Let's Be Serious About Gillibrand

[Sirius_]

We're seemingly the only people all over the potential for her to run in 2020 and she declined last May. I think that she's way over-hyped and probably won't happen.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

I never saw Gillibrand as “over-hyped.” Her ability to stand up to Trump and him being unable to successfully damage her is, in part, why she would be a good candidate and people are realizing that now.

[Mr. Morden]

We're seemingly the only people all over the potential for her to run in 2020 and she declined last May.

I'll just copy/paste what I've written about this elsewhere....

Yes, she "ruled it out" back in the spring, but then when Katie Couric pressed her on it this summer, she wouldn't talk about it:

http://www.ozy.com/politics-and-power/where-gillibrand-draws-the-line-on-impeaching-trump/79867

And then, according to the NYT story from September linked here:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5808629#msg5808629

when asked at a donor event if she would run for president, she wouldn't rule it out.

And then there's the fact that she's courting national donors even though she's unlikely to face a serious challenge for reelection next year (a project that she started working on within weeks of Clinton's loss last November: https://pagesix.com/2016/11/24/kirsten-gillibrand-reaching-out-to-hillarys-donors/ ), and how she's voting with Booker, Sanders, and Warren against every Trump appointee, and siding with Sanders on virtually every domestic policy issue now, which is the smart play re: getting ahead in the Democratic primaries.  I'm sure all of that is just a coincidence. 

[Sirius_]

Getting ahead in the primaries by siding with Sanders who lost the primaries? I think people forget that he lost.

Even if she's likely to win, she won't just ignore the race. No announcements made about what that money is for yet.

[Mr. Morden]

Getting ahead in the primaries by siding with Sanders who lost the primaries?

Yes.  The 2020 Dem. field is overcrowded with "establishment" candidates, so the smart play for Gillibrand is branch out from being just a generic Clinton-esque establishment figure, and attract some Sanders supporters too.  Side with Sanders on the issues, but that's different from running a Sanders-esque campaign.

Honestly, it's not that different from what the Republican candidates were doing in the crowded 2012 and 2016 GOP primary fields.  They were mostly running to the right on the issues in 2012, even though "moderate establishment" candidate McCain was nominated in 2008, and then the same thing in 2016 even though Romney was nominated in 2012.  In a crowded field with no single overwhelming frontrunner, most of the candidates tend to play to the ideological extremes in terms of issue positions.

[King Lear]

Gillibrand is not a liberal she's a phony, fake, fraud, who's infiltrating the party and spewing horrific identity politics (obsession with policing people's sex lives) to undermine the blossoming left-wing economic policies (Single-payer health care, Free college, 15 dollar minimum wage) of sanders and warren. Remember she was endorsed by the NRA in her first run for a conservative upstate New York house seat in 2006 and she supported building a wall on the Mexican border and deporting hard-working undocumented immigrants that haven't committed violent crimes, she probably voted for trump for all we know.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Gillibrand is not a liberal she's a phony, fake, fraud, who's infiltrating the party and spewing horrific identity politics (obsession with policing people's sex lives) to undermine the blossoming left-wing economic policies (Single-payer health care, Free college, 15 dollar minimum wage) of sanders and warren. Remember she was endorsed by the NRA in her first run for a conservative upstate New York house seat in 2006 and she supported building a wall on the Mexican border and deporting hard-working undocumented immigrants that haven't committed violent crimes, she probably voted for trump for all we know.

So you're basically saying that being concerned about sexual harassment is a bad thing and when a man rapes a woman it's just a normal "sex life." Wow dude.

[Grassroots]

Gillibrand is not a liberal she's a phony, fake, fraud, who's infiltrating the party and spewing horrific identity politics (obsession with policing people's sex lives) to undermine the blossoming left-wing economic policies (Single-payer health care, Free college, 15 dollar minimum wage) of sanders and warren. Remember she was endorsed by the NRA in her first run for a conservative upstate New York house seat in 2006 and she supported building a wall on the Mexican border and deporting hard-working undocumented immigrants that haven't committed violent crimes, she probably voted for trump for all we know.

So you're basically saying that being concerned about sexual harassment is a bad thing and when a man rapes a woman it's just a normal "sex life." Wow dude.

There is a difference between sexual harassment and rape.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Be serious about what? The OP gives no reason for why she would not be able to win a primary.

[History505]

We're seemingly the only people all over the potential for her to run in 2020 and she declined last May. I think that she's way over-hyped and probably won't happen.

"And she declined last May"
 
 You must not know about a non-denial from potential candidates. Gilibrand has been giving non-denials throughout.

[CookieDamage]

Gillibrand is not a liberal she's a phony, fake, fraud, who's infiltrating the party and spewing horrific identity politics (obsession with policing people's sex lives) to undermine the blossoming left-wing economic policies (Single-payer health care, Free college, 15 dollar minimum wage) of sanders and warren. Remember she was endorsed by the NRA in her first run for a conservative upstate New York house seat in 2006 and she supported building a wall on the Mexican border and deporting hard-working undocumented immigrants that haven't committed violent crimes, she probably voted for trump for all we know.

Be gone, thot troll!

[BlueSwan]

She's totally running. It's pretty obvious.

I'm not keen on her, though. Her politics are generally fine and I'd obviously support her 100% if she was the nominee, but she comes off as a bit of a lightweight (Trump is actually on to something here) and too emotional. She's no Hillary Clinton.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

She's totally running. It's pretty obvious.

I'm not keen on her, though. Her politics are generally fine and I'd obviously support her 100% if she was the nominee, but she comes off as a bit of a lightweight (Trump is actually on to something here) and too emotional. She's no Hillary Clinton.

She doesn't have twitter meltdowns like Trump so her skin is definitely thicker than the commander-in-chief's.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Gillibrand is not a liberal she's a phony, fake, fraud, who's infiltrating the party and spewing horrific identity politics (obsession with policing people's sex lives) to undermine the blossoming left-wing economic policies (Single-payer health care, Free college, 15 dollar minimum wage) of sanders and warren. Remember she was endorsed by the NRA in her first run for a conservative upstate New York house seat in 2006 and she supported building a wall on the Mexican border and deporting hard-working undocumented immigrants that haven't committed violent crimes, she probably voted for trump for all we know.

So you're basically saying that being concerned about sexual harassment is a bad thing and when a man rapes a woman it's just a normal "sex life." Wow dude.

There is a difference between sexual harassment and rape.

In this case, it truly doesn't ing matter.

[Sestak]

Gillibrand is not a liberal she's a phony, fake, fraud, who's infiltrating the party and spewing horrific identity politics (obsession with policing people's sex lives) to undermine the blossoming left-wing economic policies (Single-payer health care, Free college, 15 dollar minimum wage) of sanders and warren. Remember she was endorsed by the NRA in her first run for a conservative upstate New York house seat in 2006 and she supported building a wall on the Mexican border and deporting hard-working undocumented immigrants that haven't committed violent crimes, she probably voted for trump for all we know.

So you're basically saying that being concerned about sexual harassment is a bad thing and when a man rapes a woman it's just a normal "sex life." Wow dude.

Is being a rape apologist a bannable offense?

[CookieDamage]

She's totally running. It's pretty obvious.

I'm not keen on her, though. Her politics are generally fine and I'd obviously support her 100% if she was the nominee, but she comes off as a bit of a lightweight (Trump is actually on to something here) and too emotional. She's no Hillary Clinton.

.... He insinuated she was a whore. He ain't on to sh**t except misogyny.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

She's totally running. It's pretty obvious.

I'm not keen on her, though. Her politics are generally fine and I'd obviously support her 100% if she was the nominee, but she comes off as a bit of a lightweight (Trump is actually on to something here) and too emotional. She's no Hillary Clinton.

Ok, why is it that every stupid thing Trump says or does is a part of some sort of genius master plan that we haven't seen yet? 

[Grassroots]

She's totally running. It's pretty obvious.

I'm not keen on her, though. Her politics are generally fine and I'd obviously support her 100% if she was the nominee, but she comes off as a bit of a lightweight (Trump is actually on to something here) and too emotional. She's no Hillary Clinton.

Ok, why is it that every stupid thing Trump says or does is a part of some sort of genius master plan that we haven't seen yet? 

Its not a master plan, he's just extracting people's salt. Its quite clear that no one will let him do anything he wants to do political wise, so in the meantime before he is out of office he just doesn't give a damn and funnels all his opinions on twitter for maximum reaction.