Trump engenders mass contempt as no other President has done. He is a sick joke easy to pillory in the mass media. It's telling that the most effective analysis of news is comedy -- because silly ideas fail the laugh test. One couldn't laugh at Barack Obama even if he has a  good sense of humor and can crack a joke convincingly. One can laugh with him, and not so easily at him -- unless the joke gets mean-spirited. With Trump one can laugh at him... until he does something that hurts people.

...If Trump wanted to be President, then why didn't he have a collection of quotes from Lincoln?

1.I think you are being overly optimistic and I actually disagree with you.  When the wealthy and powerful conservatives have all the leavers to effectively turn the United States into a defacto authoritarian conservative dictatorship, I don't see any way the United States overturns that short of the U.S military (which would never overthrow an American government.)

2.However, I was being deliberately provocative in referring to this as 'the Fourth Reich' to see if I got any responses against that.  It has always bothered me that, especially at the height of the Cold War, the so-called liberal media would never say anything like that, but had no problem with idiotic references to places like Massachusetts as 'the People's Republic of Massachusetts.'

So, whenever I see some idiot journalist (Stu Rothenberg for instance) casually laugh about "a People's Republic" I always reply along the lines of "You mean as opposed to the Fourth Reich of Oklahoma (or Kansas...)?"

[Dr. MB]

Yes, and anyone who says otherwise is either incredibly pessimistic or out of their damn minds.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Yes, and anyone who says otherwise is either incredibly pessimistic or out of their damn minds.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

If they pretend that this doesn't affect gerrymandering, they have their head in sand. The Dems had the opportunity to win House control and cement the lines for 10+ years, but that's hard to imagine now with this vacancy.
But, raising taxes and amnesty isnt what voters want either

[forgotten manatee]

America will survive King Fartbag.

[Inmate Trump]

We will survive but this is a giant leap back. All progress made over at least the last decade or two will have to be remade.  And there will be no significant scientific or cultural advances until there is an administration committed to such. Trump would be happy if we returned to the America of the 60s or earlier. There is no forward thinking with the GOP as it is today.

[forgotten manatee]

We will survive but this is a giant leap back. All progress made over at least the last decade or two will have to be remade.  And there will be no significant scientific or cultural advances until there is an administration committed to such. Trump would be happy if we returned to the America of the 60s or earlier. There is no forward thinking with the GOP as it is today.

Sometimes I comfort myself thinking of Wilson and the League of Nations. The Republicans wanted nothing to do with it and won the day in the late 1910s, but in the end we wound up leading the United Nations about 20 years later. Perhaps Obama similarly was at the vanguard of a progressive era, and the next Democratic president will take us further than he was able.

[RFayette]

We will survive but this is a giant leap back. All progress made over at least the last decade or two will have to be remade.  And there will be no significant scientific or cultural advances until there is an administration committed to such. Trump would be happy if we returned to the America of the 60s or earlier. There is no forward thinking with the GOP as it is today.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-03700-9

[wesmoorenerd]

We will survive but this is a giant leap back. All progress made over at least the last decade or two will have to be remade.  And there will be no significant scientific or cultural advances until there is an administration committed to such. Trump would be happy if we returned to the America of the 60s or earlier. There is no forward thinking with the GOP as it is today.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/03/updated-us-spending-deal-contains-largest-research-spending-increase-decade

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/what-s-trump-s-2018-budget-request-science

Mate, according to that very article Trump proposed cutting the budgets of a good number of those organizations. Either way, it's undeniable that Trump's climate change denying GOP is anti-science.

[RFayette]

We will survive but this is a giant leap back. All progress made over at least the last decade or two will have to be remade.  And there will be no significant scientific or cultural advances until there is an administration committed to such. Trump would be happy if we returned to the America of the 60s or earlier. There is no forward thinking with the GOP as it is today.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/03/updated-us-spending-deal-contains-largest-research-spending-increase-decade

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/what-s-trump-s-2018-budget-request-science

Mate, according to that very article Trump proposed cutting the budgets of a good number of those organizations. Either way, it's undeniable that Trump's climate change denying GOP is anti-science.

That's not the point.  GWBFan's contention was that scientific advancements wouldn't happen under a Republican administration, presumably due to lack of research funding; instead, we saw very significant funding increases.  Whether Trump wanted it or not is irrelevant.   Presidential budgets always start off as a baseline for negotiation but they are almost never passed as-is, either under Democratic or Republican Presidents. 

[Comrade Funk]

Of course America will survive.  It Can't Happen Here.

It's happening right now. Just because there aren't literal stormtroopers doesn't mean it's not happening.

[136or142]

Of course America will survive.  It Can't Happen Here.

It's happening right now. Just because there aren't literal stormtroopers doesn't mean it's not happening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_Here

It Can't Happen Here is a semi-satirical 1935 political novel by American author Sinclair Lewis,[1] and a 1936 play adapted from the novel by Lewis and John C. Moffitt.[2]

Published during the rise of fascism in Europe, the novel describes the rise of Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, a politician who defeats Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) and is elected President of the United States, after fomenting fear and promising drastic economic and social reforms while promoting a return to patriotism and "traditional" values. After his election, Windrip takes complete control of the government and imposes a plutocratic/totalitarian rule with the help of a ruthless paramilitary force, in the manner of Adolf Hitler and the SS

[pbrower2a]

Of course America will survive.  It Can't Happen Here.

It's happening right now. Just because there aren't literal stormtroopers doesn't mean it's not happening.

True. Pinochet did not need storm troopers.

[Alabama_Indy10]

America will survive BECAUSE of Trump.

The Fourth Reich.

A "Fourth Reich" will do one thing the Third Reich did -- get too many enemies at once and end up defeated by them. America might survive, even if those who got America into wars for profit that end with those intended for slavery or serfdom fight back and eventually defeat it -- impose a new constitutional order that will make a resurgence of the militarist, classist, and racist ideology impossible.

No -- America will survive Trump; the Roman Empire, a decrepit entity from its inception, survived Nero, Caligula, and Commodus. After this nightmare we will want to change things so that we never get a leader like him again. Imperial Rome lasted until it ran out of resources.

We might end up with a Westminster-style Parliament which has well served the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. We might keep our federal system as it is, except for fortifying the liberal constraints against economic power in politics through constitutional amendments, as is so in Germany.  

President Trump engenders mass contempt as no other President has done. He is a sick joke easy to pillory in the mass media. It's telling that the most effective analysis of news is comedy -- because silly ideas fail the laugh test. One couldn't laugh at Barack Obama even if he has a  good sense of humor and can crack a joke convincingly. One can laugh with him, and not so easily at him -- unless the joke gets mean-spirited. With Trump one can laugh at him... until he does something that hurts people.

...If Trump wanted to be President, then why didn't he have a collection of quotes from Lincoln?

1.I think you are being overly optimistic and I actually disagree with you.  When the wealthy and powerful conservatives have all the leavers to effectively turn the United States into a defacto authoritarian conservative dictatorship, I don't see any way the United States overturns that short of the U.S military (which would never overthrow an American government.)

2.However, I was being deliberately provocative in referring to this as 'the Fourth Reich' to see if I got any responses against that.  It has always bothered me that, especially at the height of the Cold War, the so-called liberal media would never say anything like that, but had no problem with idiotic references to places like Massachusetts as 'the People's Republic of Massachusetts.'

So, whenever I see some idiot journalist (Stu Rothenberg for instance) casually laugh about "a People's Republic" I always reply along the lines of "You mean as opposed to the Fourth Reich of Oklahoma (or Kansas...)?"

And does idiot journalist Stu Rothenberg know (or care) who you are? Does he grace you with a response?