Awaiting Trump's coal comeback, miners reject retraining

[Unapologetic Chinaperson]

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[DrScholl]

You can't teach old dogs new tricks.

[IceSpear]

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

They obviously need a Hillary supporter to go down there and tell them what's best for them.

[IceSpear]

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

They obviously need a Hillary supporter to go down there and tell them what's best for them.

I know you need to meet your Hillary mentioning quota for the day, but could you at least address the actual point of the article?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

They obviously need a Hillary supporter to go down there and tell them what's best for them.

I know you need to meet your Hillary mentioning quota for the day, but could you at least address the actual point of the article?

If you want people to trust you more than they trust some dishonest reality TV star, then don't treat them like dog sh**t.

[IceSpear]

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

They obviously need a Hillary supporter to go down there and tell them what's best for them.

I know you need to meet your Hillary mentioning quota for the day, but could you at least address the actual point of the article?

If you want people to trust you more than they trust some dishonest reality TV star, then don't treat them like dog sh**t.

It's not about "trust." It's about facts. Reality doesn't care about anyone's fee fees getting hurt.

[Yank2133]

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

They obviously need a Hillary supporter to go down there and tell them what's best for them.

I know you need to meet your Hillary mentioning quota for the day, but could you at least address the actual point of the article?

If you want people to trust you more than they trust some dishonest reality TV star, then don't treat them like dog sh**t.

It's not about "trust." It's about facts. Reality doesn't care about anyone's fee fees getting hurt.

This.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

Holy sh!t, I actually agree with Ice Spear about something WV-related.

[DrScholl]

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

They obviously need a Hillary supporter to go down there and tell them what's best for them.

The fact of the matter is that if you want your life to improve you need to make changes. You can't sit around waiting for old jobs to come back when they aren't coming back, you have to make other arrangements.

[Dr. Arch]

It takes a truly evil group like the Republican party to cash in on these people's hopes and dreams for political gain while defrauding them year after year. It's truly sickening.

[Kingpoleon]

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

They obviously need a Hillary supporter to go down there and tell them what's best for them.

I know you need to meet your Hillary mentioning quota for the day, but could you at least address the actual point of the article?

If you want people to trust you more than they trust some dishonest reality TV star, then don't treat them like dog sh**t.

It's not about "trust." It's about facts. Reality doesn't care about anyone's fee fees getting hurt.

I guess that’s why Richard Nixon and Lyndon Johnson are so popular, huh?

[pbrower2a]

It takes a truly evil group like the Republican party to cash in on these people's hopes and dreams for political gain while defrauding them year after year. It's truly sickening.

It also takes an evil man like Donald Trump to promise the impossible such as the revival of a moribund industry.

This horrid man would have gone to the macabre shell of the Packard Automobile Plant in Detroit and promised that Packard cars would make a comeback right in that place if people were stupid enough to believe him. (No automobile has been made there for nearly sixty years).

Appalachian coal is not coming back.  If President Trump is a 'friend of coal', he forgot to finish with the word 'barons'. He'd support huge subsidies to the coal business, but that would not ensure that there would be jobs.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

They obviously need a Hillary supporter to go down there and tell them what's best for them.

I know you need to meet your Hillary mentioning quota for the day, but could you at least address the actual point of the article?

If you want people to trust you more than they trust some dishonest reality TV star, then don't treat them like dog sh**t.

I hate to say it, but jfern sort of has a point here.

Trump is successfully demonstrating all the small but significant things Obama did to make the country a better place (by trying to reverse as many as he can). But when it comes to politicans and campaigning the only real message the Dems have truly succeed in driving home this century is: Democrats - Not Quite As Bad As Republicans! (But we'll still sell you out to Big Money.)

[publicunofficial]

You can't teach old dogs new tricks.

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

I bet both of you constantly wonder why the Democratic Party is routinely viewed as just as bad as the Republicans by most Americans.

[dead0man]

Reject retraining?  then eff off, no more free soup for you.  I don't care if you're a Trump luvin' coal miner or a Bernie luver with a BA in French Poetry.

[IceAgeComing]

There is one key thing that everyone seems to be ignoring here: namely the other reasons why people don't retrain - the fact that you're leaving an industry that currently pays well (and a whole lot more than other employment in the area) for no guarantee in an alternative industry that might not pay as well, in addition to the fact that you're bringing no money in while in a retraining programme which is rather important.  This would suggest to me that the problem is more with the direction of Federal retraining programmes, and that focusing on the sort of skills and programme where you could blend together employment and training - almost like an apprenticeship in a way, where a person is still bringing in an income while learning a new field - with a guarantee with some kind of place for at least a time at the end you'd help to address those concerns.

[KingSweden]

There is one key thing that everyone seems to be ignoring here: namely the other reasons why people don't retrain - the fact that you're leaving an industry that currently pays well (and a whole lot more than other employment in the area) for no guarantee in an alternative industry that might not pay as well, in addition to the fact that you're bringing no money in while in a retraining programme which is rather important.  This would suggest to me that the problem is more with the direction of Federal retraining programmes, and that focusing on the sort of skills and programme where you could blend together employment and training - almost like an apprenticeship in a way, where a person is still bringing in an income while learning a new field - with a guarantee with some kind of place for at least a time at the end you'd help to address those concerns.

These are very fair points

It’s worth pointing out too that coal production is at record highs with record lows of coal employment/headcount. Lots of automation which, considering how dangerous mining is, was probably inevitable. But it’s the same factors affecting every industry that’s ravaging mining, not “muh liberals”

[MasterJedi]

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

They obviously need a Hillary supporter to go down there and tell them what's best for them.

I know you need to meet your Hillary mentioning quota for the day, but could you at least address the actual point of the article?

If you want people to trust you more than they trust some dishonest reality TV star, then don't treat them like dog sh**t.

Will work about as well as promising them Bernie socialism when they think those people are commie traitors.

[Person Man]

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

They obviously need a Hillary supporter to go down there and tell them what's best for them.

I know you need to meet your Hillary mentioning quota for the day, but could you at least address the actual point of the article?

If you want people to trust you more than they trust some dishonest reality TV star, then don't treat them like dog sh**t.

Will work about as well as promising them Bernie socialism when they think those people are commie traitors.

And it can never be everyone's responsibility  that their lives suck? Just because they are responsible doesn't mean that others are as well.

[pbrower2a]

There is one key thing that everyone seems to be ignoring here: namely the other reasons why people don't retrain - the fact that you're leaving an industry that currently pays well (and a whole lot more than other employment in the area) for no guarantee in an alternative industry that might not pay as well, in addition to the fact that you're bringing no money in while in a retraining programme which is rather important.  This would suggest to me that the problem is more with the direction of Federal retraining programmes, and that focusing on the sort of skills and programme where you could blend together employment and training - almost like an apprenticeship in a way, where a person is still bringing in an income while learning a new field - with a guarantee with some kind of place for at least a time at the end you'd help to address those concerns.

Suppose that you had a well-paying job in the auto industry, but employment got shaky. Layoffs become more frequent and longer.  A machine is being designed to do your job, Would you consider learning the art of the barber? Or medical technology? Sure, it pays less...  But if you don't take the opportunity at age 35, what happens when you lose your job at 50? Retail sales or fast-food work? That's for kids who have yet to realize that such work is exploitation.

Real wages are falling in America -- foreign competition, automation, and the relative decline of manufacturing as a share of the economy.  

[Fight for Trump]

There is one key thing that everyone seems to be ignoring here: namely the other reasons why people don't retrain - the fact that you're leaving an industry that currently pays well (and a whole lot more than other employment in the area) for no guarantee in an alternative industry that might not pay as well, in addition to the fact that you're bringing no money in while in a retraining programme which is rather important.  This would suggest to me that the problem is more with the direction of Federal retraining programmes, and that focusing on the sort of skills and programme where you could blend together employment and training - almost like an apprenticeship in a way, where a person is still bringing in an income while learning a new field - with a guarantee with some kind of place for at least a time at the end you'd help to address those concerns.

This is why I praised this private program:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=268600.msg5738717

[Brittain33]

This guy is going to be a congressman and member of the Freedom Caucus by 2030.

[IceSpear]

You can't teach old dogs new tricks.

This is what happens when you pander to the poorly educated with blatant lies. These people objectively do not know what's best for them.

I bet both of you constantly wonder why the Democratic Party is routinely viewed as just as bad as the Republicans by most Americans.

I certainly don't wonder why factually challenged Americans like those in the OP view it that way.

[PragmaticPopulist]

I like to believe that people are smart enough to know that believe that coal isn't coming back, but living in a world of alternative facts can make people desperate for jobs go for what would seem to be salvation when it is just false hope. _{Notice that I avoided demeaning coal miners, Ice Spear}