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« on: April 05, 2018, 01:20:06 AM »

This guy's tone-deafness is astounding. I guess he won't rest until he loses the black vote 0-100.



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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2018, 01:22:11 AM »

He was never a great fan of B.O., even talked about a primary challenger in 2012. I hope Bernie doesn't run in 2020.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2018, 01:27:17 AM »

Sanders is unquestionably tone-deaf and I hope the closest he ever comes to the oval office is a guided tour, but I don’t see this as “trashing Obama.” He’s trying to push the party in his direction at a time when much of the party has been romanticizing the past decade, distracted by the juggernaut that Obama was.

All Bernie is saying, for once, is that there are severe underlying issues with the way the Democratic party operates, and that Obama’s brilliance as a politician and chief executive makes it difficult for some to look beyond his personal strengths. He’s saying that in spite of Obama’s successes, for all they’re worth, the Democratic party needs to be reformed.

This was not the right time or place to start that discussion, though.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2018, 01:36:55 AM »

Obama was fine but he wasn’t a saint. Criticism should be given when due.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2018, 06:25:46 AM »

Obama was fine but he wasn’t a saint. Criticism should be given when due.

Which is at an event commemorating MLK in a 80% black city?
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2018, 06:37:52 AM »

Obama was fine but he wasn’t a saint. Criticism should be given when due.

Which is at an event commemorating MLK in a 80% black city?
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2018, 07:01:49 AM »

Obama was fine but he wasn’t a saint. Criticism should be given when due.

Which is at an event commemorating MLK in a 80% black city?
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2018, 07:53:25 AM »
« Edited: April 05, 2018, 07:56:37 AM by Del Tachi »

Obama was fine but he wasn’t a saint. Criticism should be given when due.

Which is at an event commemorating MLK in a 80% black city?

Is the implication here that Barack Obama should escape criticism because he is Black?  Because that doesn't exactly seem fair to me.   Or would it have been fine if Sanders' criticism came while he was speaking in an 80% White city?

Obama's presidency was definitely a watershed moment for African-Americans and other racial minorities in this country, but if that makes him unsubject to criticism that has absolutely nothing to do with his race then we have to ask how far we really have come.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2018, 07:54:41 AM »

What context even allowed him to talk about Obama?
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2018, 07:58:53 AM »

What context even allowed him to talk about Obama?

He's a national politician who is seen as a leader within the Democratic party?  People apparently value his opinions on the way that the party is run
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2018, 08:01:47 AM »

What context even allowed him to talk about Obama?

He's a national politician who is seen as a leader within the Democratic party?  People apparently value his opinions on the way that the party is run

Yes, but he went there to honor MLK not Obama so he was obviously diverted off message somehow.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2018, 08:10:34 AM »

What context even allowed him to talk about Obama?

He's a national politician who is seen as a leader within the Democratic party?  People apparently value his opinions on the way that the party is run

Yes, but he went there to honor MLK not Obama so he was obviously diverted off message somehow.

No he was there to campaign and gain media exposure just like any politician who has ever attended a public event. 
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2018, 08:27:21 AM »

These comments were incredibly tone deaf. I am tired of Bernie's grandstanding and judging by his only 20% support in the primaries, it looks like a lot of 2016 Bernie supporters are looking for someone different.
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2018, 08:30:53 AM »

Obama was fine but he wasn’t a saint. Criticism should be given when due.

Which is at an event commemorating MLK in a 80% black city?

Is the implication here that Barack Obama should escape criticism because he is Black?  Because that doesn't exactly seem fair to me.   Or would it have been fine if Sanders' criticism came while he was speaking in an 80% White city?

Obama's presidency was definitely a watershed moment for African-Americans and other racial minorities in this country, but if that makes him unsubject to criticism that has absolutely nothing to do with his race then we have to ask how far we really have come.

He was disparaging the country’s first and only black president at an event remembering the work and death of the most famous civil rights icon in America. It’s like speaking at somebody’s funeral and trashing their friend. Not the right time or location.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2018, 08:31:30 AM »

These comments were incredibly tone deaf. I am tired of Bernie's grandstanding and judging by his only 20% support in the primaries, it looks like a lot of 2016 Bernie supporters are looking for someone different.

I think a lot of Sanders 2016 support was more of an anti-Hillary vote than a pro-Bernie one.
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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2018, 08:40:57 AM »

These comments were incredibly tone deaf. I am tired of Bernie's grandstanding and judging by his only 20% support in the primaries, it looks like a lot of 2016 Bernie supporters are looking for someone different.

I think a lot of Sanders 2016 support was more of an anti-Hillary vote than a pro-Bernie one.

i don't agree. I think a lot of people want more progressive policies.

But they want to see it from someone different from Bernie.
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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2018, 08:51:14 AM »

These comments were incredibly tone deaf. I am tired of Bernie's grandstanding and judging by his only 20% support in the primaries, it looks like a lot of 2016 Bernie supporters are looking for someone different.

I think a lot of Sanders 2016 support was more of an anti-Hillary vote than a pro-Bernie one.

i don't agree. I think a lot of people want more progressive policies.

But they want to see it from someone different from Bernie.

Oh I expressed myself badly. Sorry. I meant, that a lot of people who voted for Bernie in 2016 probably voted for him because he was the only progressive alternative to Hillary. Now that there might be a lot more options, they are looking somewhere else.
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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2018, 08:59:00 AM »

These comments were incredibly tone deaf. I am tired of Bernie's grandstanding and judging by his only 20% support in the primaries, it looks like a lot of 2016 Bernie supporters are looking for someone different.

I think a lot of Sanders 2016 support was more of an anti-Hillary vote than a pro-Bernie one.

i don't agree. I think a lot of people want more progressive policies.

But they want to see it from someone different from Bernie.

On Atlas? Sure. In most polling? Maybe, given that basically every poll has included Sanders and Warren when I doubt both will be running.

It seems events like these make Atlas hate him and view him as a whiny attention whore who'd get nothing done, a general contradiction from his record in the Senate.  The idea that Bernie was the only one fighting on all the key issues has seem to worn out his welcome a long time ago here.
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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2018, 09:02:17 AM »

These comments were incredibly tone deaf. I am tired of Bernie's grandstanding and judging by his only 20% support in the primaries, it looks like a lot of 2016 Bernie supporters are looking for someone different.

I think a lot of Sanders 2016 support was more of an anti-Hillary vote than a pro-Bernie one.

i don't agree. I think a lot of people want more progressive policies.

But they want to see it from someone different from Bernie.

On Atlas? Sure. In most polling? Maybe, given that basically every poll has included Sanders and Warren when I doubt both will be running.

It seems events like these make Atlas hate him and view him as a whiny attention whore who'd get nothing done, a general contradiction from his record in the Senate.  The idea that Bernie was the only one fighting on all the key issues has seem to worn out his welcome a long time ago here.

atlas is almost 90% white, whereas a dem primary is about 60% white

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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2018, 09:03:15 AM »

While I can agree with Bernie MLK is being unfairly overlooked at times, it wasn't a smart thing to say.
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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2018, 09:05:45 AM »



sounds like it played well, so yeah, keep on concern trolling
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2018, 09:27:22 AM »

Obama wasn’t perfect but to pretend that a lot of those seats weren’t lost just because the face of the Democratic Party was a black man and nothing else would be intellectually dishonest.
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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2018, 09:51:56 AM »



sounds like it played well, so yeah, keep on concern trolling
Oh f##k off, you don't have to be a resistance twitter bot to understand that a memorial for MLK is the wrong time to complain about Obama.
These comments were incredibly tone deaf. I am tired of Bernie's grandstanding and judging by his only 20% support in the primaries, it looks like a lot of 2016 Bernie supporters are looking for someone different.

I think a lot of Sanders 2016 support was more of an anti-Hillary vote than a pro-Bernie one.

i don't agree. I think a lot of people want more progressive policies.

But they want to see it from someone different from Bernie.
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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2018, 09:53:06 AM »



Oh would you look at that, Sanders was correct about the perilous state of the Democratic Party. Again.
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« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2018, 10:08:35 AM »

Oh would you look at that, Sanders was correct about the perilous state of the Democratic Party. Again.

If Bernie Sanders really cared about the Democratic Party, he could at the very least put a (D) after his name. You can't both demand a party reform in your image, while reinforcing your own independence from that same party. It makes no sense.
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