Prediction: The sexual harassment outrage will hurt democrats, not help them.

[BlueSwan]

The usual thing is happening. Liberals are taking something that is a very real issue - in this case sexism, rape culture and actual sexual harassment, and end up trivializing it by labelling every little joke or minor misdeed "sexual assault" or worse. The Al Franken case is a great example of this.

Guess what, most americans, and especially the white working class, are not down with that at all. They see it as hysteric. It becomes all too easy for them to label everybody taking up these issues as "feminazis", "politically correct", "elitist" or just out of touch with reality. In the process they end up supporting ACTUAL offenders like Roy Moore or Donald Trump because liberals lump them all together, not being able to distinguish between actual sexual harassment and brattish behaviour.

The result is that we end up losing as usual, not just electorally, but the actual important issue of REAL harassment. When will the more hysteric amongst us liberals learn the lesson??

[junior chįmp]

2018 will be the year of the middle aged white female

GOP going down!

[publicunofficial]

God you suck.

[Pyro]

Please, do tell what you consider to be "REAL" harassment.

[BlueSwan]

Please, do tell what you consider to be "REAL" harassment.

Roy Moore, Donald Trump, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, etc.

Not what we have heard about Al Franken.

Playfully grabbing someone's ass (who is not someone that you employ or hold any other type of power over): Not harassment.

Continually grabbing that person's ass after you have been told not to do it, or grabbing someone's ass you you hold some king of power over: Harassment.

Please be advised that "not" labelling something harassment, doesn't mean that said behaviour is condoned.

[publicunofficial]

Hey BlueSwan please grab a woman by the ass "playfully" next time you see one and see if she thinks It's assault.

[kyc0705]

Please, do tell what you consider to be "REAL" harassment.

Roy Moore, Donald Trump, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, etc.

If you would only categorize that as "harassment," I'd hate to see what you'd consider "assault."

Al Franken is accused of shoving his tongue down a woman's throat just because he wanted to. It's literally an uninvited sexual action. What the hell do you call that?

[publicunofficial]

Please, do tell what you consider to be "REAL" harassment.

Roy Moore, Donald Trump, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, etc.

If you would only categorize that as "harassment," I'd hate to see what you'd consider "assault."

Al Franken is accused of shoving his tongue down a woman's throat just because he wanted to. It's literally an uninvited sexual action. What the hell do you call that?

I'll answer for him: He doesn't actually care about women he just wants to see s**ty Democrats win elections.

[Devout Centrist]

Remember it’s REAL sexual harassment if she says no. Otherwise, it’s fine!

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

LOL @ claiming Trump and Moore are sexual harassers.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

The usual thing is happening. Liberals are taking something that is a very real issue - in this case sexism, rape culture and actual sexual harassment, and end up trivializing it by labelling every little joke or minor misdeed "sexual assault" or worse. The Al Franken case is a great example of this.

Guess what, most americans, and especially the white working class, are not down with that at all. They see it as hysteric. It becomes all too easy for them to label everybody taking up these issues as "feminazis", "politically correct", "elitist" or just out of touch with reality. In the process they end up supporting ACTUAL offenders like Roy Moore or Donald Trump because liberals lump them all together, not being able to distinguish between actual sexual harassment and brattish behaviour.

The result is that we end up losing as usual, not just electorally, but the actual important issue of REAL harassment. When will the more hysteric amongst us liberals learn the lesson??

Just after my gf, sisters in law and nieces tell me they're fine with being raped for ephemeral political advantage with Trump voters. I.e. NEVER,  since that might not have been clear enough for you.

People (using the word very loosely) who think there should be a debate about what level of sexual predation and assault is acceptable are NEVER going to vote for strong female candidates. They will NEVER vote for full enforcement of civil and human rights. They will, however, be likely be easily swayed by whatever hate and nonsense the GOP is vomiting this time. (See 2016, 2004, etc.)

We can, if necessary, wait and endure until we win victories that mean something and cement our victories and progress  as firmly as is possible in human society. Or we can sell out the progress we have already made in favor of pro forma victories worth NOTHING in the long run.

Take what you just said and apply it to the economy, and you have a virtual road map for how we got to the current fetid morass of wealth inequality and capitalism run amok. And you want to do the same thing to women (and by extension civil rights in general)? No thank you.

[publicunofficial]

"Pragmatic progressive" is a fun way of saying snivelling coward.

[junior chįmp]

LOL @ claiming Trump and Moore are sexual harassers.

Would you let either babysit your daughter? Just saying..

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

LOL @ claiming Trump and Moore are sexual harassers.

Would you let either babysit your daughter? Just saying..

Of course. Trump is undeniably the greatest family man to serve as President in over a century. And it would be an honor to have a true Christian instill proper values.

[junior chįmp]

LOL @ claiming Trump and Moore are sexual harassers.

Would you let either babysit your daughter? Just saying..

Of course. Trump is undeniably the greatest family man to serve as President in over a century. And it would be an honor to have a true Christian instill proper values.

Whew lads! Trolling aside....may Lord Jesus help you

[Devout Centrist]

LOL @ claiming Trump and Moore are sexual harassers.

Would you let either babysit your daughter? Just saying..

Of course. Trump is undeniably the greatest family man to serve as President in over a century. And it would be an honor to have a true Christian instill proper values.

You mean, New York values. You’ll want Roy Moore to teach your daughters good Christian values

[BlueSwan]

Hey BlueSwan please grab a woman by the ass "playfully" next time you see one and see if she thinks It's assault.

I would never do that.

[BlueSwan]

Please, do tell what you consider to be "REAL" harassment.

Roy Moore, Donald Trump, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, etc.

If you would only categorize that as "harassment," I'd hate to see what you'd consider "assault."

Al Franken is accused of shoving his tongue down a woman's throat just because he wanted to. It's literally an uninvited sexual action. What the hell do you call that?

An uninvited sexual action.

[BlueSwan]

The usual thing is happening. Liberals are taking something that is a very real issue - in this case sexism, rape culture and actual sexual harassment, and end up trivializing it by labelling every little joke or minor misdeed "sexual assault" or worse. The Al Franken case is a great example of this.

Guess what, most americans, and especially the white working class, are not down with that at all. They see it as hysteric. It becomes all too easy for them to label everybody taking up these issues as "feminazis", "politically correct", "elitist" or just out of touch with reality. In the process they end up supporting ACTUAL offenders like Roy Moore or Donald Trump because liberals lump them all together, not being able to distinguish between actual sexual harassment and brattish behaviour.

The result is that we end up losing as usual, not just electorally, but the actual important issue of REAL harassment. When will the more hysteric amongst us liberals learn the lesson??

Just after my gf, sisters in law and nieces tell me they're fine with being raped for ephemeral political advantage with Trump voters. I.e. NEVER,  since that might not have been clear enough for you.

People (using the word very loosely) who think there should be a debate about what level of sexual predation and assault is acceptable are NEVER going to vote for strong female candidates. They will NEVER vote for full enforcement of civil and human rights. They will, however, be likely be easily swayed by whatever hate and nonsense the GOP is vomiting this time. (See 2016, 2004, etc.)

Taking this kind of black or white attitude to the realm of human interaction is deeply problematic. Context is important. Flirtation is grey area stuff. Failure to realize this will cost liberals elections AND it will hurt the cause of preventing actual sexual harassment/assault.

[kyc0705]

Please, do tell what you consider to be "REAL" harassment.

Roy Moore, Donald Trump, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, etc.

If you would only categorize that as "harassment," I'd hate to see what you'd consider "assault."

Al Franken is accused of shoving his tongue down a woman's throat just because he wanted to. It's literally an uninvited sexual action. What the hell do you call that?

An uninvited sexual action.

You're still burying the fact that you consider what Cosby and Weinstein did to only be "harassment."

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

The usual thing is happening. Liberals are taking something that is a very real issue - in this case sexism, rape culture and actual sexual harassment, and end up trivializing it by labelling every little joke or minor misdeed "sexual assault" or worse. The Al Franken case is a great example of this.

Guess what, most americans, and especially the white working class, are not down with that at all. They see it as hysteric. It becomes all too easy for them to label everybody taking up these issues as "feminazis", "politically correct", "elitist" or just out of touch with reality. In the process they end up supporting ACTUAL offenders like Roy Moore or Donald Trump because liberals lump them all together, not being able to distinguish between actual sexual harassment and brattish behaviour.

The result is that we end up losing as usual, not just electorally, but the actual important issue of REAL harassment. When will the more hysteric amongst us liberals learn the lesson??

Just after my gf, sisters in law and nieces tell me they're fine with being raped for ephemeral political advantage with Trump voters. I.e. NEVER,  since that might not have been clear enough for you.

People (using the word very loosely) who think there should be a debate about what level of sexual predation and assault is acceptable are NEVER going to vote for strong female candidates. They will NEVER vote for full enforcement of civil and human rights. They will, however, be likely be easily swayed by whatever hate and nonsense the GOP is vomiting this time. (See 2016, 2004, etc.)

Taking this kind of black or white attitude to the realm of human interaction is deeply problematic. Context is important. Flirtation is grey area stuff. Failure to realize this will cost liberals elections AND it will hurt the cause of preventing actual sexual harassment/assault.

No, it won't. Nor is it a 'grey area'.

Here is a video on consent and tea that you could benefit from:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8

(And if you watch it and then immediately start imagining justifiable edge cases, you are a broken person who needs help.)

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Um I'm not so sure.

[Jeppe]

Thank god for women voters, because unlike you, they actually care about politicians about sleazy sexual predators.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Thank god for women voters, because unlike you, they actually care about politicians about sleazy sexual predators.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000961

You must be logged in to read this quote.

[Jeppe]

Thank god for women voters, because unlike you, they actually care about politicians about sleazy sexual predators.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000961

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Northam won women by 22 points while losing men by 8 points, although I imagine there was a large gap between unmarried and married women too.

Toronto’s former right-wing mayor brought in lots of support from immigrant voters who wanted to stick it to the wealthy whites living downtown, does that mean minorities are going to start voting for right-wing candidates in America too? Probably not, international elections should not be used as a framework for American election.