Italian Elections and Politics 2022 - Our Time to Schlein

[Antonio the Sixth]

omfg I'm dying

trad anime waifu Giorgia-chan. I don't know how to deal with this.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

omfg I'm dying

trad anime waifu Giorgia-chan. I don't know how to deal with this.

Why does this sound like an implicit admission of guilt that you're secretly wishing you were Andrea Giambruno now?

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Also appropriate to bring back this:

> So much a defender of the traditional family that she lives with her partner but they are not married or anything

I was reading about Giorgia Meloni on Wikipedia the other day and this is true of her too. And of course Salvini has been through three domestic partners since divorcing his wife in 2010. Lots of hypocrisy on this one very specific "lifestyle" issue on the Italian hard right.

I mean seriously, it almost seems like all the politicians who are into "Difendere la famiglia tradizionale" hate the actual concept of Christian marriage/family.

[Antonio the Sixth]

omfg I'm dying

trad anime waifu Giorgia-chan. I don't know how to deal with this.

Why does this sound like an implicit admission of guilt that you're secretly wishing you were Andrea Giambruno now?

Nah, you got it mixed up. What I am is an avid anime fan. I have nothing but contempt for Meloni. It's the association of this wonderful, adorable anime aesthetic with such a vile character that I can't handle.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

omfg I'm dying

trad anime waifu Giorgia-chan. I don't know how to deal with this.

Why does this sound like an implicit admission of guilt that you're secretly wishing you were Andrea Giambruno now?

Nah, you got it mixed up. What I am is an avid anime fan. I have nothing but contempt for Meloni. It's the association of this wonderful, adorable anime aesthetic with such a vile character that I can't handle.

Lol. I am not really an anime fan (and I can't bring myself to have contempt for people in general as much as you do) so I can only partially relate.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

WTF I love Meloni now

I guess we just need AfD-kun now and we'd have the full Axis powers back in anime form

Tired: Flawless Beautiful Queen Giorgia

Wired: Flawless Beautiful Tennō Giorgia-chan

Tennō 天皇 is the wrong word to use in this context; it's the (gender-neutral) word specifically for the Japanese emperor. The word for a Western queen is joō 女王.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

WTF I love Meloni now

I guess we just need AfD-kun now and we'd have the full Axis powers back in anime form

Tired: Flawless Beautiful Queen Giorgia

Wired: Flawless Beautiful Tennō Giorgia-chan

Tennō 天皇 is the wrong word to use in this context; it's the (gender-neutral) word specifically for the Japanese emperor. The word for a Western queen is joō 女王.

I purposefully used the word for a Japanese emperor/empress, actually. RL Giorgia may be a Western queen, but anime Giorgia would be the Japanese empress (in my opinion at least).
What I am not sure is right is using the -chan suffix together with it, you may give me elucidations on this.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

WTF I love Meloni now

I guess we just need AfD-kun now and we'd have the full Axis powers back in anime form

Tired: Flawless Beautiful Queen Giorgia

Wired: Flawless Beautiful Tennō Giorgia-chan

Tennō 天皇 is the wrong word to use in this context; it's the (gender-neutral) word specifically for the Japanese emperor. The word for a Western queen is joō 女王.

I purposefully used the word for a Japanese emperor/empress, actually. RL Giorgia may be a Western queen, but anime Giorgia would be the Japanese empress (in my opinion at least).

That makes sense.

What I am not sure is right is using the -chan suffix together with it, you may give me elucidations on this.

No adult member of royalty would ever take the -chan honorific in a million years in real life, but in anime anything is possible.

[Cassius]

As there are six parties in this new government can we christen it as the Sexapartito in honour of the Pentapartito?

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

As there are six parties in this new government can we christen it as the Sexapartito in honour of the Pentapartito?

As there is Berlusconi's party in this new government we can christen it as the Sex-a-partito.



Aaaaanyway, the correct term using Italian prefixes would be Esapartito.

[Cassius]

As there are six parties in this new government can we christen it as the Sexapartito in honour of the Pentapartito?

As there is Berlusconi's party in this new government we can christen it as the Sex-a-partito.



Aaaaanyway, the correct term using Italian prefixes would be Esapartito.

Damn morphology.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

As there are six parties in this new government can we christen it as the Sexapartito in honour of the Pentapartito?

As there is Berlusconi's party in this new government we can christen it as the Sex-a-partito.



Aaaaanyway, the correct term using Italian prefixes would be Esapartito.

Damn morphology.

Maledetta morfologia, you mean.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Journalist and Senator Gianluigi Paragone, who was expelled from M5S a year ago, has decided to go overboard with... I'm not sure how to call his ideology exactly, but he has officially founded a party: Italexit, which is anti-EU, anti-establishment, anti-neoliberal, and 'souverainist'. Actually the party was born months ago, but I have only caught up to it now because lately Paragone is a bit more in the spotlight as one of the few people vocally in opposition to the Draghi government.

I think he is inspiring to Nigel Farage in part, although it is my impression that Farage was much more economically liberal. You could also argue he's going back to the "original values" of M5S that the party has supposedly betrayed, although possibly more radically.

I don't know if his nationalistic socialistic (?) dream has much of a future, nor if it will devolve into being uncomfortably close to that thing which starts with an F, but if it ever gets more traction than having two Senators (there's also ex-M5S Mario Giarrusso), it sounds like a great fit for the mythical "anti-establishment vote".

[Antonio the Sixth]

Journalist and Senator Gianluigi Paragone, who was expelled from M5S a year ago, has decided to go overboard with... I'm not sure how to call his ideology exactly, but he has officially founded a party: Italexit, which is anti-EU, anti-establishment, anti-neoliberal, and 'souverainist'. Actually the party was born months ago, but I have only caught up to it now because lately Paragone is a bit more in the spotlight as one of the few people vocally in opposition to the Draghi government.

I think he is inspiring to Nigel Farage in part, although it is my impression that Farage was much more economically liberal. You could also argue he's going back to the "original values" of M5S that the party has supposedly betrayed, although possibly more radically.

I don't know if his nationalistic socialistic (?) dream has much of a future, nor if it will devolve into being uncomfortably close to that thing which starts with an F, but if it ever gets more traction than having two Senators (there's also ex-M5S Mario Giarrusso), it sounds like a great fit for the mythical "anti-establishment vote".

Paragone used to have a talk show on La7 a few years ago and it was absolute trash. The most bad-faith, uninformed, attention-grabbing drivel that you normally only find on Mediaset channels. I'm glad he's found his calling as a Salvini-lite demagogue, because that's far more suited to his "talents" than journalism.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Journalist and Senator Gianluigi Paragone, who was expelled from M5S a year ago, has decided to go overboard with... I'm not sure how to call his ideology exactly, but he has officially founded a party: Italexit, which is anti-EU, anti-establishment, anti-neoliberal, and 'souverainist'. Actually the party was born months ago, but I have only caught up to it now because lately Paragone is a bit more in the spotlight as one of the few people vocally in opposition to the Draghi government.

I think he is inspiring to Nigel Farage in part, although it is my impression that Farage was much more economically liberal. You could also argue he's going back to the "original values" of M5S that the party has supposedly betrayed, although possibly more radically.

I don't know if his nationalistic socialistic (?) dream has much of a future, nor if it will devolve into being uncomfortably close to that thing which starts with an F, but if it ever gets more traction than having two Senators (there's also ex-M5S Mario Giarrusso), it sounds like a great fit for the mythical "anti-establishment vote".

Paragone used to have a talk show on La7 a few years ago and it was absolute trash. The most bad-faith, uninformed, attention-grabbing drivel that you normally only find on Mediaset channels. I'm glad he's found his calling as a Salvini-lite demagogue, because that's far more suited to his "talents" than journalism.

I know that Paragone had a talk show on LA7, but I never watched it much at all. I usually try to steer away from talk shows. Anyway, I don't think calling him a Salvini-lite is totally correct, he seems more "rhetorically leftist" in a sense than Salvini ever was (in recent times).

[parochial boy]

Journalist and Senator Gianluigi Paragone, who was expelled from M5S a year ago, has decided to go overboard with... I'm not sure how to call his ideology exactly, but he has officially founded a party: Italexit, which is anti-EU, anti-establishment, anti-neoliberal, and 'souverainist'. Actually the party was born months ago, but I have only caught up to it now because lately Paragone is a bit more in the spotlight as one of the few people vocally in opposition to the Draghi government.

Oh my, Michel Onfray says hello

The last thing you guys need is to start importing pretentious French pseudo-inellectual wankery

[Antonio the Sixth]

Journalist and Senator Gianluigi Paragone, who was expelled from M5S a year ago, has decided to go overboard with... I'm not sure how to call his ideology exactly, but he has officially founded a party: Italexit, which is anti-EU, anti-establishment, anti-neoliberal, and 'souverainist'. Actually the party was born months ago, but I have only caught up to it now because lately Paragone is a bit more in the spotlight as one of the few people vocally in opposition to the Draghi government.

Oh my, Michel Onfray says hello

The last thing you guys need is to start importing pretentious French pseudo-inellectual wankery

Oh, don't worry about that. Nobody would think of mistaking Paragone for an intellectual, pseudo or otherwise.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Journalist and Senator Gianluigi Paragone, who was expelled from M5S a year ago, has decided to go overboard with... I'm not sure how to call his ideology exactly, but he has officially founded a party: Italexit, which is anti-EU, anti-establishment, anti-neoliberal, and 'souverainist'. Actually the party was born months ago, but I have only caught up to it now because lately Paragone is a bit more in the spotlight as one of the few people vocally in opposition to the Draghi government.

Oh my, Michel Onfray says hello

The last thing you guys need is to start importing pretentious French pseudo-inellectual wankery

Lmao

I don't think that's a good comparison though. Paragone is pretentious but not at that level - he's not a philosopher for starters - and this Onfray thing of post-anarchism or whatever seems too explicitly to the "left" and too thought out to relate to someone like Paragone.

Partially jinxed by Antonio.

[njwes]

When is M5S going to splinter apart? They don't seem to have a raison d'être anymore other than maybe clinging to power for its own sake, but one would assume their voters might not be fond of that

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

When is M5S going to splinter apart? They don't seem to have a raison d'être anymore other than maybe clinging to power for its own sake, but one would assume their voters might not be fond of that

Not in the foreseeable future, I think.
M5S is a useless party in various ways, but I absolutely think it has its raisons d'être - providing a "non-aligned" option to low-info voters, supporting or at least paying lip service to the South (especially that), scooping up #populist voters who also think Salvini is a fascist, this sort of things.

[Estrella]

Italexit

there's literally "uscITA" ffs

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

When is M5S going to splinter apart? They don't seem to have a raison d'être anymore other than maybe clinging to power for its own sake, but one would assume their voters might not be fond of that

Not in the foreseeable future, I think.
M5S is a useless party in various ways, but I absolutely think it has its raisons d'être - providing a "non-aligned" option to low-info voters, supporting or at least paying lip service to the South (especially that), scooping up #populist voters who also think Salvini is a fascist, this sort of things.

The latter is an incredibly important function on the Italian political scene right now. I don't even want to think about how much support Lega and FdI might be pulling without a non-fash #populist option for people to vote for.

Journalist and Senator Gianluigi Paragone, who was expelled from M5S a year ago, has decided to go overboard with... I'm not sure how to call his ideology exactly, but he has officially founded a party: Italexit, which is anti-EU, anti-establishment, anti-neoliberal, and 'souverainist'. Actually the party was born months ago, but I have only caught up to it now because lately Paragone is a bit more in the spotlight as one of the few people vocally in opposition to the Draghi government.

Oh my, Michel Onfray says hello

The last thing you guys need is to start importing pretentious French pseudo-inellectual wankery

Is this the same Michel Onfray who ten or fifteen years ago tried to present himself as a sort of Continental Richard Dawkins?

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

The latter is an incredibly important function on the Italian political scene right now. I don't even want to think about how much support Lega and FdI might be pulling without a non-fash #populist option for people to vote for.

I mean, ideally I would like to see all the M5S votes migrating to the proper centre-left (specifically, a version of PD that sets its priorities straight) and the party burning in hellfire. Of course, that has zero chance of happening.

Is this the same Michel Onfray who ten or fifteen years ago tried to present himself as a sort of Continental Richard Dawkins?

Yes, Michel Onfray is a sort of New Atheist and apparently bangs relentlessly about Islam(ism).

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Yesterday the Draghi government received the confidence of the Senate with 262 Yes, 40 No, and 2 abstentions (coming from M5S members).

The flash news is that fifteen M5S Senators voted No, and they will all be expelled from the party. What a dumb and useless party, holy Mary. If you consider that it has never undergone any substantial party breakaway, but instead pretty much only parliamentarians leaving alone or getting expelled, their defection rates are simply insane.

Today there is the confidence vote in the Chamber. I wonder how many defections there will be among the M5S Deputies in light of that news. I also wonder how many of those expelled Senators will join Paragone's party, if any.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Today there is the confidence vote in the Chamber. I wonder how many defections there will be among the M5S Deputies in light of that news. I also wonder how many of those expelled Senators will join Paragone's party, if any.

The Draghi government received the confidence of the Chamber with 535 Yes, 56 No, and 5 abstentions.

Sixteen M5S Deputies voted No. I assume that Vito Crimi tomorrow will declare all of them expelled as well.