What Was Jimmy Carter's Biggest Shortcoming As President?
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« on: June 23, 2018, 04:03:52 PM »

Go. Why do people generally see him as a failure? Remade the thread because for some damned reason we still can't edit poll options.
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2018, 04:11:53 PM »

He had Tip Freaking O’Neill as his speaker and he couldn’t get anything passed through congress
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2018, 04:17:38 PM »

He had Tip Freaking O’Neill as his speaker and he couldn’t get anything passed through congress

I mean in fairness his ethics/civil service reform was pretty good
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2018, 04:19:43 PM »

Giving in to terrorists in Iran and Rhodesia.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2018, 04:24:34 PM »

I voted for idealism, though really his problem was 'impractical idealism.'  Carter's other major problem was his indecision in that he had the unfortunate ability to appreciate all sides of an argument (or nearly all sides.)

This was especially unhelpful to him in economics as at that time macro economics theory was in flux between Keynesianism and Monetarism.  If even the economics experts were uncertain, what chance did Carter have?

I think 'hubris' is a much better description for President Woodrow Wilson though they certainly both shared impractical idealism.
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2018, 04:59:43 PM »

He was too honest and moral to be a good president.
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2018, 05:01:34 PM »

Aside from the reason laid out by TexasGurl, Carter’s fatal flaw was that he was a micromanager.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2018, 05:52:25 PM »

Giving in to terrorists in Iran and Rhodesia.

Like Reagan did?
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2018, 06:03:03 PM »

BuT ReAgAn mAdE iT MoRnInG In aMeRiCa AgAiN.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2018, 06:43:08 PM »

BuT ReAgAn mAdE iT MoRnInG In aMeRiCa AgAiN.

Psychologically he did, yes. Carter was just a wet blanket.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2018, 06:59:42 PM »

He wasn't a movie star.
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2018, 07:39:05 PM »

Probably just timing. He probably became President during one of the most tumultuous times possible. But most of that tumult came from foreign policy issues, so I voted for that option.
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2018, 08:33:45 PM »

He thought he could reason with the left wing equivalent of the Tea Party that rode in in '74 and came in over-extended and with a massive ego. Turns out Ted, Tip, and the Watergate Babies thought they could make a rubber-stamp President.
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2018, 08:55:30 PM »

Probably just timing. He probably became President during one of the most tumultuous times possible. But most of that tumult came from foreign policy issues, so I voted for that option.

Maybe, especially if you count the gas shortage of 1979/80 as resulting from foreign policy issues, but are you familiar with the 'misery index?'
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2018, 09:02:36 PM »

He thought he could reason with the left wing equivalent of the Tea Party that rode in in '74 and came in over-extended and with a massive ego. Turns out Ted, Tip, and the Watergate Babies thought they could make a rubber-stamp President.


I would not describe the Class of 1974 Dems as you did.  
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2018, 09:26:36 PM »

He sought to bring his Atlanta model to Washington, DC... and it did not work, After that he had no Plan B.
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2018, 09:33:00 PM »

He was elected President at the worst time possible: The economy was slowing down.  The world stage was tumultuous and volatile.  People were losing faith in the political system due to Watergate and a host of other scandals.  American society was wounded due to the culture wars of the 60s and early 70s.  And all of that came crashing down like a house of cards during his Presidency.

As much as I like to rag on Jimmy Carter at times, I do admit I sometimes feel sorry for the man.  I don't envy having to take on the biggest responsibility on Earth at a time like that.
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2018, 10:32:02 PM »

His support of atrocities around the world, including Suharto's invasion of East Timor and the Shah's regime in Iran, in spite of moral posturing over "human rights"
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2018, 11:55:06 PM »

Not getting a second term.
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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2018, 12:26:01 AM »

Couldn't decide between idealism/not pragmatic (basically the same thing) and lack of foreign policy experience.
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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2018, 12:26:14 AM »

As Trump would say "I guarantee you he's small down there.  I guarantee you."
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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2018, 12:28:54 AM »

Couldn't decide between idealism/not pragmatic (basically the same thing) and lack of foreign policy experience.

And then when he did try to be pragmatic, as with the situation in East Timor or with his last minute switch to supporting the Shah, as has been mentioned above, he was completely ham-handed.  In addition to this, when he tried to be 'tough' as with pulling the U.S out of the 1980 Russian Olympics or the banning of selling wheat to Russia,  all he achieved was annoying a lot of Americans.
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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2018, 06:08:13 AM »

Carter never really saw the need to cultivate Congress.  He didn't really have support from the more conservative Democrats, but the liberals saw him as a sell-out when he tilted slightly rightward.  And he was rather stand-offish with Congressional Democrats, when he should have done everything to make them his pals, all of them.  His own Georgia Democratic delegation was amazingly distant from him.

Better Congressional relations would have pre-empted a primary challenge.  I voted for Kennedy in the 1980 Democratic Primary.  I regret that now.  Carter was not deserving of being replaced as the nominee, and I believe, in hindsight, that a second term for Carter may well have pre-empted the permanent tilt of politics toward the wealthiest in our society that is the single worst characteristic of out politics today.
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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2018, 06:50:11 AM »


Two wrongs do not make a right. (Plus, unlike Reagan, Carter had a reliable American ally in the region to support)
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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2018, 07:00:42 AM »

His foreign policy, although not for lack of experience.
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