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« on: January 26, 2018, 06:34:21 AM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Eshkol

third prime minister of Israel
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2018, 07:06:57 AM »

Massive FF.
While the generation of Israeli founders made many mistakes, like trying to force a cultural melting pot of their mythical "Israeli culture" on the Jews of European origin, Muslim countries and Slavic countries, which caused a divide that continues to this very day, there is no denying that they also established a powerful Israel, one of the strongest powers in the Middle East, with a strong economy, an effective healthcare system, and an educated population that lead to strong economic growth. These successes are being undermined right now by the ineffectuality of the last governments and their inability to see the need for investing in the future rather than only investing in the present for short-term political points.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2018, 07:52:51 AM »

Completely agreed with Parrotguy on Eshkol; but don't see what's wrong with the melting pot as long as a) Jewishness remains the principal part of Israeli identity (the Jewish vs. Israeli discussion) and b) groups are not forced to do away with their centuries-old diaspora heritage; instead, this Jewish heritage from all the different regions should be cherished.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2018, 09:36:32 AM »

Completely agreed with Parrotguy on Eshkol; but don't see what's wrong with the melting pot as long as a) Jewishness remains the principal part of Israeli identity (the Jewish vs. Israeli discussion) and b) groups are not forced to do away with their centuries-old diaspora heritage; instead, this Jewish heritage from all the different regions should be cherished.

I agree that general unitary melting pot issues are good- for example, Hebrew as the unviersal Israeli language and various traditions. But the early generation of founders tried very hard to stomp out the traditions and culture brought by the diaspora, and generally acted disrespectfully to impose Hebrew etc. That caused quite a few divides which are clear even today. You can see the difference between the first migrations from Russia and the last one, during the 90s- the Jews coming in the first few lost much of their culture and traditions, becoming essentially an indistinguishable part of the population (for example, Shimon Peres) while the later Jews brought with them their own traditions and were allowed to keep it (for example, Novey God, the secular Soviet New Year's Eve celebration). Of course, this also has the effect of many Russian Jews from the 90s migrations speaking soley Russian and not Hebrew (usually the parents of the migrants who didn't have to learn it for working and interacting, like my own grandparents) and a creation of a group of voters that added another divided sector to the country (which is seen in Lieberman's Yisrael Beytenu Party, for example). So I can't say that a melting pot is always bad, but I do believe that the founding generation should've acted more respectfully towards the migrants and didn't make them feel inferior.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2018, 11:31:12 AM »

Yeah, absolutely agreed when it comes to the crimes against Mizrahi Jews.
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2018, 12:38:17 PM »

I know little about past Israeli leaders except the terrorist Begin, but reading his Wikipedia page he seemed pretty decent. FF
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