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« on: December 08, 2017, 08:41:23 PM »
« edited: December 08, 2017, 08:44:31 PM by Castro »

Roy Moore - 49%
Doug Jones - 45%
Uncertain - 6%

Trump approval: 55-42 (+13)

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Gravis Marketing‏ @GravisMarketing 5 minutes ago
Note if we used the previous turnout model jones would be ahead by 2%.  in light of the consistent movement in the raw data, the voting model was shifted from plus-15 Republican to plus-23 Republican.

https://twitter.com/GravisMarketing/status/939308265518911489
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2017, 08:45:06 PM »

Alabama is despicable
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2017, 08:54:48 PM »

“In light of movement in the raw data”

Translated:

“We’re herding”
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2017, 08:57:35 PM »

“In light of movement in the raw data”

Translated:

“We’re herding”
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2017, 08:57:50 PM »

Gravis Marketing‏ @GravisMarketing 5 minutes ago
Note if we used the previous turnout model jones would be ahead by 2%.  in light of the consistent movement in the raw data, the voting model was shifted from plus-15 Republican to plus-23 Republican.

https://twitter.com/GravisMarketing/status/939308265518911489

LOL

Has any other pollster outright admitted to herding before?
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2017, 09:01:40 PM »

Gravis Marketing‏ @GravisMarketing 5 minutes ago
Note if we used the previous turnout model jones would be ahead by 2%.  in light of the consistent movement in the raw data, the voting model was shifted from plus-15 Republican to plus-23 Republican.

https://twitter.com/GravisMarketing/status/939308265518911489

Even with the original model, there is a two point shift towards Moore. Not exactly what you want to see this close to the election.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2017, 11:34:03 PM »
« Edited: December 08, 2017, 11:36:53 PM by ExtremeConservative »

Do Alabama Hispanics and Asians always vote identically to Alabama whites or is this just a case of the white vote dropping to the Asian/Hispanic level (~62% Republican)?

It seems that Moore has also closed the age gap greatly (going from ~22% of the 18-29 vote in the last poll to nearly 40% this time).  Maybe some of the unenthusiastic young Republicans are coming home?
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2017, 11:38:38 PM »

I'm so confused by what they said. "Our survey had Jones leading, but we decided Republican turnout will be much higher than we though last week so we gave some points to Moore." I don't have high hopes for a Democrat in Alabama but this just seems off, especially in light of SurveyMonkey.
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2017, 11:47:25 PM »

I can't freaking wait until this Hell-spawn of an election is over, God.
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2017, 11:50:15 PM »

-> "How do we prevent them from accusing us of herding?"

-> "By telling them that we're herding."

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2017, 11:53:24 PM »
« Edited: December 08, 2017, 11:55:24 PM by Devout Centrist »

Ironically, both the unweighted Survey Monkey poll and the unweighted Gravis numbers show Jones leading by 2. I applaud Gravis for hedging their bets in such an obvious fashion.

BIG SHIFT!!!!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2017, 03:05:49 AM »

I still have a feeling that Doug Jones will narrowly win in an upset, despite these recent polls.
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2017, 03:16:23 AM »

I still have a feeling that Doug Jones will narrowly win in an upset, despite these recent polls.
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2017, 03:48:10 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2017, 04:27:03 AM »

Moore will probably win but this poll is still utter junk
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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2017, 08:39:30 PM »

Always knew he would win. People mocked me when I said Handel would win by 53-47 or 54-46, and she won 52-48. Why, because I may be stupid, but not stupid enough to change my mind for little things and hop on bandwagons for small things. I stick with my predictions unless something drastic happens, and I sometimes end up right. Though I hope I am wrong on this one. Moore will win around 53-45, and do not be surprised if it is by even more.
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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2017, 02:15:13 AM »

Moore leading in Gravis is great news for Jones!
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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2017, 11:08:46 PM »

LOLOLOLOL if Gravis didn't herd they would have been the gold standard. Too bad the right-wing hacks who run Gravis cared more about pushing a narrative!
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2017, 11:10:32 PM »

Gravis should've stayed with their model!
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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2017, 11:28:45 PM »

Gravis should've stayed with their model!

Yeah, seriously WTF. Gravis would have nailed a second straight election if they just trusted themselves.
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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2017, 11:43:35 PM »

Gravis should've stayed with their model!

Yeah, seriously WTF. Gravis would have nailed a second straight election if they just trusted themselves.
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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2017, 11:50:30 PM »

That’s what you get for herding, Gravis
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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2017, 01:16:51 AM »

That’s what you get for herding, Gravis
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2017, 10:21:58 AM »

An incredibly important lesson that all pollsters must learn: don't change your methodology until you have an independent, credible reason to do so.
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2017, 09:14:51 AM »

I love how people were predicting their downfall before it even happened. They're probably gonna go back to their old methodology after being screwed like that so I don't think it matters that their official result was wrong. They don't get to take the credit, but it still means they've got a lot of promise as a polling firm.
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