Can a male who supports feminism still be sexist?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Simple question. Can a male who supports women's rights and supports feminist causes still be a sexist? I find it funny people have accused me of being sexist before, considering my support of women's liberation.

[??????????]

Yes see Flyers and BRTD.

[Alcon]

Sure.

To answer this question no would be to ignore the existence of radical feminists and hypocricy.

[KillerPollo]

What the hell? Feminism is only a way for unattractive women to receive mainstream attention.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Sure.

To answer this question no would be to ignore the existence of radical feminists and hypocricy.

what do radical feminists have to do with this?

[John Dibble]

Sure.

To answer this question no would be to ignore the existence of radical feminists and hypocricy.

what do radical feminists have to do with this?

Radical feminists are sexist towards women - they believe men are violent scumbags who want to oppress women, and that women are pure and good in contrast. If a man supports this type of feminism, then he's sexist towards women and against men.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No male supports that. I was talking about ones like myself.

[John Dibble]

No male supports that. I was talking about ones like myself.

Sure, some males do support it. They are far and few between, but I assure you a few of them do exist.

[MaC]

What the hell? Feminism is only a way for unattractive women to receive mainstream attention.

lol, true

[ilikeverin]

No male supports that. I was talking about ones like myself.

Sure, some males do support it. They are far and few between, but I assure you a few of them do exist.

[Speed of Sound]

well most certainly

[John Dibble]

No male supports that. I was talking about ones like myself.

Sure, some males do support it. They are far and few between, but I assure you a few of them do exist.

So you support radical feminism in which men are regarded as violent scumbags and only women are pure and good?

[Speed of Sound]

No male supports that. I was talking about ones like myself.

Sure, some males do support it. They are far and few between, but I assure you a few of them do exist.

So you support radical feminism in which men are regarded as violent scumbags and only women are pure and good?

Well sure, when you look at it that way it sounds bad.

[The Dowager Mod]

What the hell? Feminism is only a way for unattractive women to receive mainstream attention.

Thanx dimwit.

[nclib]

I voted yes, since one can behave differently from their ideology.

[ilikeverin]

No male supports that. I was talking about ones like myself.

Sure, some males do support it. They are far and few between, but I assure you a few of them do exist.

So you support radical feminism in which men are regarded as violent scumbags and only women are pure and good?

Ah, I thought you were referencing us 'good feminists', as I didn't read all of BRTDs post.  My bad

[Everett]

BRTD doesn't support feminism so much as he is obsessed with hot women and sex.

[Max Power]

No, because, obviously, going to strip clubs makes you feminist because you are giving money to women. But wait? That's against your ideology- shouldn't you equally give money to men and women (aka Communism/Socialism)?? So when I hear about you going to a gay strip club, I'll admit you are a feminist.

[dazzleman]

I don't think that what passes for feminism today can be automatically considered the deteminant of whether a person is "sexist" or not.

The truth is that every man and every woman is sexist in their own way, against both men and women.  Mainstream feminism is implicitly sexist against women in certain ways, and against men in many others.

Sexist, like racist, is a word that has lost all meaning.  Today, it simply means a person who does not, without question, support a far-left agenda that is deemed critical by the self-appointed representatives of the victim groups.

[ilikeverin]

BRTD doesn't support feminism so much as he is obsessed with hot women and sex.

Obviously that is the core tenant of feminism.

[Emsworth]

Certainly. One can support the goals of feminism, yet hold prejudices against women. Or, one can support a type of feminism that could be characterized as sexist.

[dazzleman]

I voted yes, since one can behave differently from their ideology.

You're assuming that one who believes in feminism, and behaves according, cannot be sexist.  I don't believe this to be true.

That's like saying that one cannot be racist is they believe in all the positions of the NAACP. 

There is a lot of room for difference of opinion on whether the programs advocated by many feminists are actually good for women, and society as a whole (I think not), just as there can be differences of opinion on whether positions supported by the NAACP are really good for blacks (I also think not in many cases).

People ought to think for themselves instead of subcontracting their intellectual freedom to these self-appointed groups in order to be politically correct.

[Gabu]

You're assuming that one who believes in feminism, and behaves according, cannot be sexist.  I don't believe this to be true.

It depends on what we call feminism.  What I consider to be real feminism (a definition with which Dictionary.com agrees) is the advocation of equality between the sexes, not the advocation of the superiority of females over males.  If we take this to be what feminism is, then no, it's not really possible, by definition, for one who completely believes in feminism and who behaves accordingly to be sexist, given that feminism is the antithesis of sexism in this case.

If we take feminism to be the perverted kind of feminism that some people have taken on that advocates the superiority of females over males, then I would completely agree, and I would even argue the opposite: that it's impossible, by definition, for one who completely believes in this warped kind of feminism and who behaves accordingly not to be sexist, given that the nature of this warped kind of feminism is discrimination against men.

Now, it could be argued that it's not possible for one to completely believe in the former kind of feminism, given that, when push comes to shove, one is pretty much always biased at least somewhat towards either one's own gender or, failing that due to disgust or whatever, towards the opposite gender.  I would personally agree with this; even if many people would like to think that they were completely free of all kinds of discriminatory thoughts, the least little bit of variance will inevitably create some kind of difference between someone's reaction to something.

However, if there were some universe in which this man exists who completely believes in the former kind of feminism and who acts accordingly, then I would say that no, he can't be sexist.  The problem here lies in a lack of total belief in such a thing, not in the belief itself.

[angus]

Certainly. One can support the goals of feminism, yet hold prejudices against women.

YET?!  "yet" is the conjunction generally used when the dependent and independent clauses are in apparent contradiction.  WTF??! 

any male who supports feminism needn't bother darkening my doorstep.  End of discussion.  there's very little on this earth that I won't tolerate.  but feminism is foul and nasty.  I can't believe BRTD is actually asking this question.  My assumption is that he's f ucking either with dazzleman or with me.  I'd decided not to give him the satisfaction, but, alas, I'm a very weak man and can no longer suffer the silence.

YES, a man who supports feminism is NECESSARILY sexist.  and, in a far far worse way than a women who supports feminism is, in fact.

[dazzleman]

You're assuming that one who believes in feminism, and behaves according, cannot be sexist.  I don't believe this to be true.

It depends on what we call feminism.  What I consider to be real feminism (a definition with which Dictionary.com agrees) is the advocation of equality between the sexes, not the advocation of the superiority of females over males.  If we take this to be what feminism is, then no, it's not really possible, by definition, for one who completely believes in feminism and who behaves accordingly to be sexist, given that feminism is the antithesis of sexism in this case.

If we take feminism to be the perverted kind of feminism that some people have taken on that advocates the superiority of females over males, then I would completely agree, and I would even argue the opposite: that it's impossible, by definition, for one who completely believes in this warped kind of feminism and who behaves accordingly not to be sexist, given that the nature of this warped kind of feminism is discrimination against men.

Now, it could be argued that it's not possible for one to completely believe in the former kind of feminism, given that, when push comes to shove, one is pretty much always biased at least somewhat towards either one's own gender or, failing that due to disgust or whatever, towards the opposite gender.  I would personally agree with this; even if many people would like to think that they were completely free of all kinds of discriminatory thoughts, the least little bit of variance will inevitably create some kind of difference between someone's reaction to something.

However, if there were some universe in which this man exists who completely believes in the former kind of feminism and who acts accordingly, then I would say that no, he can't be sexist.  The problem here lies in a lack of total belief in such a thing, not in the belief itself.

I agree with your theory, but I don't think reality can ever really match up.

I think that most people are biased to one degree or another toward their own gender.  I also don't think there's anything really wrong with this, within certain parameters.  I find it offensive that men are condemned for this, and women praised, but that's another matter.

I also don't believe that true equality can ever really exist between men and women because of inherent biological differences.  All the laws in the world can't make it possible for a man to carry a baby, nor can it equalize physical strength and other attributes between men and women.  And on top of that, men and women think differently in innate ways, not only because of different societal socialization, as feminists claim.

I think that feminists, or what passes for feminists today, implicitly concede the superiority of men and the traditional male role in society, while belittling the role that biology immutably assigns to women.  I don't see this as really promoting the best interests of women, or really anybody.

As I said, I agree with you in theory that those who support equality between the sexes isn't sexist, but the devil here is in the details.  We will never agree on what equality actually means in the context of immutable biological and psychological differences between males and females.