Alabama Megathread 4: A New Hope

[GeorgiaModerate]

Moore is now on Facebook blaming "Muslims and Marxists" for his loss. Because as we all know, Alabama is a hotbed of Muslims and Marxists.

They were bussed in from Mississippi, obviously.

That other hotbed.

[Vern]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

[OneJ]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

To be fair, most Democrats had low expectations and this race pretty much confirmed that it's not impossible for a Democrat to win in AL, even though the circumstances were, of course, unusual.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

Martha Coakley also sucked hard as a candidate but that didn't prevent Republicans from celebrating Scott Brown's win, or the media talking about "Democrats in disarray".

[Vern]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

Martha Coakley also sucked hard as a candidate but that didn't prevent Republicans from celebrating Scott Brown's win, or the media talking about "Democrats in disarray".

There is a big difference between Martha Coakley and Roy Moore.

[BudgieForce]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

Martha Coakley also sucked hard as a candidate but that didn't prevent Republicans from celebrating Scott Brown's win, or the media talking about "Democrats in disarray".

There is a big difference between Martha Coakley and Roy Moore.

And a big difference from Alabama and Massachusetts.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

Martha Coakley also sucked hard as a candidate but that didn't prevent Republicans from celebrating Scott Brown's win, or the media talking about "Democrats in disarray".

There is a big difference between Martha Coakley and Roy Moore.

Martha Coakley would have lost much worse in Alabama.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Moore is now on Facebook blaming "Muslims and Marxists" for his loss. Because as we all know, Alabama is a hotbed of Muslims and Marxists.

So Moore has finally conceded the race?

[Gustaf]

Great work NOVA Green! Do you yourself have an overall conclusion from all this analysis as to what was the main driver of Jones' win?

[I’m not Stu]

Write-in votes so far. Republican Lee Busby got 3,696 votes. Libertarian Ron Bishop got 835 votes. Independent social conservative Chanda Mills Crutcher got 185 votes.

[Rookie Yinzer]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

What would be the appropriate reaction for you, sir?

At the end of the day, the Democrats have an extra senate seat. How it was achieved is irrelevant at this point.

[Vern]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

What would be the appropriate reaction for you, sir?

At the end of the day, the Democrats have an extra senate seat. How it was achieved is irrelevant at this point.

My point is, y’all are acting like this means the death of the Republicans and 2018 is going to be a blood bath. That isn’t true. It took everything the Democratic Party has to bet a child rapist.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

What would be the appropriate reaction for you, sir?

At the end of the day, the Democrats have an extra senate seat. How it was achieved is irrelevant at this point.

My point is, y’all are acting like this means the death of the Republicans and 2018 is going to be a blood bath. That isn’t true. It took everything the Democratic Party has to bet a child rapist.

Even if Republicans had nominated a normal candidate, Jones wouldn't have lost by more than 10 points. Which for a Democrat in Alabama would have been an amazing result.

[GeorgiaModerate]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

What would be the appropriate reaction for you, sir?

At the end of the day, the Democrats have an extra senate seat. How it was achieved is irrelevant at this point.

My point is, y’all are acting like this means the death of the Republicans and 2018 is going to be a blood bath. That isn’t true. It took everything the Democratic Party has to bet a child rapist.

It's not just this one result that has people expecting the GOP to get hammered next year.  This is only one result of several dozen off-year and special elections that have shown dramatic shifts toward the Democrats.  While there have been a few that have shown shifts toward the Republicans, the vast majority have shifted D-ward.  In conjunction with the generic ballot polls, which have historically had good predictive value, thinks look bleak for the R's at this point.  There is still a lot of time left and things could change; but if current indications continue, election night 2018 will not be a happy time for Republicans.

[DrScholl]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

What would be the appropriate reaction for you, sir?

At the end of the day, the Democrats have an extra senate seat. How it was achieved is irrelevant at this point.

My point is, y’all are acting like this means the death of the Republicans and 2018 is going to be a blood bath. That isn’t true. It took everything the Democratic Party has to bet a child rapist.

It didn't take everything the Democratic Party has considering that the national party had no involvement. The problem for Republicans is that Democrats have easier opportunities than this one against Republicans who aren't like Moore.

[Doimper]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

What would be the appropriate reaction for you, sir?

At the end of the day, the Democrats have an extra senate seat. How it was achieved is irrelevant at this point.

My point is, y’all are acting like this means the death of the Republicans and 2018 is going to be a blood bath. That isn’t true. It took everything the Democratic Party has to bet a child rapist.

It didn't take everything the Democratic Party has considering that the national party had no involvement.

What? The DNC was heavily involved, Ellison and Perez were both on the ground in Alabama towards the end. They just learned their lesson from GA-06 and made sure that DNC investment in the race wasn't very publicized.

[DrScholl]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

What would be the appropriate reaction for you, sir?

At the end of the day, the Democrats have an extra senate seat. How it was achieved is irrelevant at this point.

My point is, y’all are acting like this means the death of the Republicans and 2018 is going to be a blood bath. That isn’t true. It took everything the Democratic Party has to bet a child rapist.

It didn't take everything the Democratic Party has considering that the national party had no involvement.

What? The DNC was heavily involved, Ellison and Perez were both on the ground in Alabama towards the end. They just learned their lesson from GA-06 and made sure it wasn't very publicized.

If I'm correct, the DSCC was not running ads for Jones and every ad was directly from Jones campaign. Even if there was minimal involvement, it's a stretch to say that it took the Democratic Party everything it had to win the race.

[NOVA Green]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

Well, firstly we have an early Christmas present in the form of Doug Jones winning a solid victory in a State, where nobody expected it to be a race within 8-10 points at the best.



Also, we had a Democrat who ran explicitly as a Liberal Democrat basically not conceding an inch on being pro LGBTQ equality, Pro-Choice, and economic populist and progressive.

I have no doubt that a Democrat who would have run as a "Cultural Conservative" would likely have performed much better among Republican and Republican-Leaning Social Conservative voters against Roy Moore.

What I doubt is that a "Conservative Democrat" would have been able to to mobilize the Democratic base in Alabama the way that Doug Jones did.

Alabama just elected a Liberal Democrat as the next Senator from their Great State.... allow that concept to sink in for a moment.

Sure Doug Jones isn't a crazy "lock up your guns type guy", but hell neither are many of my friends and family members in small-town and rural Oregon, who regularly vote Democrat.

Still as a top law enforcement guy, he's definitely in favor of common sense Gun Reform, to close the loopholes that allow the bad guys easy access to weapons that they use to commit their violent crimes.

Doug Jones passed the 'Bama sniff test to flip enough solid 'Pub voters in the Upper-Income White precincts of Mobile and Baldwin County, not to mention suburban Birmingham and the Auto factory towns elsewhere in the State.

[Vern]

You guys are so blind to what I am saying. Doug Jones only won because Roy Moore is a child rapist. If another candidate was on the ballot he would have lost badly. This race had nothing to do with people not liking republicans and wanting change or whatever. It was all about Roy Moore and his actions.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

You guys are so blind to what I am saying. Doug Jones only won because Roy Moore is a child rapist. If another candidate was on the ballot he would have lost badly. This race had nothing to do with people not liking republicans and wanting change or whatever. It was all about Roy Moore and his actions.

I think Moore would've won if Clinton was in the White House right now, as Republican voters would've been more energized and seen him as a check on her "liberal" policies.

[Vern]

You guys are so blind to what I am saying. Doug Jones only won because Roy Moore is a child rapist. If another candidate was on the ballot he would have lost badly. This race had nothing to do with people not liking republicans and wanting change or whatever. It was all about Roy Moore and his actions.

I think Moore would've won if Clinton was in the White House right now, as Republican voters would've been more energized and seen him as a check on her "liberal" policies.

Maybe, but not by much.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

What would be the appropriate reaction for you, sir?

At the end of the day, the Democrats have an extra senate seat. How it was achieved is irrelevant at this point.

My point is, y’all are acting like this means the death of the Republicans and 2018 is going to be a blood bath. That isn’t true. It took everything the Democratic Party has to bet a child rapist.

Even if Republicans had nominated a normal candidate, Jones wouldn't have lost by more than 10 points. Which for a Democrat in Alabama would have been an amazing result.

Jones would have lost by like 20% against Strange.

You guys are so blind to what I am saying. Doug Jones only won because Roy Moore is a child rapist. If another candidate was on the ballot he would have lost badly. This race had nothing to do with people not liking republicans and wanting change or whatever. It was all about Roy Moore and his actions.

I think Moore would've won if Clinton was in the White House right now, as Republican voters would've been more energized and seen him as a check on her "liberal" policies.

Clinton would not have appointed Sessions as Attorney General so this election would not have happened in that case.  Your point is invalid.

[Vern]

And lets just make it clear, I do not think that republican will make big gain in 2018, nor do I believe Democrats will. I think 2018 will be a wash of an election.

[DrScholl]

You guys are so blind to what I am saying. Doug Jones only won because Roy Moore is a child rapist. If another candidate was on the ballot he would have lost badly. This race had nothing to do with people not liking republicans and wanting change or whatever. It was all about Roy Moore and his actions.

But considering partisan polarization it is still quite a feat that Jones managed to break through.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

I don't see why democrats are joyful about the results. Yes Doug won, but it took everything the democrat had to win a narrow victory against a guy who should have been blown out of the water.

What would be the appropriate reaction for you, sir?

At the end of the day, the Democrats have an extra senate seat. How it was achieved is irrelevant at this point.

My point is, y’all are acting like this means the death of the Republicans and 2018 is going to be a blood bath. That isn’t true. It took everything the Democratic Party has to bet a child rapist.

Even if Republicans had nominated a normal candidate, Jones wouldn't have lost by more than 10 points. Which for a Democrat in Alabama would have been an amazing result.

Jones would have lost by like 20% against Strange.

You guys are so blind to what I am saying. Doug Jones only won because Roy Moore is a child rapist. If another candidate was on the ballot he would have lost badly. This race had nothing to do with people not liking republicans and wanting change or whatever. It was all about Roy Moore and his actions.

I think Moore would've won if Clinton was in the White House right now, as Republican voters would've been more energized and seen him as a check on her "liberal" policies.

Clinton would not have appointed Sessions as Attorney General so this election would not have happened in that case.  Your point is invalid.

My God, how did I overlook that part?