Lindsey Graham is doing everything to start a war with North Korea

[Shadows]

 Lindsey Graham estimated the odds that the Trump administration deliberately strikes North Korea first, to stop it from acquiring the capability to target the U.S. mainland with a long-range, nuclear-tipped missile. And the senator’s numbers were remarkably high. I would say there’s a three in 10 chance we use the military option,” Graham predicted in an interview. If the North Koreans conduct an additional test of a nuclear bomb—their seventh—“I would say 70 percent.” Graham said that the issue of North Korea came up during a round of golf he played with the president on Sunday. “It comes up all the time,” he said. “War with North Korea is an all-out war against the regime,” he said. “There is no surgical strike option. Their [nuclear-weapons] program is too redundant, it’s too hardened, and you gotta assume the worst, not the best. So if you ever use the military option, it’s not to just neutralize their nuclear facilities—you gotta be willing to take the regime completely down.”

“We’re not to the tipping point yet,” he noted, but “if they test another [nuclear] weapon, then all bets are off.”Graham takes the possibility of war seriously enough that, to prevent it, he would support direct talks with the regime “without a whole lot of preconditions.” He wouldn’t rule out a Kim-Trump summit. “I’m not taking anything off the table to avoid a war. ... When they write the history of the times, I don’t want them to say, ‘Hey, Lindsey Graham wouldn’t even talk to the guy.’” Graham says Trump “has 100 percent made up his mind that he’s not gonna let Kim Jong Un break out,” which Graham defined as achieving the capacity to “marry up a missile and a nuclear warhead that can hit America effectively.”

“I don’t know how to say it any more direct: If nothing changes, Trump’s gonna have to use the military option, because time is running out,” Graham said. “I don’t care if North Korea becomes a Chinese protectorate. … I don’t care who [the Chinese] put in charge of North Korea, as long as that person doesn’t want to create a massive nuclear arsenal to threaten America. There are a couple ways for this to end: The Chinese could kill the guy if they wanted to, or they could just stop oil shipments [to North Korea], which would bring [Kim Jong Un’s] economy to [its] knees.” Graham’s scenarios for resolving the crisis short of war, along with his vision for war, notably conclude with regime change in North Korea, which the Trump administration claims to not be pursuing.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/12/lindsey-graham-war-north-korea-trump/548381/

[Matty]

Graham and McCain come from an era where it was seen as "moral" and "manly" to  be a warrior, a soldier, etc.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Graham and McCain come from an era where it was seen as "moral" and "manly" to  be a warrior, a soldier, etc.

There's no comparison between McCain and Graham. Whatever we may say about McCain, he experienced the war firsthand, while Graham used to claim he was a "Gulf War veteran" solely because he was recalled to the active duty stateside to brief departing pilots on laws of war. If this makes him a "warrior", then this term is just meaningless.

[junior chįmp]

Graham wants to see all those shirtless hunky millitary men being called to duty

[Santander]

Graham wants to see all those shirtless hunky millitary men being called to duty

[HillGoose]

Lindsey Graham is my favorite I considered voting for his dropped out presidential campaign in last years Republican primary. Ended up going for Rubio tho

[SoLongAtlas]

Graham and McCain come from an era where it was seen as "moral" and "manly" to  be a warrior, a soldier, etc.

NK mega thread already has this. Btw, when did it become immoral to serve? Asking sincerely.

[HillGoose]

Graham and McCain come from an era where it was seen as "moral" and "manly" to  be a warrior, a soldier, etc.

NK mega thread already has this. Btw, when did it become immoral to serve? Asking sincerely.

to those socialists, "morality" means giving all your money to the government for free abortions, legal marijuana, drinking age at 14, voting age at 16, euthanasia for the disabled, and all sorts of other stupidity. But defending liberty doesn't mean much to the socialists.

[junior chįmp]

Graham wants to see all those shirtless hunky millitary men being called to duty

shut up homophobic communist

Lindsay Graham's voting record in pretty homophobic

[HillGoose]

Graham wants to see all those shirtless hunky millitary men being called to duty

shut up homophobic communist

Lindsay Graham's voting record in pretty homophobic

LGBT rights are better left to the courts, not the legislature.

Lindsey Graham is hot as hell tho

[Strudelcutie4427]

Graham wants to see all those shirtless hunky millitary men being called to duty

Don't be a homophobe Lindsey's never specified on his sexuality. Although ironically both South Carolina senators are single. (Idk if Tim Scott has married recently though)

[King Lear]

Graham wants to see all those shirtless hunky millitary men being called to duty

I always assumed Lindsey Graham was one of the many "Gay Republicans" that hide in the closet and scream that "The left is destroying americas Judeo-Christian values".

[Strudelcutie4427]

Graham wants to see all those shirtless hunky millitary men being called to duty

I always assumed Lindsey Graham was one of the many "Gay Republicans" that hide in the closet and scream that "The left is destroying americas Judeo-Christian values".

Who are the others besides the painfully obvious Larry Craig and Dennis Hastert types

[IceSpear]

Graham wants to see all those shirtless hunky millitary men being called to duty

Pretty good justification imo

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

The bloodthirsty old queen is at it again.

[Badger]

Graham wants to see all those shirtless hunky millitary men being called to duty

shut up homophobic communist

Lindsay Graham's voting record in pretty homophobic

LGBT rights are better left to the courts, not the legislature.

Lindsey Graham is hot as hell tho

Well, someone's triggered.

[Zioneer]

This entire thread is pretty cringe-worthy.

[HillGoose]

No one else thinks Graham needs a Playgirl shoot?

Not that I would buy it or anything.

[Torie]

Hillgoose, just stop it please. That one post of yours that I just deleted was way, way, out of line. I don't want to see another post of yours like that. Thanks.

[JA]

Graham and McCain come from an era where it was seen as "moral" and "manly" to  be a warrior, a soldier, etc.

NK mega thread already has this. Btw, when did it become immoral to serve? Asking sincerely.

to those socialists, "morality" means giving all your money to the government for free abortions, legal marijuana, drinking age at 14, voting age at 16, euthanasia for the disabled, and all sorts of other stupidity. But defending liberty doesn't mean much to the socialists.

To be fair though, that sounds like a pretty good policy program (aside from euthanizing the disabled; we'll leave abusing the disabled to the right-wing who prefer ditching them on the side of the road).

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Graham is obviously one of many insane warmongers in Congress regardless of whether he's a closeted gay or not.

[darklordoftech]

Graham and McCain come from an era where it was seen as "moral" and "manly" to  be a warrior, a soldier, etc.

NK mega thread already has this. Btw, when did it become immoral to serve? Asking sincerely.

to those socialists, "morality" means giving all your money to the government for free abortions, legal marijuana, drinking age at 14, voting age at 16, euthanasia for the disabled, and all sorts of other stupidity. But defending liberty doesn't mean much to the socialists.

To be fair though, that sounds like a pretty good policy program (aside from euthanizing the disabled; we'll leave abusing the disabled to the right-wing who prefer ditching them on the side of the road).

Agreed. The War on Drugs and age restrictions are two of the greatest evils in the developed world.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Graham is obviously one of many insane warmongers in Congress regardless of whether he's a closeted gay or not.

If you can look objectively at the US and all our airstrikes and support for airstrikes, and how many innocent people they kill, and how ineffective they are at winning military conflicts, almost the whole of Congress looks like a bunch of murderous psychopaths. But yeah, Graham is more pro-war than most.

[HillGoose]

Graham is obviously one of many insane warmongers in Congress regardless of whether he's a closeted gay or not.

If you can look objectively at the US and all our airstrikes and support for airstrikes, and how many innocent people they kill, and how ineffective they are at winning military conflicts, almost the whole of Congress looks like a bunch of murderous psychopaths. But yeah, Graham is more pro-war than most.

so you think the US kills a higher percentage of civilians as compared to enemy combatants than say, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Russia, or North Korea?