Do You Care About Stormy Daniels?

[JA]

Stormy Daniels is another distraction pushed by the mainstream media to ignore important issues like the Yemeni genocide and Israel shooting disarmed people at Gaza. Same for russiagate.

[FairBol]

Not a darn bit.  Even if the allegations are true, Bill Clinton did the same thing.  Where was the outrage from the liberals then? :: shrugs ::

[Fuzzy Bear]

White Evangelicals are trash. 

Harsh. But unfortunately seemingly true - at least in a general sense. I'm sure there's a few decent non-hypocritical white evangelicals out there. They should speak up.

And say what, specifically?

You tell me.  You're signing off on a post where a poster is referring to Evangelical believers of a particular race as "trash".  You.  You're signing off on it.  So please, tell me what I must say to not be trash.  What is it you want White Evangelicals to say and/or do to not be "trash" in your eyes?

[Panda Express]

White Evangelicals are trash. 

Harsh. But unfortunately seemingly true - at least in a general sense. I'm sure there's a few decent non-hypocritical white evangelicals out there. They should speak up.

And say what, specifically?

You tell me.  You're signing off on a post where a poster is referring to Evangelical believers of a particular race as "trash".  You.  You're signing off on it.  So please, tell me what I must say to not be trash.  What is it you want White Evangelicals to say and/or do to not be "trash" in your eyes?

There’s a reason why the number of people identifying as Evangelicals is plummeting and why they’re actually getting less and less influence - disgusting hypocrisy. You people have nobody else to blame for that but yourselves. You’re upset because you are discovering that hitching yourself to Trump was the absolute worst thing your movement could have done. Oh and here’s another good article about Evangelical hypocrisy - this one is about various leaders

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/03/31/they-back-trump-evangelical-leaders-face-their-own-sex-scandals/9JwpnbdWzHOzQ7tEAmxUPN/story.html

[Fuzzy Bear]

White Evangelicals are trash.  

Harsh. But unfortunately seemingly true - at least in a general sense. I'm sure there's a few decent non-hypocritical white evangelicals out there. They should speak up.

And say what, specifically?

You tell me.  You're signing off on a post where a poster is referring to Evangelical believers of a particular race as "trash".  You.  You're signing off on it.  So please, tell me what I must say to not be trash.  What is it you want White Evangelicals to say and/or do to not be "trash" in your eyes?

There’s a reason why the number of people identifying as Evangelicals is plummeting and why they’re actually getting less and less influence - disgusting hypocrisy. You people have nobody else to blame for that but yourselves. You’re upset because you are discovering that hitching yourself to Trump was the absolute worst thing your movement could have done. Oh and here’s another good article about Evangelical hypocrisy - this one is about various leaders

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/03/31/they-back-trump-evangelical-leaders-face-their-own-sex-scandals/9JwpnbdWzHOzQ7tEAmxUPN/story.html

Of course, the press did not cover Rev. Mike Thompson, pastor of a small church in Florida.  Pastor Thompson drove a long distance to pray for my son in a hospital.  He and his wife, in their sixties, adopted a black foster child from a difficult situation.  He was faithful to his wife and his congregation for decades before his death.

The press only covered Rev. Lindsay Croft and his wife Lucille when they were brutally murdered in 1999.  They did not cover their years of faithful Christian service, of being faithfully married, of living modestly and preaching the Gospel as they were called.  

I could name 50 more of such faithful men.  Faithful to the Lord and to the folks they pastored.  

To criticize the Evangelical movement is one thing.  To refer to all White Evangelicals as "trash" is something that would not be accepted here if I said it about any other group, and especially if I limited it to only members of a particular race of that group.

I've posted many times as to the dilemma about Trump and Evangelicals.  Evangelicals do owe a bit of an apology to Bill Clinton, given how they spared Trump their attacks on moral issues, but there is also no question that Trump's issue positions were (and are) more reflective of Scripture on social issues than those of Hillary Clinton, and that Trump's Court appointments were likely to be more supportive of the Evangelical view on abortion and other social issues and religious freedom issues than Clinton appointees would have been.  I do believe that Evangelicals should not pretend Trump is a Christian; if he is, I have not heard from him a confession of Saving Faith.  But how hypocritical would Evangelicals be if they endorsed a candidate whose priority was to endorse abortion on demand, same-sex marriage, rolling back school choice, the importance of encouraging family formation and maintenance?  These issues are relevant Biblically.  Would Evangelicals not be hypocrites in choosing a candidate who clearly does not share their public policy views on these issues?

I would ask, however:  If it's OK to refer to White Evangelicals as "trash", which groups is it NOT OK to refer to as "trash"?  Be specific in your answer.  I sorely need guidance.
 

[Panda Express]

But how hypocritical would Evangelicals be if they endorsed a candidate whose priority was to endorse abortion on demand, same-sex marriage, rolling back school choice, the importance of encouraging family formation and maintenance?  

Not very since

1. Abortion isn’t in the Bible (and abortion policy was never going to change even with Trump elected)
2. Trump supported same-sex marriage as do the majority of the good folks nationwide
3. Not sure what school choice has to do with the Bible. Help me out here?
4. Family formation? You mean cheating on your third wife to raw-dog a porn star after she just gave birth?

BUt, the issue isn’t why you voted for Trump, it’s why you still support him. Bill Clinton hasn’t been president is 20 years. Anyone under the age of 40 never even voted for him. Hillary is a private citizen now. They are done.  

It is pathetic that you keep deflecting to them. If you people want to be taken seriously and you want to convince folks you are right, you need to learn to defend without trying to distract with irrelevant people. I want to hear why you support Trump and I want to know what he has done for you, personally. Can you defend him without deflecting to Hillary or are you insecure?

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You’ve been manipulated over the years to think they are but no, issues like “school choice” are not important biblically.

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Here are the Seven Deadly sins in case you’ve forgotten


1. Greed
2. Gluttony
3. Lust
4. Sloth
5. Envy
6. Wrath
7. Pride

You are hypocrites for supporting a candidate who epitomizes all of these in such an extreme way.

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You do need guidance, you’re having a tough time with all of this. Fortunately, I am here to help


It’s probably not good to refer to people as trash. So the post was rightly deleted. Hypocritical morons, full of crap etc would have been better to say

HOWEVER, when you lie down with trash, and get the smell of trash,  you run the risk of folks mistaking you for trash

[GoTfan]

Of course not. We should be focusing on Trump’s terrible policy and the fact that he’s ruining our country, not tabloid gossip.

Yep. Between the Austin Bombings, the death of Stephon Clark, the March for our Lives, etc. the Daniels story seems another example of the media making a problem bigger than it seems. Not that it isn't a problem, but there are bigger problems out there, like Trump's policies.

That's not what we're saying, and you know it, you nitwit.

[Rookie Yinzer]

But how hypocritical would Evangelicals be if they endorsed a candidate whose priority was to endorse abortion on demand, same-sex marriage, rolling back school choice, the importance of encouraging family formation and maintenance?  

Not very since

1. Abortion isn’t in the Bible (and abortion policy was never going to change even with Trump elected)
2. Trump supported same-sex marriage as do the majority of the good folks nationwide
3. Not sure what school choice has to do with the Bible. Help me out here?
4. Family formation? You mean cheating on your third wife to raw-dog a porn star after she just gave birth?

BUt, the issue isn’t why you voted for Trump, it’s why you still support him. Bill Clinton hasn’t been president is 20 years. Anyone under the age of 40 never even voted for him. Hillary is a private citizen now. They are done.  

It is pathetic that you keep deflecting to them. If you people want to be taken seriously and you want to convince folks you are right, you need to learn to defend without trying to distract with irrelevant people. I want to hear why you support Trump and I want to know what he has done for you, personally. Can you defend him without deflecting to Hillary or are you insecure?

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You’ve been manipulated over the years to think they are but no, issues like “school choice” are not important biblically.

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Here are the Seven Deadly sins in case you’ve forgotten


1. Greed
2. Gluttony
3. Lust
4. Sloth
5. Envy
6. Wrath
7. Pride

You are hypocrites for supporting a candidate who epitomizes all of these in such an extreme way.

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You do need guidance, you’re having a tough time with all of this. Fortunately, I am here to help


It’s probably not good to refer to people as trash. So the post was rightly deleted. Hypocritical morons, full of crap etc would have been better to say

HOWEVER, when you lie down with trash, and get the smell of trash,  you run the risk of folks mistaking you for trash

Yes! Yes! And more yes!

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Honestly, if all previous things haven't sunk Trump, it won't.

[Badger]

Given what we know so far about the Trump campaign's conduct, the possibility his campaign violated election law to the tune of over a hundred thousand dollars is certainly relevant. So is the possibility that he personally order ordered  a death threat. That he was pushing unconscionable (and likely illegal) NDAs on multiple women is also a matter of public relevance (as it speak to his very low character, and thus is another part of his unfitness to act as President).

That the entire affair is politically and personally damaging to him is merely a side-benefit for those of us opposed to Trump. The Orange Crook should have been impeached long since for his open violation of the emoluments clause, but his hateful cult obviously isn't going to do that. (If they had, this would be of little relevance to the public, although still a matter for the justice system.)  As to whether or not it should be getting the attention it is... we live in an imperfect world, and must play with the cards we are dealt.

Yep. The cheating and the sex aren't what matters, its the cover up.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Don Trump (R-Moscow) seems to care.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/986547093610299392?p=v

I can't see why he's so concerned. It's the sort of thing people would associate with an amoral scumbag known for consorting with criminals, not the President of the United States.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Don Drumpf (R-Moscow) seems to care.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldDrumpf/status/986547093610299392?p=v

I can't see why he's so concerned. It's the sort of thing people would associate with an amoral scumbag known for consorting with criminals, not the President of the United States.

When it comes to "con jobs" nothing can compare to what Trump has pulled.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Apparently Trumpy cared a lot more than he admitted.

Giuliani: Trump repaid lawyer Cohen for Stormy Daniels settlement

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[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

I don't care about the core of the story, at least not to any meaningful degree. I do care about the lies.

[Grassroots]

No, Monica Lewinsky didn't make me lose my nonpolitical respect for president Clinton, and neither will Stormy Daniels make me lose any further respect for Trump.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Kinda.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Not a darn bit.  Even if the allegations are true, Bill Clinton did the same thing.  Where was the outrage from the liberals then? :: shrugs ::

Bill Clinton violated financial disclosure laws to make a payoff?

You should totally go public with your evidence!

[Middle-aged Europe]

It's really only relevant if Stormy's claim that she was physically threatened is true and/or if campaign finance laws were broken in paying her the hush money. But I guess Mueller is already looking into that.

[Tintrlvr]

It's really only relevant if Stormy's claim that she was physically threatened is true and/or if campaign finance laws were broken in paying her the hush money. But I guess Mueller is already looking into that.

Yeah, the possible illegal conduct part is relevant but the rest is just an annoying sideshow.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

It's really only relevant if Stormy's claim that she was physically threatened is true and/or if campaign finance laws were broken in paying her the hush money. But I guess Mueller is already looking into that.

Not just campaign finance. Giuliani explicitly stated that $130,000 total in payments from Trump to Cohen were  spread out over more than a year. It's  possible that's just typical Trump being delinquent on his debts as usual. It is also how long it would take if the payments were deliberately structured to hide them from federal reporting requirements. Which is illegal.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

It's really only relevant if Stormy's claim that she was physically threatened is true and/or if campaign finance laws were broken in paying her the hush money. But I guess Mueller is already looking into that.

Not just campaign finance. Giuliani explicitly stated that $130,000 total in payments from Trump to Cohen were  spread out over more than a year. It's  possible that's just typical Trump being delinquent on his debts as usual. It is also how long it would take if the payments were deliberately structured to hide them from federal reporting requirements. Which is illegal.

For anyone not familiar with this, that's what Dennis Hastert was convicted of.

[Mr. Reactionary]

The only 2 Trump scandals that are more important than Stormy Daniels are hooker piss gate and Covfefe gate. The media should only cover these 3 important issues until the midterms are through.

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No, but it's certainly got more to it than the whole Russia nonsense, and Rudy Giuliani's attempt to defend him was LOL.

[BenBurch]

I don’t think a lot of people voting “no” are thinking this through. There are a lot of reasons to care about this and dismissing it as “tabloid gossip” is low-intellect

- It shows that the President of the United States is susceptible to being blackmailed. Who knows who else Trump has paid “hush money” to or who else has leverage?
  
- The coverup is worse than the “crime” and there are a lot of areas where Cohen can be exposed

- How do you think this makes the United States look in the eyes of he rest of the world? The president got spanked with a magazine by a porn star 35 years younger than him right after his wife had given birth. Can’t call yourself a patriot if you support a man who debases the office and country like this.

- Watching the Evangelicals (long a negative and grossly hypocritical force on politics) destroy their influence and credibility over this is hilarious, let’s be honest.

I'm sick of all the Evangelical bashing.  We aren't being hypocrites at all.  We can recognize that he hasn't acted in the greatest way personally (only God and Trump himself know if he has since accepted Christ), but politically support him because his policies align with our values.  At the end of the day, a president's policies matter a million (billion? trillion?) times more than his personal life.

Policies you say? What policies? Abortion is still as legal as it has ever been, gay marriage is still legal, the USA is more secular than it was 10 years ago (and will be even more secular 10 years from now), Democrats are winning special elections left and right and here is no wall that Mexico paid for. If anything, all the election of Trump has done is pushed the country to the left.

Seems like you guys got a raw deal

Uh, there currently is no way to make those policies illegal, so no, we didn't get a raw deal.

[Fuzzy Bear]

But how hypocritical would Evangelicals be if they endorsed a candidate whose priority was to endorse abortion on demand, same-sex marriage, rolling back school choice, the importance of encouraging family formation and maintenance?  

Not very since

1. Abortion isn’t in the Bible (and abortion policy was never going to change even with Trump elected)
2. Trump supported same-sex marriage as do the majority of the good folks nationwide
3. Not sure what school choice has to do with the Bible. Help me out here?
4. Family formation? You mean cheating on your third wife to raw-dog a porn star after she just gave birth?

BUt, the issue isn’t why you voted for Trump, it’s why you still support him. Bill Clinton hasn’t been president is 20 years. Anyone under the age of 40 never even voted for him. Hillary is a private citizen now. They are done.  

It is pathetic that you keep deflecting to them. If you people want to be taken seriously and you want to convince folks you are right, you need to learn to defend without trying to distract with irrelevant people. I want to hear why you support Trump and I want to know what he has done for you, personally. Can you defend him without deflecting to Hillary or are you insecure?

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You’ve been manipulated over the years to think they are but no, issues like “school choice” are not important biblically.

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Here are the Seven Deadly sins in case you’ve forgotten


1. Greed
2. Gluttony
3. Lust
4. Sloth
5. Envy
6. Wrath
7. Pride

You are hypocrites for supporting a candidate who epitomizes all of these in such an extreme way.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

You do need guidance, you’re having a tough time with all of this. Fortunately, I am here to help


It’s probably not good to refer to people as trash. So the post was rightly deleted. Hypocritical morons, full of crap etc would have been better to say

HOWEVER, when you lie down with trash, and get the smell of trash,  you run the risk of folks mistaking you for trash

Yes! Yes! And more yes!

So lets apply this to the supporters of Michael Brown in Ferguson, MO.  Here's a man who, on camera, committed a violent strong-arm robbery against a frail storekeeper, and was unconcerned and unrepentant.  Yes, I know there are broader issues surrounding Michael Brown and his death (which was ruled justifiable).  There are broader issues around Donald Trump as well.

I've yet to hear a Michael Brown supporter express sympathy for his frail female victim.  I've yet to hear a Michael Brown supporter convey sympathy to her, or her family.  I've heard a lot about violence against women in this forum, but here was a man who committed a violent act against a defenseless woman, and he's lionized because he's killed resisting a lawful arrest. 

People who commit strong-arm robberies against defenseless women are trash, are they not?  Michael Brown supporters have lay down with trash, have they not?  Does that make them trash according to the logic just presented?  Or is what's good for the goose not good for the gander here? 

I would suggest that it's long been time for folks to dial some of this stuff back.