Sharia courts in Ontario?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Now that's just silly (and patronising, btw).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

In addition to eliminating Sharia in all aspects of society

Eh? I'm not aware of any other Western country adopting a Sharia system...

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HYPOCRITE ALERT

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How so?

Because your either a misogynist or doing a very good impersonation of one

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And yet you spend a lot of money in strip clubs don't you?

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And that has anything to do with, what?

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The irony there is amusing, I'll give you that

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Al what is your position on this?

It's a stupid idea for several reasons (Sharia isn't really a coherent legal system for a start; you'll just end up with the people running such a court (who will, obviously, be totally unrepresentative of the wider Muslim community) making things up as they go along... which is how a lot of Sharia was created. Including the stoning of adulterers and most of the other more infamous bits of it) and it's also very patronising.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

But I've never absued a woman

Depends what you mean by abuse doesn't it?
It's a lovely loaded word and can be used in almost any circumstance to justify almost anything.
You think that Muslims abuse women because of headscarves, right? I'm sure that a lot of Muslims would consider that people that go to strip clubs abuse women.

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Why? And by who?

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Most Muslims don't think that women should be required to wear burkahs. A headscarf is not the same as a burkah.

Besides, that's just dodging the issue. Personally I don't think that anyone who visits strip clubs a lot has any right whatsoever to lecture about "women's rights" or anything like that, but maybe that's just me.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Considering lots of strippers actually LIKE their jobs,

Maybe some do. Had it occured to you that most Muslim women like wearing headscarves? But that's "different" isn't it?

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Has it occured to you that maybe not all abuse is physical?

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No you're not

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One of the most unintentionally hilarious things I've read for quite while

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Come on Al, there is nothing anti-woman about strippers. There are male strippers and female strippers.

I don't know about "anti-woman" (although a devotee of strip clubs claiming to be "pro-feminist" is hypocritical no matter how you look at it IMO) but it certainly has a harmful effect on society and is ultimately degrading and dehumanising to everyone involved.

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I view that sort of thing in exactly the same light as strip clubs

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Question to ask yourself; why do they feel the need to do that?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Some feminists believe that it is an expression of sexual freedom.

Some people happen to be intellectually dishonest

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Not true at all. They are some of the most powerless people in society (although they do have a lot compared to, say, prostitutes).

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Not a lot generally speaking; there's certainly an illusion that becoming a stripper = lot's of $$$$$$$$$$$$ but then reality gets in the way.

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Maybe it is, but then who says that's always a bad thing?

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So? That does not excuse treating other human beings as if they were objects.

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Not really "like" as much as having it shoved down their throat by their culture that they must.

That sort of patronising arguement happens to verge on the racist. But there's a lot of racism hiding behind leftwing sociology, so it's not suprising...

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I would have to disagree with you there

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C'mon, how hard is it to work out?

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I didn't say it did. Doesn't stop it from being very, very funny

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It's not based on race, so it's not racist.

But the logic and bigotry behind it is exactly the same

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Depends what is meant by "race"

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You both are. I suspect you might not understand how though

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Try again

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Doesn't matter if they consider it to be abuse or not; the point is that other people might consider it abuse and on much better grounds than claiming that headscarves are abusive.

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It's the irony

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What exactly do the various strange cultural customs that you've just mentioned have to do with anything? Do you think that all Muslims have those customs or that they're somehow integral to Islam as a religion or what?

No point argueing with you over strip clubs; if you can't see the wood for the trees, that's your problem.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Islamic traditions to women are similar.

No they're not. Wearing a headscarf is not the same as female genital mutilation

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Honour killings are a bizarre cultural tradition in parts of Pakistan that has little to do with Islam at all; Islam has been used to justify them (on decidedly dodgy grounds) which is easier than you might think; most people in areas with honour killings can't read or speak Arabic.]