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Question: DC should
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not change, Status Quo
 
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Become a state
 
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merge with Virginia
 
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merge with Maryland
 
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« on: April 24, 2018, 09:13:38 AM »

The situation in DC is unfair, they don't have any effective representation. It's more populated than VT or WY, and yet has no senator and only a non voting representative. Should DC become a state, or join an other state, or maybe not change at all ? And why ?
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2018, 10:15:09 AM »

Merge with Maryland. It already looks like a part of it. It’s way too geographically small to be a state, which could set off a trend of city states breaking off, and Ottawa is part of Ontario but nobody complains
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2018, 10:22:38 AM »

It already functions much like a state, so why not make it one?
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2018, 10:24:45 AM »

Day one of a Democratic trifecta should be admitting Washington DC as a state. Only acceptable answer.

DC doesn't want to join Maryland and Maryland doesn't want DC.
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2018, 10:51:44 AM »

DC getting 2 senators lul
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2018, 12:53:59 PM »

Day one of a Democratic trifecta should be admitting Washington DC as a state. Only acceptable answer.

DC doesn't want to join Maryland and Maryland doesn't want DC.


you have to get a constitutional amendment to do that
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2018, 01:21:40 PM »

Day one of a Democratic trifecta should be admitting Washington DC as a state. Only acceptable answer.

DC doesn't want to join Maryland and Maryland doesn't want DC.


you have to get a constitutional amendment to do that
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2018, 01:51:24 PM »

Day one of a Democratic trifecta should be admitting Washington DC as a state. Only acceptable answer.

DC doesn't want to join Maryland and Maryland doesn't want DC.


you have to get a constitutional amendment to do that

No, you don't. The Constitution doesn't define what the area of the federal district consists of, just that it can't be larger than 10 square miles. In fact, the Constitution specifically empowers Congress to define by legislation what the federal district consists of.

Just a statute redefining the federal district to consist of just the Mall and important federal buildings (the Capitol, the Supreme Court, the White House, the Library of Congress, various administration and support buildings) would be fine. Then the rest of DC can be organized into a state.
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2018, 02:23:45 PM »

Merging it with DC or Maryland takes away two electoral votes and that really is not fair. It should be a state. Population size is arbitrary since it has more people than Vermont or Wyoming and size in square miles is clearly irrelevant to representation.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2018, 02:49:02 PM »

Day one of a Democratic trifecta should be admitting Washington DC as a state. Only acceptable answer.

DC doesn't want to join Maryland and Maryland doesn't want DC.


you have to get a constitutional amendment to do that

No, you don't. The Constitution doesn't define what the area of the federal district consists of, just that it can't be larger than 10 square miles. In fact, the Constitution specifically empowers Congress to define by legislation what the federal district consists of.

Just a statute redefining the federal district to consist of just the Mall and important federal buildings (the Capitol, the Supreme Court, the White House, the Library of Congress, various administration and support buildings) would be fine. Then the rest of DC can be organized into a state.

Exactly, just shrink it to this:

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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2018, 05:12:43 PM »

Day one of a Democratic trifecta should be admitting Washington DC as a state. Only acceptable answer.

DC doesn't want to join Maryland and Maryland doesn't want DC.


you have to get a constitutional amendment to do that

No, you don't. The Constitution doesn't define what the area of the federal district consists of, just that it can't be larger than 10 square miles. In fact, the Constitution specifically empowers Congress to define by legislation what the federal district consists of.

Just a statute redefining the federal district to consist of just the Mall and important federal buildings (the Capitol, the Supreme Court, the White House, the Library of Congress, various administration and support buildings) would be fine. Then the rest of DC can be organized into a state.

Exactly, just shrink it to this:


According to the 23rd Amendment this new federal district would still receive 3 presidential electors.
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2018, 07:22:21 PM »
« Edited: April 24, 2018, 08:10:46 PM by Singletxguyforfun »

Day one of a Democratic trifecta should be admitting Washington DC as a state. Only acceptable answer.

DC doesn't want to join Maryland and Maryland doesn't want DC.


It looks like a penis

you have to get a constitutional amendment to do that

No, you don't. The Constitution doesn't define what the area of the federal district consists of, just that it can't be larger than 10 square miles. In fact, the Constitution specifically empowers Congress to define by legislation what the federal district consists of.

Just a statute redefining the federal district to consist of just the Mall and important federal buildings (the Capitol, the Supreme Court, the White House, the Library of Congress, various administration and support buildings) would be fine. Then the rest of DC can be organized into a state.

Exactly, just shrink it to this:



It looks like a реиis
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2018, 08:07:28 PM »

Make it part of Maryland, the same way Ottawa is part of Ontario.

Making it a state would be too tricky and not politically realistic, but it is inexcusable that DC residents don’t have proper representation in the government that they’re forced to host.
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2018, 03:16:46 AM »

Day one of a Democratic trifecta should be admitting Washington DC as a state. Only acceptable answer.

DC doesn't want to join Maryland and Maryland doesn't want DC.


you have to get a constitutional amendment to do that

No, you don't. The Constitution doesn't define what the area of the federal district consists of, just that it can't be larger than 10 square miles. In fact, the Constitution specifically empowers Congress to define by legislation what the federal district consists of.

Just a statute redefining the federal district to consist of just the Mall and important federal buildings (the Capitol, the Supreme Court, the White House, the Library of Congress, various administration and support buildings) would be fine. Then the rest of DC can be organized into a state.

Exactly, just shrink it to this:


According to the 23rd Amendment this new federal district would still receive 3 presidential electors.
Which Congress may provide for the manner of appointment, and may choose not to appoint. If no appointment is made, they are not considered in determining a majority.

The area need not be made a federal district. It could be a national historical park when the capital is moved to a more central location. Old Capital National Historical Park.
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2018, 06:28:52 AM »
« Edited: April 25, 2018, 06:44:58 AM by StateBoiler »

Shrink the federal district to the minimum necessity of federal buildings as the recently posted map shows. The rest of the district absorbed back into Maryland.

It already functions much like a state, so why not make it one?

Well it doesn't, the Mayor is not a governor and it's the definition of a "company town". If we're changing the membership of states the following would rank higher priorities:

-splitting New York City and Long Island from Upstate New York
-splitting California into at least 2 pieces
-Rhode Island being absorbed into either Connecticut or Massachusetts
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2018, 06:32:48 AM »

Day one of a Democratic trifecta should be admitting Washington DC as a state. Only acceptable answer.

DC doesn't want to join Maryland and Maryland doesn't want DC.
And it doesn't want to be part of Virginia either.
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2018, 06:41:16 AM »

Day one of a Democratic trifecta should be admitting Washington DC as a state. Only acceptable answer.

DC doesn't want to join Maryland and Maryland doesn't want DC.
And it doesn't want to be part of Virginia either.

The part of what was ceded by Virginia to create the District of Columbia was already reabsorbed into Virginia in 1846.
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2018, 03:22:59 PM »

Shrink the federal district to the minimum necessity of federal buildings as the recently posted map shows. The rest of the district absorbed back into Maryland.

It already functions much like a state, so why not make it one?

Well it doesn't, the Mayor is not a governor and it's the definition of a "company town". If we're changing the membership of states the following would rank higher priorities:

-splitting New York City and Long Island from Upstate New York
-splitting California into at least 2 pieces
-Rhode Island being absorbed into either Connecticut or Massachusetts
D.C. is distinct from Maryland and it has not been a part of Maryland in well over two centuries. And no, it's not a company town, as while it is the capital it doesn't revolve entirely around the federal government.
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2018, 04:58:17 PM »

Merging it with DC or Maryland takes away two electoral votes and that really is not fair.

So? It would add atleast 3 to MD because of house seat gains? DC would arguably be even or possibly better off as far as electoral math goes.
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2018, 08:23:18 PM »

Keep it a federal district, but with full voting rights in the House.  I think that's fair.
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2018, 06:23:46 AM »

Keep it a federal district, but with full voting rights in the House.  I think that's fair.

Agreed. I'd also give it 1 senator personally (instead of the usual 2 because of the small size), even if that would make the Vice President kind of useless as the senate would have an odd number.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2018, 06:26:40 AM »

Keep it a federal district, but with full voting rights in the House.  I think that's fair.

Agreed. I'd also give it 1 senator personally (instead of the usual 2 because of the small size), even if that would make the Vice President kind of useless as the senate would have an odd number.
It has more people than several states.
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2018, 10:02:52 AM »

DC should reboot its movie franchise once again and see if they can manage to get a live action version of the DCAU made.
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2018, 12:21:19 PM »

DC should reboot its movie franchise once again and see if they can manage to get a live action version of the DCAU made.

HILARIOUS AND ORIGINAL
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2018, 01:01:30 PM »

My preferences, in order:

1)Make it a state
2)Give it (and PR) one voting member of the House via constitutional amendment
3)Give it to MD
4)Give it to VA
5)Give it to literally any other state
6)Status quo

My formula for the constitutional amendment would be something like: any territory or federal district that has a population that is at least half that of the least populous state is entitled to a full member of the House of Representatives.
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