Republicans living in an evidence free world is just not true

[OSR stands with Israel]

I am Asian-American.  Asian voters have been trending toward the Democrats since the 1990s.  From 2000 on, no Republican Presidential candidate has come anywhere close to winning the Asian vote.

So even before President Aryan Nation, the trend lines were clear.  But I think he has handed the Asian vote to the Democrats for a generation.  Asian voters support science and evidence, the GOP and President Pee Brain live in a science and evidence free zone.  Asian voters support the Affordable Care Act, the GOP is trying to destroy it.  Asian voters support immigrant rights, President KKK and the GOP are rabidly anti-immigrant.  I could go on and on.

A so-called President who praises neo-Nazi marchers and claims that global warming is a hoax created by the Chinese is not going to find support among Asian voters.

People like Bernie Sanders, Kshama Sawant live in an evidence-free zone too. Their economic policies have been proven to fail time and time again yet their belief is the reason it has failed is that it was not done purely enough.


- Believing you can raise the minimum wage above the equilibrium price without having negative economic consequences is living in an evidence-free world  

- Believing You can implement the tax hikes they want without severely affecting the economy is living in an evidence-free world

- Hainvg a healthcare plan like this: http://whatifpost.com/the-fuzzy-math-behind-bernie-sanders-health-plan.htm is living in an evidence-free world


So the idea that only Republicans living in an evidence free world is just not true

[DC Al Fine]

I think I'm interested in situations like Canada, where the Conservatives (even with people compared to Trump and his ilk like the Fords) are able to rise quite healthy (even domineering) margins in Asian demographics.

A lot of it is once you reach a certain level of diversity, white vs non-white thinking breaks down. The City of Toronto is majority-minority. Greater Vancouver is only about 55% white. A lot of our immigrants are pretty well off as well. Both of those factors put a lot strain on American style racial-political divides.

Also conservative parties here have taken attracting non-white voters much more seriously than the GOP.

[DC Al Fine]

As long as the Republicans maintain their hard-edged cultural conservatism and anti-intellualism.

Asian-Americans—especially the older ones—do have some socially conservative tendencies, but the current GOP is pretty repugnant to minorities.  Younger Asians aren’t going to forget the Trump era and Trump movement’s hostility towards cultural diversity anytime soon.  Some in the GOP may try to say “oh, Asians are so successful and family-oriented, they should be Republican”, but it’s not that simple.

That kind of GOP thought is silly, but so is the "minorities will grow and continue to vote Democrat, forever and ever amen" that a lot of centre lefties like to posit.

The GOP is in a bad spot. At some point the Dems will have a significant advantage in the electoral college and Congress. Eventually their coalition will be too large and unwieldy. Some part of the majority coalition will feel they're not getting a fair shake, the issues will change, and that group will start to drift. We saw this with Southerners in the 1970's and upper middle class suburban whites in the 2000's and 2010's.

To me, it doesn't really matter how *insert bad thing here* the GOP is. We're talking change over a generation here. What matters is that Asians seem like the worst fit for the Dem coalition and therefore are the best candidate for the GOP to pick off eventually.

[OSR stands with Israel]

As long as the Republicans maintain their hard-edged cultural conservatism and anti-intellualism.

Asian-Americans—especially the older ones—do have some socially conservative tendencies, but the current GOP is pretty repugnant to minorities.  Younger Asians aren’t going to forget the Trump era and Trump movement’s hostility towards cultural diversity anytime soon.  Some in the GOP may try to say “oh, Asians are so successful and family-oriented, they should be Republican”, but it’s not that simple.

That kind of GOP thought is silly, but so is the "minorities will grow and continue to vote Democrat, forever and ever amen" that a lot of centre lefties like to posit.

The GOP is in a bad spot. At some point the Dems will have a significant advantage in the electoral college and Congress. Eventually their coalition will be too large and unwieldy. Some part of the majority coalition will feel they're not getting a fair shake, the issues will change, and that group will start to drift. We saw this with Southerners in the 1970's and upper middle class suburban whites in the 2000's and 2010's.

To me, it doesn't really matter how *insert bad thing here* the GOP is. We're talking change over a generation here. What matters is that Asians seem like the worst fit for the Dem coalition and therefore are the best candidate for the GOP to pick off eventually.

I didn’t say that minorities will always vote Democratic.  What I said was the the current GOP is a very bad fit for minorities.  The party appears very hostile towards immigrants, especially Hispanics and Muslims.  Many minorities see what’s going and and hear the rhetoric from the Trump wing of the party, such as downplaying of unarmed blacks getting shot and Trump’s “Pocohontas” crap.  Not all Republicans are racist, not even all Trump voters are, but many people see the GOP as an exclusively white Christian nationalistic group.  Trump has not been much help in dousing that perception, as seen with his reaction to Charlottesville.

Asians, especially successful ones, may not seem like the greatest fit for Democrats.  I wouldn’t be surprised if there is widespread support for the Conservative Party in Canada in the Chinese community, but I’m not sure the Conservatives have the anti-intellectual, xenophobic reputation that the GOP has.  I have read some conservative commentators wonder why the Indian-American community wasn’t more Republican (successful, religious, family-oriented).  A long time ago, they wondered the same about Jews (a very old joke went “Jews earn like Espiscopalians but vote like Puerto Ricans”).  The GOP was not the quite the same back then, but maybe there are parallels.  Identity politics matter.

Again, I didn’t say the GOP will be a certain way forever, but there are reasons why David Duke likes Trump so much.

The thing is Stephen Harper did very well with Asian voters despite this:


https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/21/canada-climate-change-ranking-oecd-report_n_6024844.html

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/canadian-scientists-open-about-how-their-government-silenced-science-180961942/


So I dont think this is the issue why Asians dont vote GOP

[Ogre Mage]

I am Asian-American.  Asian voters have been trending toward the Democrats since the 1990s.  From 2000 on, no Republican Presidential candidate has come anywhere close to winning the Asian vote.

So even before President Aryan Nation, the trend lines were clear.  But I think he has handed the Asian vote to the Democrats for a generation.  Asian voters support science and evidence, the GOP and President Pee Brain live in a science and evidence free zone.  Asian voters support the Affordable Care Act, the GOP is trying to destroy it.  Asian voters support immigrant rights, President KKK and the GOP are rabidly anti-immigrant.  I could go on and on.

A so-called President who praises neo-Nazi marchers and claims that global warming is a hoax created by the Chinese is not going to find support among Asian voters.

People like Bernie Sanders, Kshama Sawant live in an evidence-free zone too. Their economic policies have been proven to fail time and time again yet their belief is the reason it has failed is that it was not done purely enough.


- Believing you can raise the minimum wage above the equilibrium price without having negative economic consequences is living in an evidence-free world  

- Believing You can implement the tax hikes they want without severely affecting the economy is living in an evidence-free world

- Hainvg a healthcare plan like this: http://whatifpost.com/the-fuzzy-math-behind-bernie-sanders-health-plan.htm is living in an evidence-free world


So the idea that only Republicans living in an evidence free world is just not true

Neither Sanders nor Sawant have been documented making 3000+ false statements, as the Liar-In-Chief Trump has.  Get back to me when Sanders or Sawant actually becomes president.  Evidence-free non-thinking has taken over your party and no limp comparison will change that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/01/president-trump-has-made-3001-false-or-misleading-claims-so-far/?utm_term=.71a323d94a34

[OSR stands with Israel]

I am Asian-American.  Asian voters have been trending toward the Democrats since the 1990s.  From 2000 on, no Republican Presidential candidate has come anywhere close to winning the Asian vote.

So even before President Aryan Nation, the trend lines were clear.  But I think he has handed the Asian vote to the Democrats for a generation.  Asian voters support science and evidence, the GOP and President Pee Brain live in a science and evidence free zone.  Asian voters support the Affordable Care Act, the GOP is trying to destroy it.  Asian voters support immigrant rights, President KKK and the GOP are rabidly anti-immigrant.  I could go on and on.

A so-called President who praises neo-Nazi marchers and claims that global warming is a hoax created by the Chinese is not going to find support among Asian voters.

People like Bernie Sanders, Kshama Sawant live in an evidence-free zone too. Their economic policies have been proven to fail time and time again yet their belief is the reason it has failed is that it was not done purely enough.


- Believing you can raise the minimum wage above the equilibrium price without having negative economic consequences is living in an evidence-free world  

- Believing You can implement the tax hikes they want without severely affecting the economy is living in an evidence-free world

- Hainvg a healthcare plan like this: http://whatifpost.com/the-fuzzy-math-behind-bernie-sanders-health-plan.htm is living in an evidence-free world


So the idea that only Republicans living in an evidence free world is just not true

Neither Sanders nor Sawant have been documented making 3000+ false statements, as the Liar-In-Chief Trump has.  Get back to me when Sanders or Sawant actually becomes president.  Evidence-free non-thinking has taken over your party and no limp comparison will change that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/01/president-trump-has-made-3001-false-or-misleading-claims-so-far/?utm_term=.71a323d94a34

Sawant is far worse than Trump


She got an expansion Amazon planned in the city stopped cause of her idiotic socialist policies. She wants to nationalize banks and so many other industries. She also is a full on socialist instead of a Scandinavian Type which means she is anti-intellectual as well

[ملكة كرينجيتوك]

Sawant is far worse than Trump


She got an expansion Amazon planned in the city stopped cause of her idiotic socialist policies. She wants to nationalize banks and so many other industries. She also is a full on socialist instead of a Scandinavian Type which means she is anti-intellectual as well

We don't need Seattle to become more of an Amazon company town than it already is.

[darklordoftech]

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[Politician]

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[OSR stands with Israel]

Why did this thread breakaway from the other one

[Karpatsky]

Sawant is far worse than Trump


She got an expansion Amazon planned in the city stopped cause of her idiotic socialist policies. She wants to nationalize banks and so many other industries. She also is a full on socialist instead of a Scandinavian Type which means she is anti-intellectual as well

The problem with Republican thinking in the modern day is encapsulated by the title of this thread. That people on the other side are crazy too does NOT make you not crazy. But because the depths of rightist rejection of fact is so deep, this is the only argument that can be made - consider the constant deflection to Hillary on right media. Consider that to defend your party you are comparing the President of the United States to someone sitting on a city council. Even if you win that debate, that does nothing to exonerate your party of the total disregard for objective fact is has developed in the last two decades.

[Bidenworth2020]

I just want to mention you gave literally no evidence that reps aren't living in an evidence-free world. you just said Bernie is.

anyway, to your points

1.-if you actually bothered to read bernies plan, you would know that he gradually raises the wage in order to not hurt the economy

2. it is sure as hell a debatable issue whether tax hikes have a major effect on the economy. Just one thing I found-https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/pat-garofalo/2014/07/23/more-evidence-the-minimum-wage-and-tax-increases-dont-kill-jobs

3.yes, his math is quite a bit iffy... what does have to do with evidence

[OSR stands with Israel]

I just want to mention you gave literally no evidence that reps aren't living in an evidence-free world. you just said Bernie is.

anyway, to your points

1.-if you actually bothered to read bernies plan, you would know that he gradually raises the wage in order to not hurt the economy

2. it is sure as hell a debatable issue whether tax hikes have a major effect on the economy. Just one thing I found-https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/pat-garofalo/2014/07/23/more-evidence-the-minimum-wage-and-tax-increases-dont-kill-jobs

3.yes, his math is quite a bit iffy... what does have to do with evidence

This thread some how broke apart from the other one , this wanst meant to be another thread.


It was just me replying to someone .

[Burke Bro]

Neither Sanders nor Sawant have been documented making 3000+ false statements, as the Liar-In-Chief Trump has.  Get back to me when Sanders or Sawant actually becomes president.  Evidence-free non-thinking has taken over your party and no limp comparison will change that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/01/president-trump-has-made-3001-false-or-misleading-claims-so-far/?utm_term=.71a323d94a34

Sawant is far worse than Trump

Do you have any evidence to back this claim?

In all seriousness, we can debate Bernie Sanders's economic policies. There is actual evidence to suggest that his economic policies may work (hit me up on discord if you'd like to talk about it). This is in contrast to the Republican Party's position on climate change. There is no actual evidence to suggest that climate change is a hoax. They ignore the evidence climate scientists have presented, let alone that there is a scientific consensus on climate change (97% or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activity). Tell me, who lives in an evidence free world. Bernie or the Republicans?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Neither Sanders nor Sawant have been documented making 3000+ false statements, as the Liar-In-Chief Trump has.  Get back to me when Sanders or Sawant actually becomes president.  Evidence-free non-thinking has taken over your party and no limp comparison will change that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/01/president-trump-has-made-3001-false-or-misleading-claims-so-far/?utm_term=.71a323d94a34

Sawant is far worse than Trump

Do you have any evidence to back this claim?

In all seriousness, we can debate Bernie Sanders's economic policies. There is actual evidence to suggest that his economic policies may work (hit me up on discord if you'd like to talk about it). This is in contrast to the Republican Party's position on climate change. There is no actual evidence to suggest that climate change is a hoax. They ignore the evidence climate scientists have presented, let alone that there is a scientific consensus on climate change (97% or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activity). Tell me, who lives in an evidence free world. Bernie or the Republicans?

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.


She supports nationalizing banks and is for full-on socialism (not of the Bernie type , the real one) which is as anti-intellectual as you can get.

[Sadader]

Well Bernie Sanders isn’t the Democratic party. Hillary and Obama were undeniably more truthful (and paid far more attention to evidence) than the Republican party of their time. And Clinton especially was by far the greatest candidate on economics out of the field. Hell, she was the Brookings Institution as a person.

And it’s misinformed to say that raising the minimum wage (which the literature for isn’t conclusive) or going for tax hikes is “living an an evidence free world”. Evaluating those policies isn’t a matter of scientific evidence; it’s normative, and based on personal views and preferences on things like inequality. You can’t say they’re objectively wrong to think that (sonething like) more equality is worth the trade off of lower economic growth. But Bernie has proven that he’s doesn’t care about evidence (the primaries really demonstrated how ridiculous he was - see this), so I agree and really worry for the future of the Democrats if they keep going in his direction.

[Person Man]

Sawant is far worse than Trump


She got an expansion Amazon planned in the city stopped cause of her idiotic socialist policies. She wants to nationalize banks and so many other industries. She also is a full on socialist instead of a Scandinavian Type which means she is anti-intellectual as well

The problem with Republican thinking in the modern day is encapsulated by the title of this thread. That people on the other side are crazy too does NOT make you not crazy. But because the depths of rightist rejection of fact is so deep, this is the only argument that can be made - consider the constant deflection to Hillary on right media. Consider that to defend your party you are comparing the President of the United States to someone sitting on a city council. Even if you win that debate, that does nothing to exonerate your party of the total disregard for objective fact is has developed in the last two decades.

"He who smelled it, dealt it!"

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.

You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.

You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.

A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

[RINO Tom]

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.

You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.

A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

You better REALLY prioritize cultural issues, or you’re gonna be having a whole lot of intra partying in your life, pal!

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.

You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.

A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life .

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.

You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.

A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life .

She also supports Nationalizing Banks

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.

You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.

A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life .

She also supports Nationalizing Banks

And thats somehow "evidence free" because why?

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.

You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.

A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life .

She also supports Nationalizing Banks

And thats somehow "evidence free" because why?

Because when the f c k  has that lunacy worked?