New Zealand Elections

[Hatman 🍁]

Why would you disagree? So what if she changed her gender. It's not her fault she was born as a man.

[Jake]

Why would you disagree? So what if she changed her gender. It's not her fault she was born as a man.

It's not her fault she's f'ed in the head either. That certainly doesn'ts mean we should stick her in Parliament though.

[Hatman 🍁]

Why would you disagree? So what if she changed her gender. It's not her fault she was born as a man.

It's not her fault she's f'ed in the head either. That certainly doesn'ts mean we should stick her in Parliament though.

She wasn't "stuck" there, she was elected. If you dont like it, tough sh**t.

[Jake]

Hopefully I don't here you complaining about politicians anymore.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Calm it down please

[PADem]

Why would you disagree? So what if she changed her gender. It's not her fault she was born as a man.

I believe that risky surgery for a lifestyle choice is at best a bad idea. Unlike Jake, however I respect her right to participate in the political process and be shown respect, and not subjected to being called f'd in the head for the choices she's made.

Regardless, this thread was supposed to be about discussing the pending election, which, just recently has seen as swing to the Center Right national party putting them in a good position just two weeks out.

[Colin]

Nobody cares about Gun Control (nobody needs guns anyway - police are unarmed)

Okay so let me get this straight. Nobody owns a gun and the police are unharmed? Holy sh**t if I ever want to get into a life of crime all I have to do is go to NZ with a few guns.

[Bono]

Nobody cares about Gun Control (nobody needs guns anyway - police are unarmed)

Okay so let me get this straight. Nobody owns a gun and the police are unharmed? Holy sh**t if I ever want to get into a life of crime all I have to do is go to NZ with a few guns.

No, lots of people own guns and you can(unless that law has changed since I read about it) own silencers without a license.

[AuH2O]

NZ actually has some serious crime problems, mostly robbery.

[PADem]

Nobody cares about Gun Control (nobody needs guns anyway - police are unarmed)

Okay so let me get this straight. Nobody owns a gun and the police are unharmed? Holy sh**t if I ever want to get into a life of crime all I have to do is go to NZ with a few guns.

Well certainly a few people own guns, but mainly farmers and hunters - there aren't many people who own a gun for protection. The police are unarmed - that is they don't carry a sidearm, but most police cars will have a gun locked in the back and their are Armed Offenders Squads (pretty much S.W.A.T) in each district.

[PADem]

NZ actually has some serious crime problems, mostly robbery.

Yes there is a deal of minor crime (burglary) and white collar crime etc, but violent crime isn't as much of an issue as it is the U.S as a whole, or in Australia.

[Platypus]

Yep, they send all their crims over here

[PADem]

Yep, they send all their crims over here

Remember, it was Australia which was founded as a Penal Colony.......

For all we know Hugh your ancestors could be mass murderers.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Any recent polls?

[PADem]

Any recent polls?

Yep.

Latest poll

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10345484

Shows National (the opposition with a 6 point lead over labour).

Even if they do win more seats than Labour, I think that Labour will likely sneak in, via a Green + Progressives Coalition.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Interesting. Seems as though the polls are bouncing all over the place...
I'd take a guess and say that while who winds up as largest party is up in the air, Labour are more likely to end up in Government.

[PADem]

Interesting. Seems as though the polls are bouncing all over the place...
I'd take a guess and say that while who winds up as largest party is up in the air, Labour are more likely to end up in Government.

I'd agree. However if the leader of ACT (the libertarian party) wins the right-leaning electorate (Epsom - a richer part of Auckland) then ACT could get into parliament despite not hitting the 5% threshold and thus through the election to National.

[PADem]

Well today is polling day. I voted myself by faxing my voting papers in for the Mighty Labour Party.

It looks like it will be down to the wire none the less. Will post updates when they are in, but there is still 7 hours to go...

[PADem]

http://www.tvnz.co.nz/view/news_minisite_index_skin/news_election_2005_group

Results available at above link. National and Labour are neck and neck with 55% counted.

[minionofmidas]

Very interesting. Formerly fractured right has basically reassembled.
Party Share (previous) projected seats

National 40.28 (21.08) 49
Labour 40.06 (41.32) 49
NZ First 5.83 (10.64)7
Green 5.15 (6.51) 6
Maori Party 1.84 (0.00) 4
United Future NZ 2.77 (6.84) 3
ACT 1.51 (7.09) 2
Progressive Coalition 1.26 (1.74) 2

5379 of 6216 polling places counted (86.53%)

What government can we expect on these figures?

[PADem]

Very interesting. Formerly fractured right has basically reassembled.
Party Share (previous) projected seats

National 40.28 (21.08) 49
Labour 40.06 (41.32) 49
NZ First 5.83 (10.64)7
Green 5.15 (6.51) 6
Maori Party 1.84 (0.00) 4
United Future NZ 2.77 (6.84) 3
ACT 1.51 (7.09) 2
Progressive Coalition 1.26 (1.74) 2

5379 of 6216 polling places counted (86.53%)

What government can we expect on these figures?

Well its changed a bit since then, Labour has 50 to Nationals 49 now. and Progressive Coalition will only get one seat

Currently the news networks are predicting a Labour (50) + Progessives (1) Coalition, with support on confidence supply and demand votes from the Greens (6), Maori Party (4) and United Future (3). That brings the total to 64 votes, out of a parliament of 122. The reason for the overhang (122 as opposed to 120) is that the Maori party has won four electorate seats (4 of the 7 reserved for Maori) yet get only 2% (enough for 2 seats) of the party vote.

United Future is in theory a center-right party, but the leader has said he will support on confidence, supply and demand, the party with the most seats.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Veeeeerrrrrrrrryyyyyyy close... first I heard was that National had won; the lead seems to have seesawed as much as the polls did.

Electorate results are here: http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electoratestatus.html

Seems as though Peters lost. A couple of seats split their tickets.

[PADem]

Veeeeerrrrrrrrryyyyyyy close... first I heard was that National had won; the lead seems to have seesawed as much as the polls did.

Electorate results are here: http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electoratestatus.html

Seems as though Peters lost. A couple of seats split their tickets.

Yes he did. Peters has held Tauranga for 21 years. In New Zealand Tauranga is nicknamed 'Gods Waiting Room' because it has so many old & retired people. It is these groups that give Peters & his anti-immigration/slightly nationalist party 'New Zealand First' their support, so that is a shocking loss.

Indeed a couple of seats did split their tickets. A lot of my relatives, who live in the electorate of Northcote (a suburban seat on Aucklands North Shore) voted for the National candidate (who won quite well), but gave their party vote to Labour.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

In New Zealand Tauranga is nicknamed 'Gods Waiting Room' because it has so many old & retired people.

Ah... like Eastbourne over here... (and exactly the same nickname is used...)

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Any other upsets?

[Platypus]

Labour lost Invercargill after a 5% swing away from them (and a 10% swing to the Nats)