Sharia courts in Ontario?

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Ms Boyd argues that if Sharia is not allowed, all religious arbitration bodies could be abolished.

Good. They all should be.

This need to be insantly canned, as do the Catholic and Jewish courts.

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In addition to eliminating Sharia in all aspects of society most Western countries should follow the French model and ban those evil headscarves, those miserable symbols of misogyny and oppression. Every time I see a woman wearing one of those I want to puke.

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In addition to eliminating Sharia in all aspects of society

Eh? I'm not aware of any other Western country adopting a Sharia system...

Badly worded. What I mean is no other ones should start.

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How so? I'm complete pro-feminist and supportive of women's rights. I'm pro-choice and pro-ERA. I argue with dazzleman over his obsessive sick hatred of feminists all the time. Part of the reason I rag on the Catholic church all the time is they're not allowing women's ordination, and my opposition to Islam is largely based on how awful they treat women.

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Because your either a misogynist or doing a very good impersonation of one

But I've never absued a woman, which is what a mysoginist would do.

And yet you spend a lot of money in strip clubs don't you?

So? I bet lots of strippers would self-identify as feminist.

Plus let's just take any random night I went to a strip club. Now let's assume I didn't go. What would happen? The girls would still be there stripping, they just would receive a little less money. I only helped them out. Then of course there's the radical idea that some of them might actually LIKE their job, in which case I don't see how anything wrong at all happened, no one's being hurt.

And that has anything to do with, what?

That is generally regarded as a feminist and women's rights issue.

The irony there is amusing, I'll give you that

But I don't think women should be required to wear burkahs. No similarity between me and Muslims.

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Haven't you figured out that mindlessly mouthing feminist slogans, as well as questioning the mental health of anybody who questions them, means a person is not a mysoginist?  You must be slow or something.

I had the temerity to question that fact that NOW strongly condemns the same behavior in men that it defends in women, and pointed out that NOW set up a fund to support Andrea Yates, who killed all her children.  For that, I am a sick and obsessive hater.  Those who can't handle a philosophy being questioned in any way clearly can't be very comfortable with that philosophy.

In any case, very good points, Al.

No your problem is you can't figure out that not all feminists are like NOW, for example ultra-liberal feminist Betty Dodson has written articles attacking them and other "feminists" (I don't consider many of these true feminists because they actually support restricting women's rights) for being anti-male. She's also pro-porn.

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Considering lots of strippers actually LIKE their jobs, I don't see how I can abuse them, especially since if I'll likely be tossed out on my ass by a huge bouncer if I start simply touching them, I can't abuse them. All I'm doing is making them a little bit richer

The complete subjegation of women to second class citizens is much different than paying one to rub her breasts in your face and bite your neck. In fact there's really no similarities at all.

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Maybe some do. Had it occured to you that most Muslim women like wearing headscarves? But that's "different" isn't it?

Not really "like" as much as having it shoved down their throat by their culture that they must. But perhaps saying that all countries should go the way of France is going too far, still I'd like to discourage since it's largely to subjegate women to second class citizens, and enforcement of it is only in countries that really do abuse women severely, like Saudi Arabia and Iran.

But as for strippers who like their jobs, what's wrong? It's a benefit for both me and her. No one's getting hurt.

Has it occured to you that maybe not all abuse is physical?

So what type of abuse is going on here?

No you're not

What am I doing that's wrong?

Like I said above, let's take any given night I went to a strip club, then assume for whatever reason I didn't go that night. The only result would be that the girls would have a little less money.

One of the most unintentionally hilarious things I've read for quite while

How the hell is what I'm doing equivalent to what the Saudis or Taliban do at all?

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Question to ask yourself; why do they feel the need to do that?

Because some guys are idiots who think bigger is always better with breasts so it helps them make more money. Personally I find that a huge turn off and tend to avoid strippers with implants.

Of course out of all the girls I know, I've never met one with a major problem with strip clubs. I see guys take their girlfriends to them quite frequently, I once went to one in a group of 3, with my friend and his girlfriend. As I've said many times, there are actually more girls under 30 at the late night shift at the strip clubs I go to than men over 30.

Even my mom said she doesn't have a huge problem with strip clubs, just thinks they're a waste of money but if I like them go ahead. Also said she wouldn't care if I married a stripper.

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Not a lot generally speaking; there's certainly an illusion that becoming a stripper = lot's of $$$$$$$$$$$$ but then reality gets in the way.

Well I was once at the strip club here for about 3 hours and only got one lapdance, but I saw that girl to go to about 20 more guys during that 3 hours, and that's at $10 a pop. So she made at least $200 in those 3 hours. Now imagine that at even only 4 nights a week.

Plus my friend claims he knows a guy who has a major crush on her and who every week will come by and buy 5-6 dances from her and has probably spent over $500 on her overall. That's a lot. Apparnetely they also started talking and he found out that she's actually a lesbian, has a girlfriend, and does not like men at all, which I found kind of interesting.

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That sort of patronising arguement happens to verge on the racist. But there's a lot of racism hiding behind leftwing sociology, so it's not suprising...

It's not based on race, so it's not racist. What's the difference in race between a Christian Nigerian in the south and Muslim Nigerian in the north? Or a Christian Lebanese and Muslim Lebanese?

I would have to disagree with you there

So who is getting hurt? You even admitted that yes some strippers do like their job, which I doubt they would if they were being hurt.

I suppose they could be hurt if they run into a scumbag customer who buys them a drink and then drugs it for obvious reasons, but I've never done that, plus it could also happen to a non-stripper.

C'mon, how hard is it to work out?

I don't see it at all, no verbal abuse either.

Considering that they chose to work at that job anyway, it seems odd someone who choose to work at a place if they considered it abuse.

I didn't say it did. Doesn't stop it from being very, very funny

Oh well. I don't see what's funny about it.

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Then if you are even willing to admit this, then you should quit tarring all feminists with such a broad brush. you should realize most third wavers are actually pro-sex and largely not man-hating yet still quite liberal politically, and this is the most dominant form today, it just so happens that the old second wavers and radical feminists still make the most noise. But they are a rather small minority.

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But the logic and bigotry behind it is exactly the same

I don't see what's bigoted about disliking cultures that involve things like female genital mutilations or rape as a legal penalty.

Depends what is meant by "race"

Ethnically there is no difference, although the two would be very different in almost every way. I suppose in the Nigerian case they might come from different tribes, but that's not the issue. I certainly can't name which Nigerian tribes are mostly Christian and which are mostly Muslim.

You both are. I suspect you might not understand how though

I don't see how I can be hurt by something I enjoy, but whatever I guess I don't understand then.

Try again

So what type of abuse?

Doesn't matter if they consider it to be abuse or not; the point is that other people might consider it abuse and on much better grounds than claiming that headscarves are abusive.

but abuse on what grounds? This is what I don't understand.

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I have to question why you feel so compelled to defend the honor of feminists, when you make broad-brush attacks against a lot of people yourself.  Why do find feminism to be so deserving of your defense?

In case you haven't noticed, I'm not defending that type of feminist.

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What exactly do the various strange cultural customs that you've just mentioned have to do with anything? Do you think that all Muslims have those customs or that they're somehow integral to Islam as a religion or what?

Admittedly they aren't really Islamic customs, but they do prove my point, which is that cultures with such customs don't deserve respect and it's not racism or bigotry to oppose such things. Islamic traditions to women are similar.

If you want such an example that is largely part of Islam, look at honor killings.

No point argueing with you over strip clubs; if you can't see the wood for the trees, that's your problem.

oh well, I don't see it as a problem. I'm still a little suprised by what you were saying since it sounds like something you'd hear from the likes of Dworkin and McKinnon (who you obviously are not a fan of) or Robertson and Falwell (who you don't like very much either)

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Good. The Catholic and Jewish courts need to be scrapped as well.