Italian Elections and Politics 2022 - Our Time to Schlein

[brucejoel99]

Vote for Draghi for PD&M5SS will be a huge error, to the next election Salvini and Meloni will take 60% without FI; a this point try to do a Conte ter government w/o IV go to Senate if not get the confidence go to elections

Having elections right now would genuinely be really bad for Italy. For economic reasons, and also because the electoral law is absolute trash and needs to be made more proportional.

Get the EU money, vaccinate people, start getting the economy out of the ditch, and enact a proportional system. If we get to January 2022, give us the added bonus of another left-leaning President. Then we can go to vote.

Have elections in June then

A Draghi government would presumably seek to do all of those things over the course of ~a year (as opposed to <4 months) so that they can actually be implemented in a competent manner.

Not to mention, in the event of a hypothetical June election being held & resulting in a hung parliament, Mattarella wouldn't be constitutionally able to call a 2nd election were one needed to resolve the deadlock, as Parliament can't be dissolved within the last 6 months of a presidential term.

[FrancoAgo]

Hung parliament, nah, right coalition win

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

This government crisis is sponsored by: George R. R. Martin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dance_with_Dragons

For whomever doesn't get it, draghi means dragons in Italian

More seriously, this is how the dance of the parties looks right now:

- LeU won't participate if Lega is included
- M5S is having some internal conflicts and it isn't clear what exactly they are proposing (although they'll likely get in)
- PD has expressed confidence
- IV is literally idolizing Draghi
- FI looks like they'll get in
- Lega is wishy-washy and Salvini has said he would like a government including everyone
- FdI won't participate in any case

[brucejoel99]

Hung parliament, nah, right coalition win

Didn't say it would be a hung parliament, but that it could be a hung parliament (& it very well could, because who knows what could happen over the course of a campaign?), & it's that fact which renders an election as late as June pretty irresponsible since a follow-up election could very well be necessary yet not holdable 'til ~Apr. 2022.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

My memory is fuzzy: before last election a small crew of old school (i.e. crooked) politicians like Bersani, D'Alema (and maybe Letta?) split away from PD, i recall. Where did they end up going?

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

My memory is fuzzy: before last election a small crew of old school (i.e. crooked) politicians like Bersani, D'Alema (and maybe Letta?) split away from PD, i recall. Where did they end up going?

Imagine calling Bersani crooked when the context of his split is Renzi.

Enrico Letta left PD in an unrelated way in 2015 and got back in 2019.
Bersani and D'Alema among others left in 2017 and founded a party called Articolo Uno. It was part of the Liberi e Uguali coalition in the last parliamentary election and now Bersani sits in the LeU parliamentary group. The party ran a couple candidates in the PD lists at the European election. Its future status is unclear.

[Estrella]

Courtesy of r/italy: Lega posters from the 1990s



"further from Rome, closer to Europe" ijfknskjsdfsfdn

"partisan conscience" aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

"Le Pen [father] is fascist like the parties of Rome" lmaoooooooooooooo

Also the poster in the upper right quadrant is the nakedest dog-whistle about terroni I have ever seen in my life.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

My memory is fuzzy: before last election a small crew of old school (i.e. crooked) politicians like Bersani, D'Alema (and maybe Letta?) split away from PD, i recall. Where did they end up going?

Imagine calling Bersani crooked when the context of his split is Renzi.

Touche; i probably meant more "fossil generation".

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

My memory is fuzzy: before last election a small crew of old school (i.e. crooked) politicians like Bersani, D'Alema (and maybe Letta?) split away from PD, i recall. Where did they end up going?

Imagine calling Bersani crooked when the context of his split is Renzi.

Touche; i probably meant more "fossil generation".

Oh well. I think the best word here is rottamati, if you get what I mean.

[Cortarán todas las flores, pero jamás detendrán la primavera]

Any news on the government formation?

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

#quellavoltacheDraghi ("that time Draghi...") is the new Thing on Italian Twitter.

Among my favourites:
- That time Draghi got a different result from his electronic calculator, and the calculator corrected itself and apologized
- That time Draghi was contacted by a call center and he convinced the call center operator to change bank
- That time Draghi was 5 years old but actually he was already 8 thanks to the interest rates

Then of course every joke about the fact that euro bills printed between 2011 and 2019 have a good Draghi signature on them.

And my favourite of all:
- That time Draghi defeated Saint George lmaooooo

[Former President tack50]

"Le Pen [father] is fascist like the parties of Rome" lmaoooooooooooooo

Also the poster in the upper right quadrant is the nakedest dog-whistle about terroni I have ever seen in my life.

Given that, I wonder what would the Lega founders think about being now an anti-EU party allied with Le Pen [daughter]

In fact, how is Bossi seen nowadays by the Lega and their supporters?

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

"Le Pen [father] is fascist like the parties of Rome" lmaoooooooooooooo

Also the poster in the upper right quadrant is the nakedest dog-whistle about terroni I have ever seen in my life.

Given that, I wonder what would the Lega founders think about being now an anti-EU party allied with Le Pen [daughter]

In fact, how is Bossi seen nowadays by the Lega and their supporters?

It is not very clear because Bossi is irrelevant now and no one talks about him much, but generally speaking the more "old guard" an official or a voter is and the more likely they are to view Bossi positively.
There exists an internal faction of Lega that dislikes Salvini and in general the new Southern-inclusive #populist nationalism, and preferred Bossi, but they are very much on the sidelines.

[Flyersfan232]

"Le Pen [father] is fascist like the parties of Rome" lmaoooooooooooooo

Also the poster in the upper right quadrant is the nakedest dog-whistle about terroni I have ever seen in my life.

Given that, I wonder what would the Lega founders think about being now an anti-EU party allied with Le Pen [daughter]

In fact, how is Bossi seen nowadays by the Lega and their supporters?

It is not very clear because Bossi is irrelevant now and no one talks about him much, but generally speaking the more "old guard" an official or a voter is and the more likely they are to view Bossi positively.
There exists an internal faction of Lega that dislikes Salvini and in general the new Southern-inclusive #populist nationalism, and preferred Bossi, but they are very much on the sidelines.

Didn’t salvini said he was willing to support the government if they possible a spring election?

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

"Le Pen [father] is fascist like the parties of Rome" lmaoooooooooooooo

Also the poster in the upper right quadrant is the nakedest dog-whistle about terroni I have ever seen in my life.

Given that, I wonder what would the Lega founders think about being now an anti-EU party allied with Le Pen [daughter]

In fact, how is Bossi seen nowadays by the Lega and their supporters?

It is not very clear because Bossi is irrelevant now and no one talks about him much, but generally speaking the more "old guard" an official or a voter is and the more likely they are to view Bossi positively.
There exists an internal faction of Lega that dislikes Salvini and in general the new Southern-inclusive #populist nationalism, and preferred Bossi, but they are very much on the sidelines.

Didn’t salvini said he was willing to support the government if they possible a spring election?

Salvini has just said he is open to support the government and has specifically said "we didn't put any conditions" on Draghi, but I don't see in which way this relates to Bossi whatsoever.

[Antonio the Sixth]

#quellavoltacheDraghi ("that time Draghi...") is the new Thing on Italian Twitter.

Among my favourites:
- That time Draghi got a different result from his electronic calculator, and the calculator corrected itself and apologized
- That time Draghi was contacted by a call center and he convinced the call center operator to change bank
- That time Draghi was 5 years old but actually he was already 8 thanks to the interest rates

Then of course every joke about the fact that euro bills printed between 2011 and 2019 have a good Draghi signature on them.

And my favourite of all:
- That time Draghi defeated Saint George lmaooooo

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

AMAZING

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

#quellavoltacheDraghi ("that time Draghi...") is the new Thing on Italian Twitter.

Among my favourites:
- That time Draghi got a different result from his electronic calculator, and the calculator corrected itself and apologized
- That time Draghi was contacted by a call center and he convinced the call center operator to change bank
- That time Draghi was 5 years old but actually he was already 8 thanks to the interest rates

Then of course every joke about the fact that euro bills printed between 2011 and 2019 have a good Draghi signature on them.

And my favourite of all:
- That time Draghi defeated Saint George lmaooooo

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

AMAZING

PLEASE
PLEASE
I have just realized how to upgrade the best one, I can't believe it:

Government formation without FdI? That time Draghi defeated Saint Giorgia.

[Flyersfan232]

Could somebody please give a overview of how the electoral law works at the moment?

What exactly does it mean that Lega and FI are in coalition?  Do you vote for the CDX or for individual parties within the coalition?  How do coalitions work in single member seats?

I think I recall that Sardinian Action ran with Lega at the last election.  However they aren't part of the CDX per se?  How does that work?

Likewise Raffaele Fitto had his own party (Direction which had ties to the Tories) which was inside NcI which in turn was part of the CDX.  What was going on there?

Sorry - a lot of questions about the complex law!

Using the current electoral law:

1. You vote for a single list, and the vote is also transferred to the single-member constituency candidate put up by that list. Parties can form coalitions, which means that they all stand behind the same candidate in each constituency (though that candidate is officially affiliated to one of the lists that support him - or is an independent).

2. The Partito Sardo d'Azione (party) didn't run as an autonomous list in 2018, but ran some candidates inside the Lega lists. Lega in turn was one of the four lists inside the CDX coalition.

3. Likewise Fitto's party ran candidates inside the Noi con l'Italia lists. And NcI was one of the four lists inside the CDX coalition too.

have the centerists party considering forming a liberal bloc?

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Could somebody please give a overview of how the electoral law works at the moment?

What exactly does it mean that Lega and FI are in coalition?  Do you vote for the CDX or for individual parties within the coalition?  How do coalitions work in single member seats?

I think I recall that Sardinian Action ran with Lega at the last election.  However they aren't part of the CDX per se?  How does that work?

Likewise Raffaele Fitto had his own party (Direction which had ties to the Tories) which was inside NcI which in turn was part of the CDX.  What was going on there?

Sorry - a lot of questions about the complex law!

Using the current electoral law:

1. You vote for a single list, and the vote is also transferred to the single-member constituency candidate put up by that list. Parties can form coalitions, which means that they all stand behind the same candidate in each constituency (though that candidate is officially affiliated to one of the lists that support him - or is an independent).

2. The Partito Sardo d'Azione (party) didn't run as an autonomous list in 2018, but ran some candidates inside the Lega lists. Lega in turn was one of the four lists inside the CDX coalition.

3. Likewise Fitto's party ran candidates inside the Noi con l'Italia lists. And NcI was one of the four lists inside the CDX coalition too.

have the centerists party considering forming a liberal bloc?

Unsure what parties you are referring to, but right now I don't think there is any centrist/liberal coalition on the horizon. Certainly not within the current parties.
Also, I think the experience of Monti in 2013 doesn't bode well for this sort of thing.

[Antonio the Sixth]

#quellavoltacheDraghi ("that time Draghi...") is the new Thing on Italian Twitter.

Among my favourites:
- That time Draghi got a different result from his electronic calculator, and the calculator corrected itself and apologized
- That time Draghi was contacted by a call center and he convinced the call center operator to change bank
- That time Draghi was 5 years old but actually he was already 8 thanks to the interest rates

Then of course every joke about the fact that euro bills printed between 2011 and 2019 have a good Draghi signature on them.

And my favourite of all:
- That time Draghi defeated Saint George lmaooooo

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

AMAZING

PLEASE
PLEASE
I have just realized how to upgrade the best one, I can't believe it:

Government formation without FdI? That time Draghi defeated Saint Giorgia.

[bore]

Courtesy of r/italy: Lega posters from the 1990s



"further from Rome, closer to Europe" ijfknskjsdfsfdn

"partisan conscience" aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I love how the bottom right one has the exact same cadence as "Works on contingency? No, money down!"

[Flyersfan232]

Could somebody please give a overview of how the electoral law works at the moment?

What exactly does it mean that Lega and FI are in coalition?  Do you vote for the CDX or for individual parties within the coalition?  How do coalitions work in single member seats?

I think I recall that Sardinian Action ran with Lega at the last election.  However they aren't part of the CDX per se?  How does that work?

Likewise Raffaele Fitto had his own party (Direction which had ties to the Tories) which was inside NcI which in turn was part of the CDX.  What was going on there?

Sorry - a lot of questions about the complex law!

Using the current electoral law:

1. You vote for a single list, and the vote is also transferred to the single-member constituency candidate put up by that list. Parties can form coalitions, which means that they all stand behind the same candidate in each constituency (though that candidate is officially affiliated to one of the lists that support him - or is an independent).

2. The Partito Sardo d'Azione (party) didn't run as an autonomous list in 2018, but ran some candidates inside the Lega lists. Lega in turn was one of the four lists inside the CDX coalition.

3. Likewise Fitto's party ran candidates inside the Noi con l'Italia lists. And NcI was one of the four lists inside the CDX coalition too.

have the centerists party considering forming a liberal bloc?

Unsure what parties you are referring to, but right now I don't think there is any centrist/liberal coalition on the horizon. Certainly not within the current parties.
Also, I think the experience of Monti in 2013 doesn't bode well for this sort of thing.

Iv e+ azonia

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Just thinking this morning what I'd do if I was an Italian leftist. Probably kill myself rather than face the kafkaesque trap they're in of a choice between permanent deflationary politics tied to dead hand Bundesbankers or an incredibly painful economic transition out of the Eurozone that would probably require alliance with literal fascists.

I suppose the current strategy of praying that a pro-fiscal expansion coalition manages to take over Europe has some merit given the other options, but Christ...

[Diouf]

M5S members will have an online vote on whether the party should support Draghi. It will take place from 10 January 13.00 to 11 January 13.00.
ANSA writes that most of the party heavyweights have come out in favour of supporting Draghi.

https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2021/02/08/m5s-to-vote-on-draghi-on-feb-10-11_5f28e69e-c087-42ad-bccb-0de48c67ade2.html