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« on: May 31, 2018, 04:15:16 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/31/politics/mitt-romney-2016-presidential-vote/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2018, 04:17:35 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2018, 04:27:20 PM »

Lol such a counter vote against the Donald.



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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2018, 04:31:55 PM »

Not a bad choice at all. Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2018, 05:29:13 PM »

Better than voting for Trump.
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2018, 05:46:33 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2018, 02:26:03 PM »

A fine choice, far better than any of the candidates finishing with a significant number of votes.
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2018, 02:31:07 PM »

A fine choice, far better than any of the candidates finishing with a significant number of votes.
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2018, 04:22:49 PM »

She loves women!
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2018, 07:20:16 PM »
« Edited: June 04, 2018, 07:27:05 PM by Fuzzy Bear »

Not an FF choice.  Really, an HP (hypocritccal pinhead) choice more than anything else.

Evan McMullin is an FF.  He saw Trump as a horrible candidate and he saw nothing that he wanted in the campaigns of HRC and Johnson.  So he DID something about it; he put his name on the ballot where he could, including Utah, a state in which it was entirely possible that the EV would go for him.  Had that happened, it's possible that enough faithless electors would have swung to McMullin to sent the election to the House, where an actual conservative Republican might have prevailed in the complicated process.

In hindsight, most conservatives would scoff at that today, because Trump has become their "signer-in-chief", giving them what they want.  That was not clear in 2016, and, on top of that, there was what Mitt said about Trump back then?

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/full-transcript-mitt-romneys-remarks-on-donald-trump-and-the-2016-race-220176

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That's a pretty intense statement.  A pretty intense list of quotes from it, and that's not all of them.  And consider who the author of those statements were; it was MITT ROMNEY, the most prominent Mormon political figure in history who held the greatest reservoir of moral good will amongst Mormons in the West, and especially in Utah, where a Republican, running as an independent, had a chance to win Utah's EV and throw the process into a situation where neither Trump nor Hillary would prevaiil.

Running your mouth at that level of speed and intensity ought to bind you to do something.  If I were Romney, I'd have put myself on the ballot in Utah, or tried to persuade Utah's GOP to name electors pledged to Romney and someone like Bill Kristol.  Failing that, I'd have done all I could to enable McMullin/Finn to carry Utah.  

Imagine this map:



It's a 272-260 map with 6 EV from Utah for McMullin.  But what if after the election, Romney had convinced enough Republican electors to jettison Trump and support, say, Romney-Bush (and McMullin had allowed hiw electors to vote that way)?  How would THAT have played out in the Congress?

It's EXTREMELY possible that such an event would have resulted in the GOP dumping Trump and electing the rump slate of Romney-Bush.  The ELECTORS were not folks loyal to Trump; they were loyal to their state party organizations, and more than a few of them wanted to undo the Trump Hostile Takeover.  This is the course FF Romney would have taken.

Instead, Willard the Wimp voted for Wifey.  How nice; a gesture that isn't even counted in the tabulation of votes.  

Lots of folks here, including many I respect, admire Mitt Romney.  I'd have admired Mitt if he went this route; his rhetoric about Trump MANDATED action, and Romney was a guy who could have made something happen.  But he didn't have the stones.  In the end, Trump had far more grit than Romney, however misdirected it may be.  As Gunnery Sergeant Hartman said in Full Metal Jacket:  "Private Joker's silly and ignorant, but he's got guts, and guts is enough!"  For better or worse, Private Joker is now the Commander-in-Chief.
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2018, 07:23:34 PM »

I actually agree with this.
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2018, 12:32:16 AM »

Did his wife vote for him or Trump?
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2018, 08:46:11 AM »

FB's comment is too long to vote, but there a couple key things to note:

1. Romney's vote was tabulated, as an undervote, which is as significant as a McMullin vote.

2. Taking someone to task for not doing enough to support McMullin over Johnson-Weld is a level of political obsession and myopia previously undiscovered.
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2018, 10:57:08 PM »

A fine choice, far better than any of the candidates finishing with a significant number of votes.
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2018, 08:36:27 AM »

Any establishment republican who did not support Clinton threw away their vote.
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2018, 09:09:44 AM »

Any establishment republican who did not support Clinton threw away their vote.

Although I'm not an "Establishment Republican" (any non-politician or donor or consultant who says he or she is an "Establishment Anything" is hilarious), this was my thinking as I stood in the voting booth that November.  Although I was never going to vote for Trump, I didn't feel particularly good about my Clinton vote, and I feel even less enthusiastic about that decision as I've seen how Democrats on this site have acted since then.
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2018, 07:17:27 PM »

President Ann would be spectacular
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2018, 07:51:47 PM »

Any establishment republican American who did not support Clinton threw away their vote.
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2018, 06:39:36 AM »

FB's comment is too long to vote, but there a couple key things to note:

1. Romney's vote was tabulated, as an undervote, which is as significant as a McMullin vote.

2. Taking someone to task for not doing enough to support McMullin over Johnson-Weld is a level of political obsession and myopia previously undiscovered.
Ordinarily, I'd agree with you.  But.Utah was a unique opportunity for the #NeverTrump crowd to actually do something to throw a wrench into the EC and actually end up with the sort of conservative President they sought. That Mitt didn't pursue this course, in light of his own rhetoric is my issue.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2018, 10:33:32 PM »

FB's comment is too long to vote, but there a couple key things to note:

1. Romney's vote was tabulated, as an undervote, which is as significant as a McMullin vote.

2. Taking someone to task for not doing enough to support McMullin over Johnson-Weld is a level of political obsession and myopia previously undiscovered.
Ordinarily, I'd agree with you.  But.Utah was a unique opportunity for the #NeverTrump crowd to actually do something to throw a wrench into the EC and actually end up with the sort of conservative President they sought. That Mitt didn't pursue this course, in light of his own rhetoric is my issue.

In my 2016 thinking, I explicitly said that I would have voted for McMullin if I lived in Utah, so I agree with your hypothesis.  That was the one case where a third party vote was not the same as half a vote for each major candidate (which is what every Johnson/Stein vote really was).
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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2018, 09:38:02 AM »

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