Alabama Megathread 2: Thou Shall Not Touch Teenage Girls

[IceSpear]

The idea that Trump will swing it to Moore is laughable. He couldn't even get Republican primary voters in Alabama to obey him-how can you expect him to get a less pro-Trump to vote for a pedophile?! This guy is a total choker and loser, I look forward to Senator Doug Jones making his presidency even harder.

Trump is a God Emperor in Alabama.

[Pericles]

The idea that Trump will swing it to Moore is laughable. He couldn't even get Republican primary voters in Alabama to obey him-how can you expect him to get a less pro-Trump to vote for a pedophile?! This guy is a total choker and loser, I look forward to Senator Doug Jones making his presidency even harder.

Trump is a God Emperor in Alabama.

Oh yeah he sure helped Luther Strange in the Republican primary. He's a loser, and Doug Jones will prove it again.

[ursulahx]

If Jones wins, it’ll be a narrow victory. I imagine there’ll be some sort of legal challenge and, whether there is or not, the process of certification will suddenly find itself encountering all sorts of holdups and snags. Jones may not be seated before the midterms (if Merrick Garland could be kept off SCOTUS for a year - effectively for ever - anything is doable).

[The Other Castro]

Josh Kraushaar @HotlineJosh
WaPo poll of #ALSEN: Jones 50, Moore 47.  Awfully consistent with the internals I've been hearing about.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hotlinejosh/status/936944294090477573

[Old Man Willow]

The idea that Trump will swing it to Moore is laughable. He couldn't even get Republican primary voters in Alabama to obey him-how can you expect him to get a less pro-Trump to vote for a pedophile?! This guy is a total choker and loser, I look forward to Senator Doug Jones making his presidency even harder.

Trump is a God Emperor in Alabama.

Oh yeah he sure helped Luther Strange in the Republican primary. He's a loser, and Doug Jones will prove it again.

All that proves is they are more loyal to Trumpism than Trump, as Moore was definitely the Trumpite in the race.

[Pericles]

The idea that Trump will swing it to Moore is laughable. He couldn't even get Republican primary voters in Alabama to obey him-how can you expect him to get a less pro-Trump to vote for a pedophile?! This guy is a total choker and loser, I look forward to Senator Doug Jones making his presidency even harder.

Trump is a God Emperor in Alabama.

Oh yeah he sure helped Luther Strange in the Republican primary. He's a loser, and Doug Jones will prove it again.

All that proves is they are more loyal to Trumpism than Trump, as Moore was definitely the Trumpite in the race.

Roy Moore is more of a Ted Cruz tbh. And besides, if Roy Moore already has all the persuadable Trump voters and Trump's voters don't listen to him, that doesn't look good for Trump or Moore.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Josh Kraushaar @HotlineJosh
WaPo poll of #ALSEN: Jones 50, Moore 47.  Awfully consistent with the internals I've been hearing about.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hotlinejosh/status/936944294090477573

I thought Republican internals showed Moore to lose in a landslide, like the one by NRSC.

[Cactus Jack]

Josh Kraushaar @HotlineJosh
WaPo poll of #ALSEN: Jones 50, Moore 47.  Awfully consistent with the internals I've been hearing about.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hotlinejosh/status/936944294090477573

I thought Republican internals showed Moore to lose in a landslide, like the one by NRSC.

That's the only thing you've decided to take from this poll?

[Badger]

Josh Kraushaar @HotlineJosh
WaPo poll of #ALSEN: Jones 50, Moore 47.  Awfully consistent with the internals I've been hearing about.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hotlinejosh/status/936944294090477573

Jones at 50 is, as Biden would say, a big fu#$ing deal.

[Old Man Willow]

The idea that Trump will swing it to Moore is laughable. He couldn't even get Republican primary voters in Alabama to obey him-how can you expect him to get a less pro-Trump to vote for a pedophile?! This guy is a total choker and loser, I look forward to Senator Doug Jones making his presidency even harder.

Trump is a God Emperor in Alabama.

Oh yeah he sure helped Luther Strange in the Republican primary. He's a loser, and Doug Jones will prove it again.

All that proves is they are more loyal to Trumpism than Trump, as Moore was definitely the Trumpite in the race.

Roy Moore is more of a Ted Cruz tbh. And besides, if Roy Moore already has all the persuadable Trump voters and Trump's voters don't listen to him, that doesn't look good for Trump or Moore.

Trumpism (imo) doesn't extend beyond being "anti establishment" and taking extreme positions on certain issues that appall liberals. Moore definitely fit that bill more than Strange.

[Arkansas Yankee]

When is that Gravis poll due?

[The Other Castro]

When is that Gravis poll due?

Seems like they're pushing it to next week.

[MT Treasurer]

When is that Gravis poll due?

Seems like they're pushing it to next week.

I wonder if we'll get a last-minute "shocking" junk poll from Gravis like in Montana?

[OkThen]

Not at all surprising but interesting to get some sort of confirmation...

https://twitter.com/billineastala/status/937059671541800961

[Anna Komnene]

If Jones wins, it’ll be a narrow victory. I imagine there’ll be some sort of legal challenge and, whether there is or not, the process of certification will suddenly find itself encountering all sorts of holdups and snags. Jones may not be seated before the midterms (if Merrick Garland could be kept off SCOTUS for a year - effectively for ever - anything is doable).

Tin foil hat much? If the margin is less than 0.5% there will be an automatic recount. If not, there won't be and the winner will be certified like any other election.

[Cactus Jack]

If Jones wins, it’ll be a narrow victory. I imagine there’ll be some sort of legal challenge and, whether there is or not, the process of certification will suddenly find itself encountering all sorts of holdups and snags. Jones may not be seated before the midterms (if Merrick Garland could be kept off SCOTUS for a year - effectively for ever - anything is doable).

Tin foil hat much? If the margin is less than 0.5% there will be an automatic recount. If not, there won't be and the winner will be certified like any other election.

Of all the scorching hot takes in this cosmic bastard of a thread, OP's may be the hottest. I'm at risk of a heat stroke-induced brain hemorrhage.

[Cactus Jack]

If Jones wins, it’ll be a narrow victory. I imagine there’ll be some sort of legal challenge and, whether there is or not, the process of certification will suddenly find itself encountering all sorts of holdups and snags. Jones may not be seated before the midterms (if Merrick Garland could be kept off SCOTUS for a year - effectively for ever - anything is doable).

Tin foil hat much? If the margin is less than 0.5% there will be an automatic recount. If not, there won't be and the winner will be certified like any other election.

Of all the scorching hot takes in this cosmic bastard of a thread, OP's may be the hottest. I'm at risk of a heat stroke-induced brain hemorrhage.

Might as well get it out of the way now cuz you're gonna be really disappointed on Election Night 2018 if you think Dems are gonna make solid net gains in the Senate.

PNM, I like and respect you, but if you're going to start Chicken Littling about the election as a whole, I'll happily put you on ignore until November.

[DrScholl]

If Jones does win, I do expect McConnell to put up a fuss about seating him even without legal standing.

[GeorgiaModerate]

If Jones does win, I do expect McConnell to put up a fuss about seating him even without legal standing.

Why do you think that?  If the election is certified by the Alabama SoS, there would be no grounds to refuse to seat the winner.  McConnell is terrible in many ways, but I can't see him doing that just to be awful.

[Roronoa D. Law]

If Jones does win, I do expect McConnell to put up a fuss about seating him even without legal standing.

Why do you think that?  If the election is certified by the Alabama SoS, there would be no grounds to refuse to seat the winner.  McConnell is terrible in many ways, but I can't see him doing that just to be awful.

If McConnell wanted to do something he would have to told Strange to resign and have Ivey appoint Brooks and trigger a new election. If this wasn't on the table I doubt McConnell will put up a fight about seating Jones.

[Pennsylvania Deplorable]

Win or lose, Moore will still burn in hell for what he is done. And I sincerely hope that he does when it's time for judgment day. AN ELECTION AIN'T TICKET OUT OF HELL, LOL!

Again we don’t even know if what the women claimed is true.

That's what's so incredible. 95% of people on this site treat him as guilty until proven innocent (and I'm not sure they'd even accept it if he was proven innocent). I think he did date girls aged 16-18 with whom he did not have sex (according to all of those stories he was quite respectful and never went beyond kissing). Those stories all fit together soundly, however the allegation that he raped a 14 year old has him displaying an entirely different behavior towards her than is seen in any of the other cases. It also has no evidence for it besides a yearbook that the accuser's lawyer won't allow a neutral party to check for authenticity.

Moore is leading in the RCP average again. It seems most Alabama voters aren't convinced. I think he will win narrowly. After that, the Senate should demand the yearbook and check its veracity. If Moore is guilty, I hope there's enough proof to give him prison time. If he's innocent, I hope people here will stop saying "Republicans elected a pedophile."

Moore's behavior post revelations does not imply innocence. He stayed off the campaign trail for 8 days, which is incredibly suspicious behavior for an innocent man. None of the accusers gain anything by lying, other than finally gaining the chance to be heard.
 

It's incredibly suspicious that the accuser's lawyer won't allow the yearbook to be verified by a neutral third party. The notion that an accuser must automatically be believed because "she has no reason to lie" ought to have been done away with after the media ruined the lives of several innocent young men in the famous Duke Lacrosse trial with that exact attitude. I never even liked Roy Moore, but it's innocent until proven guilty, and there is no proof as of right now.

I asked before and you deplorables said nothing, so I'll ask again.
Even if we assume that Beverly Young lied, what about the seven other accusers?
What about people from that era who confirm that the guy was a known creep, harassing teen girls at the mall and their schools?
Are they all part of a giant conspiracy of gays, transgender and socialists?

I said it before and apparently the message was not received: ROY MOORE COULD PERSONALLY DIDDLE PENNSYLVANIA DEPLORABLE AND GREEDO AND THEYD STILL VOTE FOR HIM CUZ MUH DEMOCRAT

You literally have nothing but name calling. How dare I not condemn people as guilty based on word of mouth accusations alone? Speaking of "muh democrat," here's how I reacted when a democrat was accused.

Honestly what Barton is doing isn't resign worthy. What Franken and Conyers has done is.

It all is if true. Is there proof for Conyers though?

As you can see, I have this crazy idea that people are innocent until proven guilty and entitled to due process regardless of party. Your strawman attack is not just pathetically immature, it is objectively false.

[Landslide Lyndon]

You literally have nothing but name calling. How dare I not condemn people as guilty based on word of mouth accusations alone?

Unless of course their surname is Clinton.

[IceSpear]

If Jones wins, it’ll be a narrow victory. I imagine there’ll be some sort of legal challenge and, whether there is or not, the process of certification will suddenly find itself encountering all sorts of holdups and snags. Jones may not be seated before the midterms (if Merrick Garland could be kept off SCOTUS for a year - effectively for ever - anything is doable).

Tin foil hat much? If the margin is less than 0.5% there will be an automatic recount. If not, there won't be and the winner will be certified like any other election.

Of all the scorching hot takes in this cosmic bastard of a thread, OP's may be the hottest. I'm at risk of a heat stroke-induced brain hemorrhage.

Might as well get it out of the way now cuz you're gonna be really disappointed on Election Night 2018 if you think Dems are gonna make solid net gains in the Senate.

PNM, I like and respect you, but if you're going to start Chicken Littling about the election as a whole, I'll happily put you on ignore until November.

Oh the humanity! I'm surprised your ignore list isn't maxed out yet.

Thinking Democrats aren't going to win Texas and Wyoming isn't chicken littling, it's called being sane.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

UGHHHHH, I just want this overworked horse$h!+ to be over... just a few more days...

[Pouring Rain and Blairing Music]

If Jones does win, I do expect McConnell to put up a fuss about seating him even without legal standing.

Why do you think that?  If the election is certified by the Alabama SoS, there would be no grounds to refuse to seat the winner.  McConnell is terrible in many ways, but I can't see him doing that just to be awful.

If McConnell wanted to do something he would have to told Strange to resign and have Ivey appoint Brooks and trigger a new election. If this wasn't on the table I doubt McConnell will put up a fight about seating Jones.

I still don't think that would trigger a new election. There would definitely be a court case at the very least.