2016: Clinton/Manchin (D-NY/WV) vs. Trump/Pence (R-NY/IN)

[WestVegeta]

I think having the Clinton's longtime friend and centrist Sen. Manchin as her VP could increase WWC appeal to the point where PA and MI go Democrat, and WV comes extremely close to flipping for Hillary (Manchin's WWC appeal is intensified here, and with him as VP she never says "we're going to put a lot of coal miners out of business!") but ultimately doesn't.

Discuss?

[Lechasseur]

I think having the Clinton's longtime friend and centrist Sen. Manchin as her VP could increase WWC appeal to the point where PA and MI go Democrat, and WV comes extremely close to flipping for Hillary (Manchin's WWC appeal is intensified here, and with him as VP she never says "we're going to put a lot of coal miners out of business!") but ultimately doesn't.

Discuss?

Clinton would also take Wisconsin and maybe Florida

[WestVegeta]

I only changed PA and MI because they were the closest margins of defeat. She could maybe pick up WI because of the WWC appeal, but idk about Florida.

[President Johnson]

I think there wouldn't be a big difference. In most cases, the effects of a running mate are overrated. There are only few exceptions in history, like Palin doing harm for McCain and LBJ helping JFK.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

I think there wouldn't be a big difference. In most cases, the effects of a running mate are overrated. There are only few exceptions in history, like Palin doing harm for McCain and LBJ helping JFK.

At the very least, I think Clintons wins a few counties in West Virginia and Kentucky with Manchin as her running mate.

[WestVegeta]

I think there wouldn't be a big difference. In most cases, the effects of a running mate are overrated. There are only few exceptions in history, like Palin doing harm for McCain and LBJ helping JFK.

i think that maybe by selecting a West Virginian who errs to towards the Blue Dog side of the party would help offset that "liberal elitist who wants to steal all our jobs" image, and it could be enough to turn 50,000 or so votes in two states for her, from people who didn't like Trump as a person but thought they'd lose their livelihoods under Clinton.

[bagelman]

Trump still wins

[AtorBoltox]

Progressive enthusiasm for Clinton is even lower than it was in real life, loses Minnesota and New Hampshire

[GoTfan]

Progressive enthusiasm for Clinton is even lower than it was in real life, loses Minnesota and New Hampshire

This. It would destory whatever following she had with the left, as well as alienating women who find Manchin's stance on Planned Parenthood troubling.

[The Govanah Jake]

Progressive enthusiasm for Clinton is even lower than it was in real life, loses Minnesota and New Hampshire

This. It would destory whatever following she had with the left, as well as alienating women who find Manchin's stance on Planned Parenthood troubling.