HOUSE BILL: Penal Reform Act 2018 (Passed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Atlasian People's House of Representatives
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Sponsor: 1184AZ
House Designation: HB 1183

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The sponsor has 24 hours to post an advocacy for this bill, all other members have an additional 48 hours to post their initial comments, questions and concerns.

[Pragmatic Conservative]

This bill is a carbon copy of a bill that I have previously proposed in the house which passed but was sadly shot down in the senate. The major components of this bill are as follows:

-Prisoners bill of rights- we will eliminate any abuse such as torture that is unjustly imposes on some individuals under police custody.  This bill of rights also endures prisons have appropriate temperatures and allows transgender prisoners to be housed in the prison corresponding to their gender identity.

-Eliminating jail sentences for drug use- instead of housing individuals that have drug abuse problem in prison we will give them the help they need in rehab.   

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I had a feeling this was coming back.

Anyway, this one seems shorter than the one last year. Is that correct, or am I forgetting its true length?

[Pragmatic Conservative]

I had a feeling this was coming back.

Anyway, this one seems shorter than the one last year. Is that correct, or am I forgetting its true length?

I reintroduced the bill that passed the house not the original bill. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The sponsor has 24 hours to post an advocacy for this bill, all other members have an additional 48 hours to post their initial comments, questions and concerns.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The sponsor has 24 hours to post an advocacy for this bill, all other members have an additional 48 hours to post their initial comments, questions and concerns.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Actually, I just realized they don't have 24 hours. I posted them just after midnight, so time expires in less than hour.

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

I do fully support the section on protecting the rights of prisoners, but I am concerned about how the drug rehab program will be funded.

[RFayette]

I do fully the section on protecting the rights of prisoners, but I am concerned about how the drug rehab program will be funded.

[RC (a la Frémont)]

Alright, here are my gripes with this bill,

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I would like to request a definition of torture in terms of this bill

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I am personally opposed to this section because prisoners in solitary confinement are put there for a reason. A lot of them could be highly dangerous to fellow prisoners and we do not need an increase of prison violence. Thus I propose removing this section.

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Like my other colleagues have mentioned, how are we going to pay for this process?

[Pragmatic Conservative]

1. Torture would be considered mental or physical abuse.
2. I respect those concerns but solitary confinement can be inhumane so I believe it’s important prisoners should have the right to spend some time with others.
3. As we are no longer spending money to house these prisoners we would have that money available to pay for rehab.

[Oakvale]

I'm skeptical about this bill in its present form. I agree with my colleague Rep. ReaganClinton's concerns on the prohibitions on solitary confinement. And there's also this -

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What does this entail?

[Pragmatic Conservative]

I'm skeptical about this bill in its present form. I agree with my colleague Rep. ReaganClinton's concerns on the prohibitions on solitary confinement. And there's also this -

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What does this entail?

Individuals will be able to go by their preferred pronouns and where what they want.

[Oakvale]

I'm skeptical about this bill in its present form. I agree with my colleague Rep. ReaganClinton's concerns on the prohibitions on solitary confinement. And there's also this -

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What does this entail?

Individuals will be able to go by their preferred pronouns and where what they want.

I don't have any particular objection to letting prisoners insist on being referred to as 'her' I guess, but does this mean they'd then be automatically eligible for transfer to the institution for the opposite gender? That's a far bigger issue and one that needs discussion. With rigorous psychological and medical evaluations, maybe, but I'm deeply skeptical of adopting the modern woke stance of "you are what you identify as" when it comes to the incarcerated.

And... wear what they want? This is a prison!

[Oakvale]

While we discuss the above issues, an amendment -

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The clause declaring that the bill retroactively applies to past offenders is blatantly unconstitutional by virtue of §8 c.2 -

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In addition to the funding concerns raised by my honourable colleagues, this section would also allow for drug dealers, and people without any drug problem whatsoever, be sent to a rehabilitation facility due to possessing such substances.

[RC (a la Frémont)]

I'm skeptical about this bill in its present form. I agree with my colleague Rep. ReaganClinton's concerns on the prohibitions on solitary confinement. And there's also this -

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What does this entail?

Individuals will be able to go by their preferred pronouns and where what they want.

I don't have any particular objection to letting prisoners insist on being referred to as 'her' I guess, but does this mean they'd then be automatically eligible for transfer to the institution for the opposite gender? That's a far bigger issue and one that needs discussion. With rigorous psychological and medical evaluations, maybe, but I'm deeply skeptical of adopting the modern woke stance of "you are what you identify as" when it comes to the incarcerated.

And... wear what they want? This is a prison!

Prison uniforms should be streamlined no matter what gender the inmate is. There is no changing that.

[Pragmatic Conservative]

The amendment is unfriendly because it changes a large segment of the bill.

[Pragmatic Conservative]

To appease some of the representative concerns I propose the following amendment.

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[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

I approve of the following amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor Feedback: Hostile
Status: With the amendment still pending and 24 hours minimum debate having expired, a vote is now open on this Amendment, Representatives please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[RC (a la Frémont)]

Personally, I believe that Rep. Oakvale's amendment is a bit extreme, but I do approve of Rep. AZ's amendment. So a Nay to Oakvale's proposition, and an Aye to AZ’s.

[Pragmatic Conservative]

Nay
I do hope the above amendment proposed a couple of days ago eliminates some of the representatives concerns.

[Oakvale]

Aye.

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

AYE on AZ's amendment and NAY on Oakvale's amendment.