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« on: May 01, 2004, 05:52:59 PM »

if Kerry loses the popular vote but wins the electoral, would you still support the electoral college?
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2004, 08:50:38 PM »

Yes I strongly favor the EC no matter what the results are. I think your signature and especially your name are very inflamatory.
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2004, 09:11:55 PM »

The Electoral College is one of the greatest political inventions in history.  It really doesn't matter if a candidate wins the EV but not the Popular Vote, because the popular vote does not matter in the slightest.  There's really no reason to even bother with the popular vote.  I really don't understand why everyone makes such a big deal of it.
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2004, 09:13:56 PM »

Yes, I would.  I would certainly hope that you Democrats would go on about how terrible it is that the popularly elected President didn't win though.
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2004, 09:17:02 PM »
« Edited: May 01, 2004, 09:17:16 PM by Senator ShapeShifter »

The Electoral College is one of the greatest political inventions in history.  It really doesn't matter if a candidate wins the EV but not the Popular Vote, because the popular vote does not matter in the slightest.  There's really no reason to even bother with the popular vote.  I really don't understand why everyone makes such a big deal of it.

No Big deal?

So, you feel that the minority should rule the earth? I don't know about that. I don't mind it happening once in awhile like 2000, but assume that it keeps happening. There going to be some really pissed of majority. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2004, 09:19:30 PM »

The Electoral College is one of the greatest political inventions in history.  It really doesn't matter if a candidate wins the EV but not the Popular Vote, because the popular vote does not matter in the slightest.  There's really no reason to even bother with the popular vote.  I really don't understand why everyone makes such a big deal of it.

No Big deal?

So, you feel that the minority should rule the earth? I don't know about that. I don't mind it happening once in awhile like 2000, but assume that it keeps happening. There going to be some really pissed of majority. Smiley

It won't keep happening.  One could arguee that winning the EC helped out your friend "Bubba".  If he hadn't won the EC, then he would have had absolutly no mandate from which to govern.  This has been true of many presidents.
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2004, 09:20:19 PM »
« Edited: May 01, 2004, 09:20:39 PM by supersoulty »

The Electoral College is one of the greatest political inventions in history.  It really doesn't matter if a candidate wins the EV but not the Popular Vote, because the popular vote does not matter in the slightest.  There's really no reason to even bother with the popular vote.  I really don't understand why everyone makes such a big deal of it.

No Big deal?

So, you feel that the minority should rule the earth? I don't know about that. I don't mind it happening once in awhile like 2000, but assume that it keeps happening. There going to be some really pissed of majority. Smiley

It won't keep happening.  One could arguee that winning the EC helped out your friend "Bubba".  If he hadn't won the EC, then he would have had absolutly no mandate from which to govern.  This has been true of many presidents.

Let me rephrase that:  If he had had no EC to win, then....
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2004, 09:21:50 PM »

Yes I strongly favor the EC no matter what the results are. I think your signature and especially your name are very inflamatory.

you clearly aren't a Woody Guthrie fan then. Actually neither am I, I don't like any music made before 1980, but man, Woody Guthrie was one awesome guy.
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2004, 10:09:40 PM »

The EC rules.  It will never change.  We should stop discussing it.  Changing the Constitution is an impossibility.  We can't even pass an amendment that prevents a man from marrying another man.  Who wears the wedding dress, or do they both wear tuxedos? I'm so confused.  
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2004, 10:24:01 PM »

The verdict of the EC is the verdict of the EC.  It doesn't matter who wins the popular vote in my opinion.  The system works just fine.
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2004, 10:38:18 PM »

The EC works fine and I have faith in the system.  If it produces a Democrat in the White House than so be it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2004, 11:24:23 PM »

No, I would not.  The purpose of the electoral college is to preserve the republica though favoring non-regional candidates, rural voters, and smaller states.  Its purpose is quite literally to produce a more right-wing result (little secret, the Founding Fathers would make the current GOP look like pinkos).  So, if it wasn't working properly, I'd say it should be reformed to increase the bias.
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2004, 11:31:48 PM »

No, I would not.  The purpose of the electoral college is to preserve the republica though favoring non-regional candidates, rural voters, and smaller states.  Its purpose is quite literally to produce a more right-wing result (little secret, the Founding Fathers would make the current GOP look like pinkos).  So, if it wasn't working properly, I'd say it should be reformed to increase the bias.

The founding fathers were pretty much in line with today's Constitution Party.
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2004, 07:49:52 AM »

I think we should switch to the PV.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2004, 12:52:47 PM »

A PV alone would destroy the whole basis of voting in this country. Unless a candidate came from a large state or major urban area your candidate would have a very little chance of election.
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2004, 11:57:46 AM »

I already support ditching the EC, so it wouldn't change my mind.  Even if that did happen, I wouldn't think too much of it because the PV isn't really representative peoples desires, since in 2/3 of the states, the elction is a foregone conclusion, so no one shows up.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2004, 12:09:26 PM »

lets keep the electoral college
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2004, 12:40:41 PM »

if Kerry loses the popular vote but wins the electoral, would you still support the electoral college?

Yes. The only thing that is remotely accurate is the EV.  There are errors in counting cast ballots and absentee ballots aren't counted at all if they don't affect the outcome of the state's EVs.
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2004, 12:43:11 PM »

if Kerry loses the popular vote but wins the electoral, would you still support the electoral college?

Yes, even if only for nostalgia.  It's the last bastion of federalism in a dying republic.
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2004, 01:00:10 PM »

The Electoral College is one of the greatest political inventions in history.  It really doesn't matter if a candidate wins the EV but not the Popular Vote, because the popular vote does not matter in the slightest.  There's really no reason to even bother with the popular vote.  I really don't understand why everyone makes such a big deal of it.

No Big deal?

So, you feel that the minority should rule the earth? I don't know about that. I don't mind it happening once in awhile like 2000, but assume that it keeps happening. There going to be some really pissed of majority. Smiley

It won't keep happening.  One could arguee that winning the EC helped out your friend "Bubba".  If he hadn't won the EC, then he would have had absolutly no mandate from which to govern.  This has been true of many presidents.

what? Clinton - his name isn't Bubba and I surely never call Bush Dumbya - won the PV and EV ? I don't understand how the EC helped Clinton.
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2004, 01:03:42 PM »

He only won a pularity of the popular vote 43% but a majority of the electoral vote. So with out the electoral vote he would still have won but with only 43% which is not much of a  mandate to govern
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2004, 01:04:19 PM »

Just do away with the EC. Most of the time whoever wins the PV - wins the EV.
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2004, 01:04:50 PM »

Of course Linclon only won 39.9% of the popular vote
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2004, 01:07:15 PM »

Of course Linclon only won 39.9% of the popular vote

But who got the most votes?
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2004, 01:09:39 PM »

Of course Linclon only won 39.9% of the popular vote

But who got the most votes?


Lincoln, my point was you could argue that Lincoln didn't have much of a mandate to govern but the sure acted like he did
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