Trump attacks protections for refugees from ‘sh**thole’ countries in Oval Office

[ProudModerate2]

Has someone informed him that America is one of the primary reasons why most of those countries are "sh**tholes"?

Has anyone told you the reason Africa is a sh*thole is because the government is basically socialist? And no America is not responsible for other countries being dumps.

Why are you referring to Africa as one country with a single government?

Listen I’m going to list every country in Africa. But the thing is 99% of countries in Africa are socialist communist or run by Muslims that is not a real winning strategy. Then on top of that you have white racists in South Africa who treat Africans horrible. Africa not at all a place I would move to.

Would you like to elaborate why a Muslim running a country is "not a real winning strategy"?

Yes, I also noticed this bigoted comment from Greedo (Benjamin Harrison).
Greedo, please clarify. We are waiting.

I’m talking about Somalia which is majority Muslim. But look the country murders Christians and peaceful Muslims.

You are so ridiculously stupid.

My mom's ex-husband was born in Somalia, and you're little comment shows how ignorant you are about it's history. The persecution of Chiristians in Somalia comes from Al-Shabaab and the tribal groups, not the parliamentary government. Just like throughout all the middle-east and muslim africa, there are radical islamic extremist groups that target christians. The government, although certainly not friendly to Sufi muslims and christians, doesn't go around massacring them. That's the work of Al-Shabaab, who are only prominent because of the instability after the civil war.

You first asserted that there are "countries run by Muslims" which is "not a real winning strategy". You belatedly clarified your remark after being called out on its despicable racism by using Somalia as an example of a "country run by Muslims" and saying "they" (the government) kills Christians and Sufi Muslims, when Al-Shabaab, the radical Islamic terrorist group, is actually the one doing the killing.

So you make a racist and islamaphobic remark, realize that people are noticing it, than try to cover-up by using a non-factual example.

Well Somalia isn’t doing a good job saving moderate Muslims and Christians.
But look at Saudi Arabia they have no human rights at all also run by Muslims same with Iran and Egypt and Libya. You either have no freedoms or the country does nothing to protect Christians and religious minority’s.

So, to be clear, you believe that a leader who is muslim is inherently bad for a country?

Strange that somehow you find humor, with your bigotry.

[OneJ]

Has someone informed him that America is one of the primary reasons why most of those countries are "sh**tholes"?

Has anyone told you the reason Africa is a sh*thole is because the government is basically socialist? And no America is not responsible for other countries being dumps.

Why are you referring to Africa as one country with a single government?

Listen I’m going to list every country in Africa. But the thing is 99% of countries in Africa are socialist communist or run by Muslims that is not a real winning strategy. Then on top of that you have white racists in South Africa who treat Africans horrible. Africa all not a place I would move to.

i mean america was run by a kenyan muslim for eight years so

First off no I don’t think obama is Kenyan. Second of all even if Keith Allison became president we have a thing called the constitution which would stop anything really bad from happening.

*Ellison

Also, there is a lot more to African countries and even Haiti that what you see or hear most of the time, but Trump is apparently to ignorant to realized that.

[Keep cool-idge]

Has someone informed him that America is one of the primary reasons why most of those countries are "sh**tholes"?

Has anyone told you the reason Africa is a sh*thole is because the government is basically socialist? And no America is not responsible for other countries being dumps.

Why are you referring to Africa as one country with a single government?

Listen I’m going to list every country in Africa. But the thing is 99% of countries in Africa are socialist communist or run by Muslims that is not a real winning strategy. Then on top of that you have white racists in South Africa who treat Africans horrible. Africa not at all a place I would move to.

Would you like to elaborate why a Muslim running a country is "not a real winning strategy"?

Yes, I also noticed this bigoted comment from Greedo (Benjamin Harrison).
Greedo, please clarify. We are waiting.

I’m talking about Somalia which is majority Muslim. But look the country murders Christians and peaceful Muslims.

You are so ridiculously stupid.

My mom's ex-husband was born in Somalia, and you're little comment shows how ignorant you are about it's history. The persecution of Chiristians in Somalia comes from Al-Shabaab and the tribal groups, not the parliamentary government. Just like throughout all the middle-east and muslim africa, there are radical islamic extremist groups that target christians. The government, although certainly not friendly to Sufi muslims and christians, doesn't go around massacring them. That's the work of Al-Shabaab, who are only prominent because of the instability after the civil war.

You first asserted that there are "countries run by Muslims" which is "not a real winning strategy". You belatedly clarified your remark after being called out on its despicable racism by using Somalia as an example of a "country run by Muslims" and saying "they" (the government) kills Christians and Sufi Muslims, when Al-Shabaab, the radical Islamic terrorist group, is actually the one doing the killing.

So you make a racist and islamaphobic remark, realize that people are noticing it, than try to cover-up by using a non-factual example.

Well Somalia isn’t doing a good job saving moderate Muslims and Christians.
But look at Saudi Arabia they have no human rights at all also run by Muslims same with Iran and Egypt and Libya. You either have no freedoms or the country does nothing to protect Christians and religious minority’s.

So, to be clear, you believe that a leader who is muslim is inherently bad for a country?

Wow he's not even denying it anymore.

Listen I’m Jewish and I’m also Christian I don’t look well on a religion which murdered all the Christians in the Middle East and Jews. The Armenian genocide was done by the Muslims to murder non Muslims and ruin a great balance.

WHAT EVEN

If you're going to start to blame religion for various humanitarian atrocities committed then Christianity gets more than its fair share of the blame.

Awful colonialist conditions in Africa

The Holocaust

The genocide of Native Americans

Apartheid

Opium Wars

Etc etc etc.


Do I think Christians can't be trusted because of those? No, I don't. Because I don't think the actions of some people should be used to demonize the whole group.

And you are clearly demonizing the group here, not the religion.

No the holocost was not caused by Christians. Besides anyone who is anti Semitic is not Christian.
Andrew Jackson is widely regarded has one of the least religious presidents. Besides genocide of the Indians is mostly thanks to the democrats ,last I checked it was the wigs AKA republicans who pushed to against Indian removal like davey Crockett one of the best congressmen of all time.

[TheSaint250]

Can this get back on topic please

[Old Man Willow]

Why is this causing so much more of a sensation than when he said Haitians all have Aids? That was a direct attack on them. Maybe just because he denied it that time?

[Keep cool-idge]

Has someone informed him that America is one of the primary reasons why most of those countries are "sh**tholes"?

Has anyone told you the reason Africa is a sh*thole is because the government is basically socialist? And no America is not responsible for other countries being dumps.

Why are you referring to Africa as one country with a single government?

Listen I’m going to list every country in Africa. But the thing is 99% of countries in Africa are socialist communist or run by Muslims that is not a real winning strategy. Then on top of that you have white racists in South Africa who treat Africans horrible. Africa not at all a place I would move to.

Would you like to elaborate why a Muslim running a country is "not a real winning strategy"?

Yes, I also noticed this bigoted comment from Greedo (Benjamin Harrison).
Greedo, please clarify. We are waiting.

I’m talking about Somalia which is majority Muslim. But look the country murders Christians and peaceful Muslims.

You are so ridiculously stupid.

My mom's ex-husband was born in Somalia, and you're little comment shows how ignorant you are about it's history. The persecution of Chiristians in Somalia comes from Al-Shabaab and the tribal groups, not the parliamentary government. Just like throughout all the middle-east and muslim africa, there are radical islamic extremist groups that target christians. The government, although certainly not friendly to Sufi muslims and christians, doesn't go around massacring them. That's the work of Al-Shabaab, who are only prominent because of the instability after the civil war.

You first asserted that there are "countries run by Muslims" which is "not a real winning strategy". You belatedly clarified your remark after being called out on its despicable racism by using Somalia as an example of a "country run by Muslims" and saying "they" (the government) kills Christians and Sufi Muslims, when Al-Shabaab, the radical Islamic terrorist group, is actually the one doing the killing.

So you make a racist and islamaphobic remark, realize that people are noticing it, than try to cover-up by using a non-factual example.

Well Somalia isn’t doing a good job saving moderate Muslims and Christians.
But look at Saudi Arabia they have no human rights at all also run by Muslims same with Iran and Egypt and Libya. You either have no freedoms or the country does nothing to protect Christians and religious minority’s.

So, to be clear, you believe that a leader who is muslim is inherently bad for a country?

Strange that somehow you find humor, with your bigotry.

I’m not a bigot but I don’t 100% trust Muslims because of all the wars they have caused.
9/11,Armenian Genocide,UN Bombing,6 Day war,the Yom Kipper war,the Iran uprising. All those things are awful.

[Keep cool-idge]

Why is this causing so much more of a sensation than when he said Haitians all have Aids? That was a direct attack on them. Maybe just because he denied it that time?

Okay if trump said Haitians have aids then that is pretty messed up and he should apologize.

[ProudModerate2]

Besides anyone who is anti Semitic is not Christian.

OMG.
This dude is in some serious denial.
A Christian is absolutely, never anti-Semitic? Seriously?

I would be willing to bet that a whole-bunch of those white supremacist/Nazi/Fascist in Charlottesville that were screaming "Jews will not replace us," probably call themselves "Christian" (some of them probably even go to Christian church).

[Keep cool-idge]

Besides anyone who is anti Semitic is not Christian.

OMG.
This dude is in some serious denial.
A Christian is absolutely, never anti-Semitic? Seriously?

I would be willing to bet that a whole-bunch of those white supremacist/Nazi/Fascist in Charlottesville that were screaming "Jews will not replace us," probably call themselves "Christian" (some of them probably even go to Christian church).

Well hard news to tell David Duke.

JESUS WAS A JEW

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

But the thing is 99% of countries in Africa are socialist communist or run by Muslims that is not a real winning strategy.

Dear Lord...

[catographer]

While I wouldn’t have said what he said. Who cares he’s not wrong the best country’s our mostly in Europe and the Americas. I don’t think he said anything racist now if he said this......

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That would be a actual story and I would be on here saying he must resign but what trump actually said isn’t wrong or that bad.

The problem is less that he called them sh**tholes. It's more that he doesn't want immigrants from sh**tholes.

I can guarantee you some Dems in Congress have called these countries sh**tholes before. They use it now as a chance to politicize the comment, again id politics which really turns people off from the Dems.

You kinda ignored me correcting you. The issue isn't calling the countries sh*tholes, it's that they don't want immigrants from these countries. People from "sh*ithole" Africa built this country. Look at Mia Love's statement. Democrats recognize the value in having some of these people here; apparently Trump and many Republicans don't.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Why can't Greedo just accept the fact that Trump is huge piece of sh**t who can't keep his mouth shut? We've known this asshole for DECADES.

[JA]

Perhaps we should look at the root cause of Haiti's situation, which lies in its history of brutal slavery, a French Revolution inspired slave revolt that overthrew their French slavemasters, and the subsequent period of chronic indebtedness to Western imperial powers for the sole purpose of receiving guarantees that their country wouldn't be invaded and enslaved again.

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That "Double French Debt" became a triple debt to the US and France, which forced Haiti to begin borrowing simply to fund its national expenditures by the 1880s. Foreign pressure to repay debts forced Haiti to borrow even more from French private banks, thereby ensuring that by the end of the 19th century around 80% of the nation's wealth was devoted to serving external debts to France, Germany, and the US. By the 1890s the situation was so bad that the Banque Nationale de la Republique d'Haiti (BNRH) came under the tutelage of France's Societe Generale, which became the official treasury of the country. Haitian finances were horribly mismanaged and exploited by the bank, which then opened another branch of the BNRH in America, due to the shifting of global power and Haitian debt along with it, to America; a branch was open at National City Bank (US Citibank).

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So, even if Haiti is a "sh**hole," which is a completely inaccurate description of a country systematically exploited and oppressed by White colonial powers, the fault lies not with the Haitian people, but with the "Western" imperialists.

Trump's comments are not only racist and xenophobic but incredibly ignorant of Haitian and African history (which deserves far, far more detailed explanation of its exploitation and abuse than could be described in a single comment here). Like his bigoted, know-nothing supporters, they don't know nor care to know about these facts; all they see is an underdeveloped country and people with dark skin who, to them, are basically all the same.

[fluffypanther19]

Can this get back on topic please

Please greedo always derails threads with his bs. Anyway Trump's comments are unacceptable and reek of overt racism. If you just want to ensure that America has high quality and vetted immigrants, thats one thing. But to consider entire nations and peoples unworthy of this great nation, no matter how hard and willing they are to work and make it here, due to the conditons of their birth; its just appalling and clearly un-American.

[ProudModerate2]

Can this get back on topic please

Yes, I agree.
Greedo even had me stearing off-topic.

Let's get back on topic, Atlas.

[MAINEiac4434]

Besides anyone who is anti Semitic is not Christian.

OMG.
This dude is in some serious denial.
A Christian is absolutely, never anti-Semitic? Seriously?

I would be willing to bet that a whole-bunch of those white supremacist/Nazi/Fascist in Charlottesville that were screaming "Jews will not replace us," probably call themselves "Christian" (some of them probably even go to Christian church).

Well hard news to tell David Duke.

JESUS WAS A JEW

Anti-Semitism was literally promoted by the Catholic Church for a millennium.

Martin Luther literally said some of the worst sh**t about Jews I've ever read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism

[JA]

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The thing is, to these White Supremacists, all a Nigerian will ever be, no matter how educated, is just another ni**er.

Isn’t that more true for whites in Africa? Last I checked it’s whites in Africa who are more racist then whites in America.

Are all White people automatically White Supremacists? I specifically said, to these White Supremacists. Try actually reading my posts next time. And, secondly, what proof do you have that Whites in Africa are more racist than Whites in America? Even if that's true, there are substantially different contexts to these racial attitudes that stem from significantly different cultures and historical contexts, so any comparison of racial sentiments would be deeply flawed.

[Keep cool-idge]

Besides anyone who is anti Semitic is not Christian.

OMG.
This dude is in some serious denial.
A Christian is absolutely, never anti-Semitic? Seriously?

I would be willing to bet that a whole-bunch of those white supremacist/Nazi/Fascist in Charlottesville that were screaming "Jews will not replace us," probably call themselves "Christian" (some of them probably even go to Christian church).

Well hard news to tell David Duke.

JESUS WAS A JEW

Anti-Semitism was literally promoted by the Catholic Church for a millennium.

Martin Luther literally said some of the worst sh**t about Jews I've ever read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism

I understand that Martin Luther was anti Semitic and you know what he probably wasn’t a real Christian same with the Catholic Church.

[Indy Texas]

If your family came to the United States from Europe prior to 1900 or so, guess what, you're a descendant of "people from sh*thole countries."

This goes double if they came from someplace like Italy, Ireland, non-Parisian France, Poland, Eastern Europe, or the like.

[ProudModerate2]

CNN Video.

Cooper: Don't dance around it, this is racist.
Link http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/01/12/ac360-opening-trump-vulgar-haitian-comments.cnn

[Kamala]

nothing quite like a jew telling us who a Real Christian (TM) is

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Has someone informed him that America is one of the primary reasons why most of those countries are "sh**tholes"?

Has anyone told you the reason Africa is a sh*thole is because the government is basically socialist? And no America is not responsible for other countries being dumps.

Why are you referring to Africa as one country with a single government?

Listen I’m going to list every country in Africa. But the thing is 99% of countries in Africa are socialist communist or run by Muslims that is not a real winning strategy. Then on top of that you have white racists in South Africa who treat Africans horrible. Africa all not a place I would move to.

Wow Greedo, this is a new low, I cannot support your campaign anymore after this insult, it is quite personal, and frankly disgusting.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

The Armenian genocide is an interesting example because the people who did it cheerfully called themselves secular. the Armenians (and Jews for that matter) had been in Muslim Anatolia for centuries, but were dispatched coldly by Turkish nationalism rather than religious fervour.

[Keep cool-idge]

If your family came to the United States from Europe prior to 1900 or so, guess what, you're a descendant of "people from sh*thole countries."

This goes double if they came from someplace like Italy, Ireland, non-Parisian France, Poland, Eastern Europe, or the like.

I understand that on my mom’s side there Jews from Eastern Europe want to know something else my great grand father or my great great grandfather I don’t remember but he started off as a waiter after being in America for 20 years he became supper wealthy and opened up two Orthodox Jewish hotels.

I don’t hear those types stories now days.

[TheSaint250]

Besides anyone who is anti Semitic is not Christian.

OMG.
This dude is in some serious denial.
A Christian is absolutely, never anti-Semitic? Seriously?

I would be willing to bet that a whole-bunch of those white supremacist/Nazi/Fascist in Charlottesville that were screaming "Jews will not replace us," probably call themselves "Christian" (some of them probably even go to Christian church).

Well hard news to tell David Duke.

JESUS WAS A JEW

Anti-Semitism was literally promoted by the Catholic Church for a millennium.

Martin Luther literally said some of the worst sh**t about Jews I've ever read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism

I understand that Martin Luther was anti Semitic and you know what he probably wasn’t a real Christian same with the Catholic Church.

Thanks for that.