Jose zarate found not guilty of killing Kate Steinle

[Tartarus Sauce]

Either way, Zarate should not have been in this country in the first place. A beautiful young life was taken because of him, whether he intended to kill her or not. Time to end sanctuary cities.

This is just an unfortunate situation and the Zarate situation was just an example of one bad apple, but it's no reason to end sanctuary cities. If anything we need to follow the lead of newly elected New Jersey Governor who has promised to make New Jersey a sanctuary state.

There is zero justification for sanctuary cities and a reason they poll poorly

Being a sanctuary city doesn't actually prevent illegals from getting deported, it just means the municipal government has decided not to transform their local law enforcement into devoluted ICE agents. The justification for not enforcing immigration laws at the locals level stems from rather clear rulings from courts that immigration law enforcement is constitutionally the obligation of only the federal government.

The fact that this guy was deported five times should highlight how the federal government still has the authority to deport immigrants in sanctuary cities. The fact he crossed the border five times is an indication that the federal government is really bad at its job of enforcing immigration laws. That's not the fault of "sanctuary cities." Sanctuary cities poll poorly because most people don't understand the law, but the logic for them makes sense from the standpoint of local municipalities.

Some people also don't seem to understand how jury trials work, as evidenced by some of the responses in this thread.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Was involuntary manslaughter not a possible charge?

I was reading that California doesnt have involuntary manslaughter, but someone can correct me.

It does not, IIRC.

[TPIG]

Interesting how liberals here are more focused with the some hyperbolic language by a poster than the fact that a person can be deported five times, illegally obtain a firearm, and 'accidentally' kill an American citizen. That should be the focus.

Uh, maybe because this isn't some rampant f[inks]ing problem going on all across the country on a daily basis? The only reason conservatives are "focused" on it is because the seemingly culpable party is one of the many "Others" that feed their fearmongering.

That's why white guys mowing down tens of thousands of people every year isn't a real issue, but anything with the scent of brown, black, foreign or queer gets their undivided attention.

Or, maybe it's because it shows there's a fundamental error in immigration enforcement that needs to be rectified to prevent things like this from happening again.

[Keep cool-idge]

BUILD THE WALL.

[Gass3268]

Either way, Zarate should not have been in this country in the first place. A beautiful young life was taken because of him, whether he intended to kill her or not. Time to end sanctuary cities.

This is just an unfortunate situation and the Zarate situation was just an example of one bad apple, but it's no reason to end sanctuary cities. If anything we need to follow the lead of newly elected New Jersey Governor who has promised to make New Jersey a sanctuary state.

There is zero justification for sanctuary cities and a reason they poll poorly

Being a sanctuary city doesn't actually prevent illegals from getting deported, it just means the municipal government has decided not to transform their local law enforcement into devoluted ICE agents. The justification for not enforcing immigration laws at the locals level stems from rather clear rulings from courts that immigration law enforcement is constitutionally the obligation of only the federal government.

The fact that this guy was deported five times should highlight how the federal government still has the authority to deport immigrants in sanctuary cities. The fact he crossed the border five times is an indication that the federal government is really bad at its job of enforcing immigration laws. That's not the fault of "sanctuary cities." Sanctuary cities poll poorly because most people don't understand the law, but the logic for them makes sense from the standpoint of local municipalities.

Some people also don't seem to understand how jury trials work, as evidenced by some of the responses in this thread.

This is the smartest post in this entire thread.

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

Was involuntary manslaughter not a possible charge?

I was reading that California doesnt have involuntary manslaughter, but someone can correct me.

It does not, IIRC.

Sounds like we do have it.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=192.

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[Sumner 1868]

Interesting how liberals here are more focused with the some hyperbolic language by a poster than the fact that a person can be deported five times, illegally obtain a firearm, and 'accidentally' kill an American citizen. That should be the focus.

Uh, maybe because this isn't some rampant f[inks]ing problem going on all across the country on a daily basis? The only reason conservatives are "focused" on it is because the seemingly culpable party is one of the many "Others" that feed their fearmongering.

That's why white guys mowing down tens of thousands of people every year isn't a real issue, but anything with the scent of brown, black, foreign or queer gets their undivided attention.

Or, maybe it's because it shows there's a fundamental error in immigration enforcement that needs to be rectified to prevent things like this from happening again.

"We must enact strict gun laws so Columbine/Virginia Tech/Sandy Hook/Orlando/Vegas never occurs again."

[Suburbia]

We have an imperfect justice system. I'm not sure why this is shocking to republicans.

They only care when it effects white people.

Just like how liberals only care when minorities are impacted by criminal justice issues.

[Keep cool-idge]

We have an imperfect justice system. I'm not sure why this is shocking to republicans.

They only care when it effects white people.

Just like how liberals only care when minorities are impacted by criminal justice issues.

It’s because it wins them votes.

[Gass3268]

Interesting how liberals here are more focused with the some hyperbolic language by a poster than the fact that a person can be deported five times, illegally obtain a firearm, and 'accidentally' kill an American citizen. That should be the focus.

Uh, maybe because this isn't some rampant f[inks]ing problem going on all across the country on a daily basis? The only reason conservatives are "focused" on it is because the seemingly culpable party is one of the many "Others" that feed their fearmongering.

That's why white guys mowing down tens of thousands of people every year isn't a real issue, but anything with the scent of brown, black, foreign or queer gets their undivided attention.

Or, maybe it's because it shows there's a fundamental error in immigration enforcement that needs to be rectified to prevent things like this from happening again.

"We must enact strict gun laws so Columbine/Virginia Tech/Sandy Hook/Orlando/Vegas never occurs again."

Muh guns!

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

BUILD THE WALL.

Yeah, this is DEFINITELY the party of the RINOs on Atlas!

Seriously though, the Republicans here are mostly RINO Democrats in denial about the party, and we need more people who are representative of the party's Roy Moore/Ann Coulter prevailing ideology.

We need ones who aren’t trolls though.

[SteveRogers]

We have an imperfect justice system. I'm not sure why this is shocking to republicans.

They only care when it effects white people.

Just like how liberals only care when minorities are impacted by criminal justice issues.

[Adam Griffin]

Interesting how liberals here are more focused with the some hyperbolic language by a poster than the fact that a person can be deported five times, illegally obtain a firearm, and 'accidentally' kill an American citizen. That should be the focus.

Uh, maybe because this isn't some rampant f[inks]ing problem going on all across the country on a daily basis? The only reason conservatives are "focused" on it is because the seemingly culpable party is one of the many "Others" that feed their fearmongering.

That's why white guys mowing down tens of thousands of people every year isn't a real issue, but anything with the scent of brown, black, foreign or queer gets their undivided attention.

Or, maybe it's because it shows there's a fundamental error in immigration enforcement that needs to be rectified to prevent things like this from happening again.

Well, keep dreaming I guess. There is never going to be any functional solution that keeps people from entering the country without authorization. The vast majority do in fact enter the country legally and just never leave. The rest can dig, swim, find a way to cross via Canada or any other number of methods to get here if they so wish.

And the reason almost all want to come here is at the root of the issue - but one your side of the aisle will never admit to nor care to fix out of fear of pissing off donors (opportunity to work; cheap labor). Instead it's all about Rapin' Immigrants and dumb-ass walls.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

BUILD THE WALL.

Yeah, this is DEFINITELY the party of the RINOs on Atlas!

Seriously though, the Republicans here are mostly RINO Democrats in denial about the party, and we need more people who are representative of the party's Roy Moore/Ann Coulter prevailing ideology.

We need ones who aren’t trolls though.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Y'all need to learn that immigrants are people with thoughts and feelings, hopes and dreams, and not just these "illegals"pretty much a slur at this point. that don't get to be here because of some thoughtless rationalization about nation-states or whatever.

[Usili]

It’s a San Francisco they let Kate die. Because they care more about illegals then citizens or legal immigrants.

So you're basically saying to let at least hundreds of people who likely had nothing to do with this whatsoever to die simply as 'revenge' for what a jury of twelve individuals decided on in private after hearing the evidence?

It’s just the jury it’s all of San Francisco’s fault for being a liberal disgusting city, it’s the voters faults for letting it happen

I thought you had said you were a Christian and believed the Ten Commandments should be put in every classroom. If you forget, the Fifth Commandment is 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'. Under what circumstances then are your words in suggesting their deaths as not violating that of the Fifth Commandment?

Y'all need to learn that immigrants are people with thoughts and feelings, hopes and dreams, and not just these "illegals"pretty much a slur at this point. that don't get to be here because of some thoughtless rationalization about nation-states or whatever.

I wish there was some way to like this, but 100% this.

[Keep cool-idge]

BUILD THE WALL.

Yeah, this is DEFINITELY the party of the RINOs on Atlas!

Seriously though, the Republicans here are mostly RINO Democrats in denial about the party, and we need more people who are representative of the party's Roy Moore/Ann Coulter prevailing ideology.

I can’t stand Ann Coulter.

[TheSaint250]

So we have one side calling for the deaths of many people and the other saying the first side hates non-white people.

As others have said, peak Atlas.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

So we have one side calling for the deaths of many people and the other saying the first side hates non-white people.

As others have said, peak Atlas.

[Keep cool-idge]

Y'all need to learn that immigrants are people with thoughts and feelings, hopes and dreams, and not just these "illegals"pretty much a slur at this point. that don't get to be here because of some thoughtless rationalization about nation-states or whatever.

Listen an immigrant and an illegal is two very different things.

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

Was involuntary manslaughter not a possible charge?

I was reading that California doesnt have involuntary manslaughter, but someone can correct me.

It does not, IIRC.

Sounds like we do have it.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=192.

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Also, it was one of the charges considered.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoerner/undocumented-man-found-in-death-of-kate-steinle?utm_term=.dsvY11qGdA#.amldppJNwX

[Kamala]

So we have one side calling for the deaths of many people and the other saying the first side hates non-white people.

As others have said, peak Atlas.

Just an aside, but do you do anything other than empty quoting others?

[Gass3268]

Y'all need to learn that immigrants are people with thoughts and feelings, hopes and dreams, and not just these "illegals"pretty much a slur at this point. that don't get to be here because of some thoughtless rationalization about nation-states or whatever.

Listen an immigrant and an illegal is two very different things.

A human being cannot be illegal.

[Keep cool-idge]

It’s a San Francisco they let Kate die. Because they care more about illegals then citizens or legal immigrants.

So you're basically saying to let at least hundreds of people who likely had nothing to do with this whatsoever to die simply as 'revenge' for what a jury of twelve individuals decided on in private after hearing the evidence?

It’s just the jury it’s all of San Francisco’s fault for being a liberal disgusting city, it’s the voters faults for letting it happen

I thought you had said you were a Christian and believed the Ten Commandments should be put in every classroom. If you forget, the Fifth Commandment is 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'. Under what circumstances then are your words in suggesting their deaths as not violating that of the Fifth Commandment?

Y'all need to learn that immigrants are people with thoughts and feelings, hopes and dreams, and not just these "illegals"pretty much a slur at this point. that don't get to be here because of some thoughtless rationalization about nation-states or whatever.

I wish there was some way to like this, but 100% this.

All I’m saying is don’t be surprised if an earthquake happens to San Francisco because they just let someone get away with murder.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

It’s a San Francisco they let Kate die. Because they care more about illegals then citizens or legal immigrants.

So you're basically saying to let at least hundreds of people who likely had nothing to do with this whatsoever to die simply as 'revenge' for what a jury of twelve individuals decided on in private after hearing the evidence?

It’s just the jury it’s all of San Francisco’s fault for being a liberal disgusting city, it’s the voters faults for letting it happen

I thought you had said you were a Christian and believed the Ten Commandments should be put in every classroom. If you forget, the Fifth Commandment is 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'. Under what circumstances then are your words in suggesting their deaths as not violating that of the Fifth Commandment?

Y'all need to learn that immigrants are people with thoughts and feelings, hopes and dreams, and not just these "illegals"pretty much a slur at this point. that don't get to be here because of some thoughtless rationalization about nation-states or whatever.

I wish there was some way to like this, but 100% this.

All I’m saying is don’t be surprised if an earthquake happens to San Francisco because they just let someone get away with murder an accidental death that likely could not have been reasonably forseen.