Anti-Semitism in UK Labour megathread

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So, #HodgeComparisons on Twitter... I'm glad I left the Labour Party.

Both main parties been polling over 80% of the vote since last election and i believe it will remain this way, it's a 2 horse race "Labour vs Conservatives",
If we don't vote Labour, the tories will win the next general election...

As much i dislike Corbyn, I don't he's fit to be prime minister, the way he's handling the anti Semitism row is deeply depressing and sad :/

But I dislike the tories more and what they're doing with the NHS, Universal Credit, Windrush, Fracking, Transportation and railway chaos, Brexit chaos, etc...
We must not lose sight, the tories don't deserve to win the next general election...

Well, it's ok to have priorities. For me, the antisemitism is the most important issue, and I'd support the Tories to stop Corbyn.

This is one of the most disgusting smear campaigns of all time. It may destroy Corbyn but eventually people just aren't going to care anymore. Seems people forget the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

If you've been paying attention at all, this is the story of "there are about a thousand wolves here we should panick". Because the examples for antisemitism in Labour and its leader are so numerous that it's pretty hard to follow at this point. Just read anything on this thread, it's so damning that calling it "A WITCH HUNT" is either blinding yourself because you don't want to see the truth about people of your ideology, or outright supporting the disgusting way Labour has been recently treating this issue. Either way, yet another proof that the Jews can never be calm when completely at the mercy of the other people. We just make the perfect boogeymen.

No, this is just people who don't like Corbyn crying wolf over and over again.

http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/statement-on-labours-problem-with-antisemitism-from-the-jewish-socialists-g

You can say that as much as you want, but no one provided any rebuttal of substance to the dozens of reports in this thread. Each of these things, like the wreath-laying, the refusal to accept the recognized term for antisemitism, the praise for Jew-murdering terorrorists etc etc might not be enough alone to prove antisemitism alone, but all together, with the fact that Corbyn refused to apologize for all of them and with the hostility many Labour activists and even members displayed for Jews? This is just such an overwhelming, piling amount of evidence that ignoring it is blind. And no, showing Jews defending Labour holds as much water as far-right African American groups, leftists should know better than to use fig leaves to ignore accusations of racism because this is one of the most frequent strategies racists use. Jews can be as willfully blind as every other person for the sake of their ideology, so I'm not surprised that "Jewish Socialists" would defend Corbyn.

This addresses the term of antisemitism.
https://forward.com/opinion/407456/why-corbyn-s-definition-of-anti-semitism-is-actually-what-jews-need/

Where did he praise Jew murdering terrorists?

The media has always been against Corbyn, so you really shouldn't go by how over the top the coverage is. Claiming that Corbyn is anti-semtitic just makes you look like a bandwagoner here.

He called Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends' and later regretted "using that phrase". Also this:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3674146/jeremy-corbyn-faces-fury-after-calling-banned-palestinian-terror-group-hamas-serious-and-hardworking/

Honestly, his comments are so numerous that ignoring it is hilarious. And that's without mentioning the rest of Labour. And c'mon, the moment you start blaming the media for everything you should know you're wrong. Will you start calling them "the fake news media" soon? What about "enemies of the people"? Sure, the media isn't nearly perfect but the evidence here is overwhelming, and they're also not pro-Israel at all. In fact, the media constantly peddles anti-Israeli lies and frames stories in an outrageous way, for example, writing that "a Palestinian was killed" in the headline when covering a terror attack by said Palestinian.

Well, obviously that was a mistake to call them friends. Perhaps Israel shouldn't have helped create Hamas.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

And what do you mean by the rest of Labour? Like every random tweet ever made? Because that's a meaningless distraction.

The idea that the media is always right is absurd. The media reported on Iraqi WMD. The media reported on chair throwing Bernie supporters. The media reports on lots of things that aren't real. I don't know about the UK media, but the US media definitely favors Israel. But in any case, the issue here is that people are conflating criticism of the current Israeli government and how they are treating Palestinians with anti-semitism. Those are 2 different things.

Now don't get me wrong, I have seen some anti-semitism regarding Israel, where people say that Jewish politicians serve Israel first. But any criticism of the government, supporting the Palestinian rights, and opposing how our government enables an apartheid situation there is definitely not anti-semitism.

[dead0man]

subtle

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

It doesn't matter how many insanely suicidal Jewish groups people post saying "Actually the Jews have it coming" or whatever twisted rationale it is today. They're irrelevant tokens. Might as well be posting Alan Keyes making the case that blacks commit most of the crimes so mass incarceration is okay.

I think we all know what Corbyn is at this point, but what's really been instrumental about this crisis is just how many people not just stand by him, but stand by his anti-semitic beliefs.

Thank God this world has Israel to keep it in check.

[Horus]

It doesn't matter how many insanely suicidal Jewish groups people post saying "Actually the Jews have it coming" or whatever twisted rationale it is today. They're irrelevant tokens. Might as well be posting Alan Keyes making the case that blacks commit most of the crimes so mass incarceration is okay.

I think we all know what Corbyn is at this point, but what's really been instrumental about this crisis is just how many people not just stand by him, but stand by his anti-semitic beliefs.

Thank God this world has Israel to keep it in check.

Are you always this disrespectful towards Holocaust survivors? Tokens? Really?

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

It doesn't matter how many insanely suicidal Jewish groups people post saying "Actually the Jews have it coming" or whatever twisted rationale it is today. They're irrelevant tokens. Might as well be posting Alan Keyes making the case that blacks commit most of the crimes so mass incarceration is okay.

I think we all know what Corbyn is at this point, but what's really been instrumental about this crisis is just how many people not just stand by him, but stand by his anti-semitic beliefs.

Thank God this world has Israel to keep it in check.

Are you always this disrespectful towards Holocaust survivors? Tokens? Really?

Are you referring to Hajo Meyer? The Hajo Meyer who spread the blood libel that Israel was equivalent to the Nazis and believed in 9/11 conspiracies? He was obviously a very sick man whose trauma turned him into a useful tool for those who wanted to begin the cycle anew.

Regardless, let me make this very clear. There is NOTHING - no background. no trauma. NOTHING - that makes supporting Strasser on the Thames and his (currently) cold war against the Jewish population of Britain morally acceptable.

[America Needs R'hllor]

It doesn't matter how many insanely suicidal Jewish groups people post saying "Actually the Jews have it coming" or whatever twisted rationale it is today. They're irrelevant tokens. Might as well be posting Alan Keyes making the case that blacks commit most of the crimes so mass incarceration is okay.

I think we all know what Corbyn is at this point, but what's really been instrumental about this crisis is just how many people not just stand by him, but stand by his anti-semitic beliefs.

Thank God this world has Israel to keep it in check.

Are you always this disrespectful towards Holocaust survivors? Tokens? Really?

Are you referring to Hajo Meyer? The Hajo Meyer who spread the blood libel that Israel was equivalent to the Nazis and believed in 9/11 conspiracies? He was obviously a very sick man whose trauma turned him into a useful tool for those who wanted to begin the cycle anew.

Indeed. I won't attack him because he's just a misguided man and he went through a lot, but it doesn't make him right. Actually, the far-left cynically using his status as a holocaust survivor to argue he's right and to defend themselves from accusations is quite disgusting. I mean, Ray didn't even mention him, he was referring to the Socialist Jews group. So I wonder why he was brought up.

[Silent Hunter]

He'd probably be too pro-Israel for Corbyn.

[DavidB.]

It doesn't matter how many insanely suicidal Jewish groups people post saying "Actually the Jews have it coming" or whatever twisted rationale it is today. They're irrelevant tokens. Might as well be posting Alan Keyes making the case that blacks commit most of the crimes so mass incarceration is okay.

I think we all know what Corbyn is at this point, but what's really been instrumental about this crisis is just how many people not just stand by him, but stand by his anti-semitic beliefs.

Thank God this world has Israel to keep it in check.

Are you always this disrespectful towards Holocaust survivors? Tokens? Really?

I thought you denied the Holocaust?

[America Needs R'hllor]

It doesn't matter how many insanely suicidal Jewish groups people post saying "Actually the Jews have it coming" or whatever twisted rationale it is today. They're irrelevant tokens. Might as well be posting Alan Keyes making the case that blacks commit most of the crimes so mass incarceration is okay.

I think we all know what Corbyn is at this point, but what's really been instrumental about this crisis is just how many people not just stand by him, but stand by his anti-semitic beliefs.

Thank God this world has Israel to keep it in check.

Are you always this disrespectful towards Holocaust survivors? Tokens? Really?

I thought you denied the Holocaust?

*Disgusting antisemitism*

Reported, this is repugnant. Also, it's funny that you use the "Israel didn't exist" argument considering Palestine didn't either.

[Horus]

It doesn't matter how many insanely suicidal Jewish groups people post saying "Actually the Jews have it coming" or whatever twisted rationale it is today. They're irrelevant tokens. Might as well be posting Alan Keyes making the case that blacks commit most of the crimes so mass incarceration is okay.

I think we all know what Corbyn is at this point, but what's really been instrumental about this crisis is just how many people not just stand by him, but stand by his anti-semitic beliefs.

Thank God this world has Israel to keep it in check.

Are you always this disrespectful towards Holocaust survivors? Tokens? Really?

I thought you denied the Holocaust?

*Disgusting antisemitism*

Reported, this is repugnant. Also, it's funny that you use the "Israel didn't exist" argument considering Palestine didn't either.

Go ahead. I've posted on this form for 15 years and only been cited once, I will gladly take a second one. People like David are incredibly hurtful and harmful to the Jewish Community, especially the diaspora. Calling him a Nazi was tame.

[Silent Hunter]

The thing about the Israel/Nazi comparison falls flat when you read about Corbyn meeting with a jailed and released Hamas leader. The Nazis would have hanged him.

Israel has executed precisely two people in its history and one of those was Adolf Eichmann.

[Torie]

Some of the comments here enrage me. Calling a Jew and his ancestors a Nazi, and then denying that poster his religion (I guess because one of his parents was not Jewish) perhaps to try to legitimize the Nazi name calling in the posters mind, is akin to launching a thermonuclear war against a poster. It saddens me that some think it OK to be so personally hurtful to a poster because one disagrees with their opinion on some issues. There is no defense to such conduct. It's just pure evil.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Corbynists never fail to live down to even the most basic expectations of human decency.

[Intell]

Corbynists never fail to live down to even the most basic expectations of human decency.

Right-Wingers/Neo-Cons support countless wars and strikes all over the world resulting in the murder of countless civilians but sure 'human decency' only when it pertains to Corbyn Supporters.

[Silent Hunter]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Corbynists never fail to live down to even the most basic expectations of human decency.

You guys support countless wars and strikes all over the world resulting in the murder of countless civilians but sure 'human decency'.

Oh, this is interesting. Who exactly is "you guys"? Because this is either a really senseless derailment, or something much more sinister.

[DavidB.]

Corbynists never fail to live down to even the most basic expectations of human decency.

You guys support countless wars and strikes all over the world resulting in the murder of countless civilians but sure 'human decency'.

Oof. Your antisemitism is showing. There are quite some people that I expected this from, but you weren't among them.

[Intell]

Corbynists never fail to live down to even the most basic expectations of human decency.

You guys support countless wars and strikes all over the world resulting in the murder of countless civilians but sure 'human decency'.

Oof. Your antisemitism is showing. There are quite some people that I expected this from, but you weren't among them.

"You Guys" sounds bad, really bad now thinking about it. It was meant to be a sensless derailment and frustration against neoon/right-wing hypocricy.

[dead0man]

...when whataboutism goes wrong.  Be careful out there kids.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Corbynists never fail to live down to even the most basic expectations of human decency.

You guys support countless wars and strikes all over the world resulting in the murder of countless civilians but sure 'human decency'.

Oof. Your antisemitism is showing. There are quite some people that I expected this from, but you weren't among them.

"You Guys" sounds bad, really bad now thinking about it. It was meant to be a sensless derailment and frustration against neoon/right-wing hypocricy.

Ftr, I understood what you meant and know full well you have nothing against Jews. The fact that you clarified just reinforces that, so you defintely have my respect.

[LabourJersey]

I may regret entering this thread, but doesn't it seem that the hyper-focus on Corbyn and his folks in the Labour Party right now seem like a distraction from Brexit?

As nasty and inexcusable as Corbyn's condoning and his actions are, the pattern of this actions isn't exactly new.

And given how utterly consumed British politics is by Brexit, this focus on anti-semitism strikes me as a useful angle for papers and tabloids to have something else to talk about.

Thoughts?

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

I may regret entering this thread, but doesn't it seem that the hyper-focus on Corbyn and his folks in the Labour Party right now seem like a distraction from Brexit?

As nasty and inexcusable as Corbyn's condoning and his actions are, the pattern of this actions isn't exactly new.

And given how utterly consumed British politics is by Brexit, this focus on anti-semitism strikes me as a useful angle for papers and tabloids to have something else to talk about.

Thoughts?

I'm not from the UK, but the Brexit thing is in a really weird place, isn't it? The party in favor of Brexit is led by a Brexit skeptic who doesn't seem to know what to do, while the party opposed to Brexit is led by an EU-skeptic who has become increasingly soft on Brexit.

I think you're right that the media doesn't quite want to talk about Brexit because they don't really know how to cover it. No one quite knows the effects it'll have or how it'll be done. But the fast-growing anti-semitism scandal isn't a distraction so much as it is a much easier and certain topic to cover. The way it's unfolding a mile a minute hasn't helped slow the coverage.

[dead0man]

I may regret entering this thread, but doesn't it seem that the hyper-focus on Corbyn and his folks in the Labour Party right now seem like a distraction from Brexit?

As nasty and inexcusable as Corbyn's condoning and his actions are, the pattern of this actions isn't exactly new.

And given how utterly consumed British politics is by Brexit, this focus on anti-semitism strikes me as a useful angle for papers and tabloids to have something else to talk about.

Thoughts?

maybe this would be true, but the way Labour has handled it (and at times, doubling down on the racism) makes how much attention it's getting make perfect sense.

[All Along The Watchtower]

...when whataboutism goes wrong.  Be careful out there kids.

Why do you, a white American, love Israel so much? Because they kill brown people and thumb their nose at the world/international law while they destroy the Palestinian population? Be honest.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

...when whataboutism goes wrong.  Be careful out there kids.

Why do you, a white American, love Israel so much? Because they kill brown people and thumb their nose at the world/international law while they destroy the Palestinian population? Be honest.

Boy, you sure are doing a great job of convincing us that anti-semitism is a bygone issue and not a pressing issue.