Pacific Legislature Official Thread

[CatoMinor]

I'm confused. Wasn't Jbrase Southeast gover, hum, Emperor of the South until recently ?

Anyways :

Educational Incentives Act: Aye

Aaron Burr Day Creation Act: Aye

PiT's now Emperor of the South, so I guess either Jbrase got term-limited.

Educational Incentives Act: Aye

Aaron Burr Day Creation Act: Aye

They do not have term limits, I just felt it was time for someone else to take over since I had governed for most the year.

Educational Incentives Act: Abstain

Aaron Burr Day Creation Act: Aye
 

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well, glad to see some dissonant voice joining the region. As Oakvale said, the best way to make Pacific a more pluralist person is to have people from every political side joining it. So, welcome.

[RI]

Educational Incentives Act: Aye
Aaron Burr Day Creation Act: Abstain

[Marokai Backbeat]

Educational Incentives Act: Aye
Aaron Burr Day Creation Act: Abstain

[bgwah]

Aye
Nay

[Ebowed]

Educational Incentives - Aye
Aaron Burr Day - Nay

[Fuzzybigfoot]

As Pacific Justice, I declare "Aaron Burr Day" bill unconstitutional, on the grounds that it doesn't explain how it's primary contents can"promote the general welfare"-(Preamble to the Pacific Constitution).  It cannot be passed.

I hereby declare that the  "Education Initiatives" bill is constitutional.  The bill lays out it's in detail; benefits it offers to those in Atlasia. It violates no legal boundaries set by the Pacific Constitution.  It may be passed by the Pacific Legislature.  





No offense, Jbrase, Oakvale or Archangel.  

[Antonio the Sixth]

As Pacific Justice, I declare "Aaron Burr Day" bill unconstitutional, on the grounds that it doesn't explain how it's primary contents can"promote the general welfare"-(Preamble to the Pacific Constitution).  It cannot be passed.

In the light of this event, I'd like to challenge the constitutionality of the "Accuracy in balloting Act". Hopefully we can get rid of that useles trash :

It is an act designed to rename Xahar whenever he runs for office in the Pacific on our ballots. It renames him "Chode" on ballots for regional positions.

[Oakvale]

As Pacific Justice, I declare "Aaron Burr Day" bill unconstitutional, on the grounds that it doesn't explain how it's primary contents can"promote the general welfare"-(Preamble to the Pacific Constitution).  It cannot be passed.

In the light of this event, I'd like to challenge the constitutionality of the "Accuracy in balloting Act". Hopefully we can get rid of that useles trash :

It is an act designed to rename Xahar whenever he runs for office in the Pacific on our ballots. It renames him "Chode" on ballots for regional positions.

It's funny you bring that up, I was feeling vaguely mean for voting for it and was considering trying for a repeal just yesterday.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

As Pacific Justice, I declare "Aaron Burr Day" bill unconstitutional, on the grounds that it doesn't explain how it's primary contents can"promote the general welfare"-(Preamble to the Pacific Constitution).  It cannot be passed.

In the light of this event, I'd like to challenge the constitutionality of the "Accuracy in balloting Act". Hopefully we can get rid of that useles trash :

It is an act designed to rename Xahar whenever he runs for office in the Pacific on our ballots. It renames him "Chode" on ballots for regional positions.

It's funny you bring that up, I was feeling vaguely mean for voting for it and was considering trying for a repeal just yesterday.

People have the right to choose a name  (Freedom of Speech, Article 3, Clause 2, Pacific Constitution) and use it as representation in the eye of the law, thus they cannot be renamed otherwise on a legal document.  A ballot is a legal document (it's printed by the government, the overseers of the law), thus having Xahar's name changed on such is illegal, hereby making the "Accuracy in Balloting Act" void from hereon out.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

No offense, Jbrase, Oakvale or Archangel.

You passed the test.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

No offense, Jbrase, Oakvale or Archangel.

You passed the test.

Oh good  

That would've been bad if you guys were serious  XD

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

No offense, Jbrase, Oakvale or Archangel.

You passed the test.

Oh good  

That would've been bad if you guys were serious  XD

How do you know that we're not serious?

But yeah, good job on that.  You just saved me some Wiki work.

[CatoMinor]

As Pacific Justice, I declare "Aaron Burr Day" bill unconstitutional, on the grounds that it doesn't explain how it's primary contents can"promote the general welfare"-(Preamble to the Pacific Constitution).  It cannot be passed.

Not that I am disputing your ruling, but doesn't a citizen need to challenge the bill in court before the judicial branch can make judgment on laws?

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

As Pacific Justice, I declare "Aaron Burr Day" bill unconstitutional, on the grounds that it doesn't explain how it's primary contents can"promote the general welfare"-(Preamble to the Pacific Constitution).  It cannot be passed.

Not that I am disputing your ruling, but doesn't a citizen need to challenge the bill in court before the judicial branch can make judgment on laws?

The latest amendment to our constitution states that the Justice must first analyze all legislation and determine whether it is constitutional or not before it can go into effect.

[Oakvale]

I must say I'm pretty chuffed to see the position of Pacific Justice working as intended. Stellar job, fuzzy.

Also, I'd like to clarify something about what Jbrase said - in our system, as Archangel pointed out, the Justice automatically reviews all new legislation passed. In real life, this would be an unworkable and impractical concept, but it creates a healthy  amount of activity in Atlasia.

However, your post does apply to legislation passed before the position was established. In other words, old legislation is reviewed only when specifically challenged by a citizen, as in the case of the, uh, chode bill.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

I must say I'm pretty chuffed to see the position of Pacific Justice working as intended. Stellar job, fuzzy.

Also, I'd like to clarify something about what Jbrase said - in our system, as Archangel pointed out, the Justice automatically reviews all new legislation passed. In real life, this would be an unworkable and impractical concept, but it creates a healthy  amount of activity in Atlasia.

However, your post does apply to legislation passed before the position was established. In other words, old legislation is reviewed only when specifically challenged by a citizen, as in the case of the, uh, chode bill.

Of course, which is why I wouldn't have ordered the repeal of the chode bill without the challenge from Antonio. 

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

Should I delete unconstitutional items from the statute and the article altogether or should I just state that it was deemed unconstitutional in the Wiki?

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Should I delete unconstitutional items from the statute and the article altogether or should I just state that it was deemed unconstitutional in the Wiki?

Maybe just say that it was deemed unconstitutional, but put in the archives for future reference if need be.  

[Antonio the Sixth]

I think legislation declared unconstitutional should be cleared on the wiki, in order to make it clearer. Maybe someone could create a "Pacific repealed legislation" page.

[Oakvale]

Should I delete unconstitutional items from the statute and the article altogether or should I just state that it was deemed unconstitutional in the Wiki?

Maybe just say that it was deemed unconstitutional, but put in the archives for future reference if need be.  

That'd be my personal opinon on it, certainly. I dunno, put an asterix * after it or something to explain it was struck down.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

What I did last night was put on in parenthesis "Deemed Unconstitutional: Date"

Like for the Accuracy Act here:
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Pacific_Statute#Passed_under_Governor_Bgwah
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Accuracy_in_Balloting_Act

Anyways, I could create a Repealed Statute page and move all repealed laws there, if you wish (there's a couple more that are still in the statute that were repealed from other administrations)

There's also the matter of whether the Pacific Justice should be placed under the elected officials article.

[bgwah]

When something is repealed, you usually just put "Repealed" in parenthesis on the statue page, so what Arch did works best I think.

[CatoMinor]

Amendment to The Religious Institution Classification Act  

The Religious Institution Classification Act is hereby amended to read:

1. Any church or religious institution that requires its members to pay fees shall henceforth be recognized as businesses by the Pacific Region.

2. Every other church or religious institution shall be tax exempt. These groups shall lose their tax exempt status should they:
a. Donate money to a political campaign.
b. Endorse anyone running for public office.
c. Begin requiring members to pay fee's for any reason other than paying for damaged property.  
d. Their school programs do not follow the required curriculum set forth by The Pacific.  


X Jbrase

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

Amendment to The Religious Institution Classification Act 

The Religious Institution Classification Act is hereby amended to read:

1. Any church or religious institution that requires its members to pay fees shall henceforth be recognized as businesses by the Pacific Region.

2. Every other church or religious institution shall be tax exempt. These groups shall lose their tax exempt status should they:
a. Donate money to a political campaign.
b. Endorse anyone running for public office.
c. Begin requiring members to pay fee's for any reason other than paying for damaged property.   


X Jbrase

I think this makes sense and puts a little more definition to the original law (which is honestly pretty vague).