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« on: May 14, 2018, 01:21:54 AM »
« edited: May 16, 2018, 10:26:58 AM by Da2017 »

What will be her biggest problem to winning the primary and General? Will she have to work on honest and trustworthy like Clinton? Her biggest problem wiil be from California and her record as Ag. She is not as tainted as Booker,
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2018, 01:25:24 AM »

She's a non-white woman.  That's enough of an obstacle.
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2018, 03:42:03 AM »

She's a non-white woman.  That's enough of an obstacle.
Pretty sure that’s her biggest strength in the primary. Literally can’t hear any of her supporters talk about her without going ‘on ya, and did you know she’s a black woman?Huh?’ I doubt it would be a detriment in the general in states Dems will compete in either.

Kamala Harris’ biggest problem is twofold and interconnected: she’s a California liberal. This is twofold because not only is she pretty far left and has an ill-defined economic message at this juncture (with California’s economic struggles and general insanity on full display in the background), but she also can be attacked as being a Pelosi puppet because she’s from Pelosi’s backyard. The ads practically write themselves. The best thing for Harris’ presidency would be an upswing for California combined with clearly defined views and a platform that emphasizes her strengths and talents / knowledge beyond the standard party line and especially beyond of even contrary to what Pelosi or the stereotypical San Francisco (I know Harris is from LA but if Conor Lamb gets branded as a San Francisco liberal you know she sure as hell will too) would believe in.

I really think that Dems need someone from the middle of the country who can speak to people there. Obama being from Illinois helped immensely in that regard - he understood the center of the country to some extent, or at least did a good job of saying he did. Cali and New York don’t need to be the center of the universe for Dems.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2018, 04:11:02 AM »

She's a non-white woman.  That's enough of an obstacle.
Pretty sure that’s her biggest strength in the primary. Literally can’t hear any of her supporters talk about her without going ‘on ya, and did you know she’s a black woman?Huh?’ I doubt it would be a detriment in the general in states Dems will compete in either.

Kamala Harris’ biggest problem is twofold and interconnected: she’s a California liberal. This is twofold because not only is she pretty far left and has an ill-defined economic message at this juncture (with California’s economic struggles and general insanity on full display in the background), but she also can be attacked as being a Pelosi puppet because she’s from Pelosi’s backyard. The ads practically write themselves. The best thing for Harris’ presidency would be an upswing for California combined with clearly defined views and a platform that emphasizes her strengths and talents / knowledge beyond the standard party line and especially beyond of even contrary to what Pelosi or the stereotypical San Francisco (I know Harris is from LA but if Conor Lamb gets branded as a San Francisco liberal you know she sure as hell will too) would believe in.

I really think that Dems need someone from the middle of the country who can speak to people there. Obama being from Illinois helped immensely in that regard - he understood the center of the country to some extent, or at least did a good job of saying he did. Cali and New York don’t need to be the center of the universe for Dems.

While I agree, the Democrats could run Doug Jones or Jon Tester and would still get attacked as the party of 'Liberal San Franisco' values. So it's really a lost cause deciding who to run based on who the republicans will attack.

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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2018, 06:30:43 AM »

She's a non-white woman.  That's enough of an obstacle.
Pretty sure that’s her biggest strength in the primary. Literally can’t hear any of her supporters talk about her without going ‘on ya, and did you know she’s a black woman?Huh?’ I doubt it would be a detriment in the general in states Dems will compete in either.

Kamala Harris’ biggest problem is twofold and interconnected: she’s a California liberal. This is twofold because not only is she pretty far left and has an ill-defined economic message at this juncture (with California’s economic struggles and general insanity on full display in the background), but she also can be attacked as being a Pelosi puppet because she’s from Pelosi’s backyard. The ads practically write themselves. The best thing for Harris’ presidency would be an upswing for California combined with clearly defined views and a platform that emphasizes her strengths and talents / knowledge beyond the standard party line and especially beyond of even contrary to what Pelosi or the stereotypical San Francisco (I know Harris is from LA but if Conor Lamb gets branded as a San Francisco liberal you know she sure as hell will too) would believe in.

I really think that Dems need someone from the middle of the country who can speak to people there. Obama being from Illinois helped immensely in that regard - he understood the center of the country to some extent, or at least did a good job of saying he did. Cali and New York don’t need to be the center of the universe for Dems.

While I agree, the Democrats could run Doug Jones or Jon Tester and would still get attacked as the party of 'Liberal San Franisco' values. So it's really a lost cause deciding who to run based on who the republicans will attack.


Doug Jones or Jon Tester could counter those claims by talking about how they're from the heartland, how they believe Democrats need to represent the working class, etc. Harris can't, since she's from a state hated in the heartland.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2018, 09:05:06 AM »

She’s the epitome of the sickness that has infected the Dems since Third Way era. Fast and loose on policy, and focused more on quota-filling.
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2018, 09:08:17 AM »

She's a non-white woman.  That's enough of an obstacle.

This, plus that she has no children may also become an issue for some (who won't vote for her anyway).
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2018, 09:31:32 AM »

She's a non-white woman.  That's enough of an obstacle.

This, plus that she has no children may also become an issue for some (who won't vote for her anyway).

Well technically she has step kids.
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2018, 09:59:35 AM »

She's a non-white woman.  That's enough of an obstacle.
Pretty sure that’s her biggest strength in the primary. Literally can’t hear any of her supporters talk about her without going ‘on ya, and did you know she’s a black woman?Huh?’ I doubt it would be a detriment in the general in states Dems will compete in either.

Kamala Harris’ biggest problem is twofold and interconnected: she’s a California liberal. This is twofold because not only is she pretty far left and has an ill-defined economic message at this juncture (with California’s economic struggles and general insanity on full display in the background), but she also can be attacked as being a Pelosi puppet because she’s from Pelosi’s backyard. The ads practically write themselves. The best thing for Harris’ presidency would be an upswing for California combined with clearly defined views and a platform that emphasizes her strengths and talents / knowledge beyond the standard party line and especially beyond of even contrary to what Pelosi or the stereotypical San Francisco (I know Harris is from LA but if Conor Lamb gets branded as a San Francisco liberal you know she sure as hell will too) would believe in.

I really think that Dems need someone from the middle of the country who can speak to people there. Obama being from Illinois helped immensely in that regard - he understood the center of the country to some extent, or at least did a good job of saying he did. Cali and New York don’t need to be the center of the universe for Dems.

She’s not from LA. Born in Oakland raised there and Berkeley if I remember correctly. Her husband is from LA. But she spent her whole life and career in northern california. 

Obama isnt really from Chicago he was raised all over including abroad but mainly in Hawaii. Of course it helped that he lived in Chicago. But then plenty of midwestern candidates flopped.
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2018, 10:27:47 AM »

She's a non-white woman.  That's enough of an obstacle.
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2018, 11:05:32 AM »

Non-white liberal woman from San Francisco. There'll be a ton of inflammatory ads about how she wants to give your Medicare to immigrants that will flood to America once she enacts open borders.
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2018, 01:41:23 PM »

She's a non-white woman.  That's enough of an obstacle.

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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2018, 02:09:26 PM »

From California, and the Bay Area at that.

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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2018, 02:39:34 PM »

In the Democratic Primary, I think she will be attacked over a lack of experience.  Obama was attacked on this in 2008 and struggled to overcome it at times.  For a female candidate, this is an even harder hurdle to overcome due to how female candidates tend to be perceived.  Klobuchar, Warren and Gillibrand are experienced enough to inoculate themselves from this attack, but I think Harris will have problems. 

This is more of a problem in the Democratic Primary and less in the general, where she would be facing the completely unprepared, unqualified idiot in the White House.  Only Trump's most hard-core (brain-dead) supporters will buy that he is more qualified than she is.
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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2018, 04:07:47 PM »

Harris's problem is that rural whites will suddenly start feeling that good ol economic anxiety again and thus derail any agenda she has after 2020
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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2018, 06:21:48 PM »

She's a non-white woman.  That's enough of an obstacle.

Harris's problem is that rural whites will suddenly start feeling that good ol economic anxiety again and thus derail any agenda she has after 2020

This is all very accurate. Additionally there is a strange fixation on her somehow not being sufficiently progressive, in spite of her current voting record. Whether or not that affects her candidacy or not may depend on how bruising her primary is and who she competes against.
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2018, 08:59:54 PM »

She's a non-white woman.  That's enough of an obstacle.

Harris's problem is that rural whites will suddenly start feeling that good ol economic anxiety again and thus derail any agenda she has after 2020

This is all very accurate. Additionally there is a strange fixation on her somehow not being sufficiently progressive, in spite of her current voting record. Whether or not that affects her candidacy or not may depend on how bruising her primary is and who she competes against.

There's a few on the left who believe she's doing it out of cynical opportunism. Personally, I don't care what her motivations are if she's voting the right way.
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2018, 09:08:38 PM »

Her race and sex give her huge boosts. She wouldn't be taken seriously as a candidate if she had the same record and was Karl Sorensen.
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2018, 10:04:54 PM »

LOL at the people saying that being a black woman is a minus in winning a Democratic primary. One can hope that her being pals with Steve Mnuchin and Benjamin Netanyahu would be a liability, but who knows.
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2018, 12:04:48 AM »

Her record as California's Attorney General.
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2018, 12:16:08 AM »

She's a non-white woman.  That's enough of an obstacle.

Non-white liberal woman from San Francisco. There'll be a ton of inflammatory ads about how she wants to give your Medicare to immigrants that will flood to America once she enacts open borders.


Her record as California's Attorney General.
All of this.
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2018, 06:14:20 PM »

LOL at the people saying that being a black woman is a minus in winning a Democratic primary. One can hope that her being pals with Steve Mnuchin and Benjamin Netanyahu would be a liability, but who knows.

This thread is about the general election. Being a black woman definitely is an advantage in the primary.
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