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« Reply #875 on: April 26, 2018, 06:45:27 PM »

Public executions for serious crimes (serial rape and/or molestation, mass murder, terrorism, etc.) would be a great idea.
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« Reply #876 on: April 26, 2018, 10:06:13 PM »

The most recent Republican president who was not a racist was Dwight D Eisenhower.

Ford was racist?
And HW Bush?  The evidence I've seen is the opposite: that no Republican president in that time was a racist.  Nixon was a big supporter of civil rights legislation and was good friends with Sammy Davis, even if he used some racially insensitive language in his private life.  And Reagan and Bush 2 both hired blacks to high positions (Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Samuel Pierce, etc.)  It was also Bush 1 that appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

Nixon hated Jewish people lmao. He was extremely racist.
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« Reply #877 on: April 26, 2018, 10:14:32 PM »
« Edited: April 26, 2018, 10:17:43 PM by shua »

I remember reading somewhere that Nixon usually opposed abortion in almost every case; but then he went in the entirely opposite direction when the parents were not of the same racial group, instead wanting to force an abortion to happen in these cases.

Not that he wanted to force them but he said it might be "necessary" in those cases, saying that and rape were exceptions to his general opposition.   These were from tapes that were released in the past few years so he didn't ever clarify what his thinking was on the issue.   

Nixon was very complex character, and like LBJ had some ugly racial prejudices but nonetheless did a great deal for the cause of civil rights, integration and trying to bring blacks out of poverty.
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« Reply #878 on: April 27, 2018, 01:03:47 AM »
« Edited: April 27, 2018, 01:09:24 AM by Scott🦋 »

The only generation that really exists is the Baby Boomer Generation.  There is no such thing as a Gen-Xer, Millennial, or Gen-Zer.

Really, I think that generations in general are complete nonsense. Why should I relate to someone born in 1985, ten years before me, than someone born in 2000, five years after me? And do I really have that much in common with someone born the same year as me in a completely different location and socioeconomic class?

I agree, but I think there is something demographically relevant about a boom in the number of babies (i.e. a Baby Boomer) to the point where we can at least identify them clearly, while the others are completely made up for convenience and simplicity.

So what of the Silent, G.I., and Lost generations?

These are uniquely American concepts anyway, since Strauss-Howe invented these labels to divide eras of US history and describe their cultural trends.  Whether a person is born in 1994 or 1997 isn't meant to be significant.

I don't know of any other nation that uses fancy names to divide its history every couple or so decades.  Most couldn't.
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« Reply #879 on: April 27, 2018, 01:31:49 AM »

The only generation that really exists is the Baby Boomer Generation.  There is no such thing as a Gen-Xer, Millennial, or Gen-Zer.

Really, I think that generations in general are complete nonsense. Why should I relate to someone born in 1985, ten years before me, than someone born in 2000, five years after me? And do I really have that much in common with someone born the same year as me in a completely different location and socioeconomic class?

I agree, but I think there is something demographically relevant about a boom in the number of babies (i.e. a Baby Boomer) to the point where we can at least identify them clearly, while the others are completely made up for convenience and simplicity.

So what of the Silent, G.I., and Lost generations?

These are uniquely American concepts anyway, since Strauss-Howe invented these labels to divide eras of US history and describe their cultural trends.  Whether a person is born in 1994 or 1997 isn't meant to be significant.

I don't know of any other nation that uses fancy names to divide its history every couple or so decades.  Most couldn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/386_Generation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-90s

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« Reply #880 on: April 27, 2018, 07:22:07 AM »

I have some sympathy for Henry Kissinger because of detente.
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« Reply #881 on: April 27, 2018, 09:28:16 AM »
« Edited: April 27, 2018, 09:31:20 AM by Oldiesfreak1854 »

The most recent Republican president who was not a racist was Dwight D Eisenhower.

Ford was racist?
And HW Bush?  The evidence I've seen is the opposite: that no Republican president in that time was a racist.  Nixon was a big supporter of civil rights legislation and was good friends with Sammy Davis, even if he used some racially insensitive language in his private life.  And Reagan and Bush 2 both hired blacks to high positions (Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Samuel Pierce, etc.)  It was also Bush 1 that appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

Nixon hated Jewish people lmao. He was extremely racist.
No, he did not hate Jews.  He hired many Jews for his administration, including Ben Stein and Henry Kissinger.  And he developed a strong friendship with Sammy Davis.  The things he said on tape were no worse than the things said by LBJ, FDR, or Truman in their private conversations, nor was it worse than the casual racism and anti-Semitism of that time.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2014/07/03/the-lie-of-richard-nixons-racism/
http://beta.nydailynews.com/archives/news/buddies-sammy-davis-jr-president-united-states-article-1.648866

And let's not forget these pictures:


http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2014/01/you-wont-see-this-picture-on-msnbc-abc.html
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« Reply #882 on: April 27, 2018, 10:26:21 AM »

The most recent Republican president who was not a racist was Dwight D Eisenhower.

Ford was racist?
And HW Bush?  The evidence I've seen is the opposite: that no Republican president in that time was a racist.  Nixon was a big supporter of civil rights legislation and was good friends with Sammy Davis, even if he used some racially insensitive language in his private life.  And Reagan and Bush 2 both hired blacks to high positions (Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Samuel Pierce, etc.)  It was also Bush 1 that appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

Nixon hated Jewish people lmao. He was extremely racist.
No, he did not hate Jews.  He hired many Jews for his administration, including Ben Stein and Henry Kissinger.  And he developed a strong friendship with Sammy Davis.  The things he said on tape were no worse than the things said by LBJ, FDR, or Truman in their private conversations, nor was it worse than the casual racism and anti-Semitism of that time.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2014/07/03/the-lie-of-richard-nixons-racism/
http://beta.nydailynews.com/archives/news/buddies-sammy-davis-jr-president-united-states-article-1.648866

And let's not forget these pictures:


http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2014/01/you-wont-see-this-picture-on-msnbc-abc.html

You're basically saying that because he had black and Jewish friends, he couldn't have been racist.
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« Reply #883 on: April 27, 2018, 01:05:27 PM »

The most recent Republican president who was not a racist was Dwight D Eisenhower.

Ford was racist?
And HW Bush?  The evidence I've seen is the opposite: that no Republican president in that time was a racist.  Nixon was a big supporter of civil rights legislation and was good friends with Sammy Davis, even if he used some racially insensitive language in his private life.  And Reagan and Bush 2 both hired blacks to high positions (Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Samuel Pierce, etc.)  It was also Bush 1 that appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

Nixon hated Jewish people lmao. He was extremely racist.
No, he did not hate Jews.  He hired many Jews for his administration, including Ben Stein and Henry Kissinger.  And he developed a strong friendship with Sammy Davis.  The things he said on tape were no worse than the things said by LBJ, FDR, or Truman in their private conversations, nor was it worse than the casual racism and anti-Semitism of that time.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2014/07/03/the-lie-of-richard-nixons-racism/
http://beta.nydailynews.com/archives/news/buddies-sammy-davis-jr-president-united-states-article-1.648866

And let's not forget these pictures:


http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2014/01/you-wont-see-this-picture-on-msnbc-abc.html

Listen to the tapes, dude. Pretty much everyone who was against him was a "ing Jew."

Oh and he let Sammie Davis hug him clearly the man held no racial prejudice whatsoever *eyes roll out of head*
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« Reply #884 on: April 27, 2018, 01:22:03 PM »

"I can't be racist, I have a black friend!"

"LOOK AT MY AFRICAN-AMERICAN OVER HERE"
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« Reply #885 on: April 28, 2018, 05:56:59 PM »

"People of color" is a stupid term that actually erases and lessens the accomplishments of minority groups.
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« Reply #886 on: April 28, 2018, 09:37:38 PM »
« Edited: April 28, 2018, 09:41:01 PM by Oldiesfreak1854 »

The most recent Republican president who was not a racist was Dwight D Eisenhower.

Ford was racist?
And HW Bush?  The evidence I've seen is the opposite: that no Republican president in that time was a racist.  Nixon was a big supporter of civil rights legislation and was good friends with Sammy Davis, even if he used some racially insensitive language in his private life.  And Reagan and Bush 2 both hired blacks to high positions (Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Samuel Pierce, etc.)  It was also Bush 1 that appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

Nixon hated Jewish people lmao. He was extremely racist.
No, he did not hate Jews.  He hired many Jews for his administration, including Ben Stein and Henry Kissinger.  And he developed a strong friendship with Sammy Davis.  The things he said on tape were no worse than the things said by LBJ, FDR, or Truman in their private conversations, nor was it worse than the casual racism and anti-Semitism of that time.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2014/07/03/the-lie-of-richard-nixons-racism/
http://beta.nydailynews.com/archives/news/buddies-sammy-davis-jr-president-united-states-article-1.648866

And let's not forget these pictures:


http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2014/01/you-wont-see-this-picture-on-msnbc-abc.html

You're basically saying that because he had black and Jewish friends, he couldn't have been racist.
Yes.  If Sammy Davis thought he was racist, then he would never have embraced him the way he did.

The most recent Republican president who was not a racist was Dwight D Eisenhower.

Ford was racist?
And HW Bush?  The evidence I've seen is the opposite: that no Republican president in that time was a racist.  Nixon was a big supporter of civil rights legislation and was good friends with Sammy Davis, even if he used some racially insensitive language in his private life.  And Reagan and Bush 2 both hired blacks to high positions (Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Samuel Pierce, etc.)  It was also Bush 1 that appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

Nixon hated Jewish people lmao. He was extremely racist.
No, he did not hate Jews.  He hired many Jews for his administration, including Ben Stein and Henry Kissinger.  And he developed a strong friendship with Sammy Davis.  The things he said on tape were no worse than the things said by LBJ, FDR, or Truman in their private conversations, nor was it worse than the casual racism and anti-Semitism of that time.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2014/07/03/the-lie-of-richard-nixons-racism/
http://beta.nydailynews.com/archives/news/buddies-sammy-davis-jr-president-united-states-article-1.648866

And let's not forget these pictures:


http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2014/01/you-wont-see-this-picture-on-msnbc-abc.html

Listen to the tapes, dude. Pretty much everyone who was against him was a "ing Jew."

Oh and he let Sammie Davis hug him clearly the man held no racial prejudice whatsoever *eyes roll out of head*
What he said on those tapes was no worse than some of the things Johnson said on tape, and certainly not any worse than the casual racism or anti-Semitism that was prevalent at the time.  Nixon instituted the Revised Philadelphia Plan, raised the federal civil rights enforcement budget, and accelerated the desegregation of Southern schools.  Remember also that his closes foreign policy advisor was Jewish (Henry Kissinger), as well as one of his speechwriters (Ben Stein).  Actions speak louder than words.
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« Reply #887 on: April 28, 2018, 09:54:23 PM »

The most recent Republican president who was not a racist was Dwight D Eisenhower.

Ford was racist?
And HW Bush?  The evidence I've seen is the opposite: that no Republican president in that time was a racist.  Nixon was a big supporter of civil rights legislation and was good friends with Sammy Davis, even if he used some racially insensitive language in his private life.  And Reagan and Bush 2 both hired blacks to high positions (Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Samuel Pierce, etc.)  It was also Bush 1 that appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

Nixon hated Jewish people lmao. He was extremely racist.
No, he did not hate Jews.  He hired many Jews for his administration, including Ben Stein and Henry Kissinger.  And he developed a strong friendship with Sammy Davis.  The things he said on tape were no worse than the things said by LBJ, FDR, or Truman in their private conversations, nor was it worse than the casual racism and anti-Semitism of that time.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2014/07/03/the-lie-of-richard-nixons-racism/
http://beta.nydailynews.com/archives/news/buddies-sammy-davis-jr-president-united-states-article-1.648866

And let's not forget these pictures:


http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2014/01/you-wont-see-this-picture-on-msnbc-abc.html

Listen to the tapes, dude. Pretty much everyone who was against him was a "ing Jew."

Oh and he let Sammie Davis hug him clearly the man held no racial prejudice whatsoever *eyes roll out of head*
Another thing for you kids to remember: Mayor Daley hurled similar slurs at Abe Ribicoff (who was Jewish) during the DNC in 1968, had numerous scandals as bad as Watergate or worse, and did everything he could to make life in Chicago a living nightmare for blacks.  Why is he a hero while Nixon is pure evil?  Could it be because Daley was a Democrat and Nixon a Republican?  I'm just asking...
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« Reply #888 on: April 28, 2018, 11:14:13 PM »

The most recent Republican president who was not a racist was Dwight D Eisenhower.

Ford was racist?
And HW Bush?  The evidence I've seen is the opposite: that no Republican president in that time was a racist.  Nixon was a big supporter of civil rights legislation and was good friends with Sammy Davis, even if he used some racially insensitive language in his private life.  And Reagan and Bush 2 both hired blacks to high positions (Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Samuel Pierce, etc.)  It was also Bush 1 that appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

Nixon hated Jewish people lmao. He was extremely racist.
No, he did not hate Jews.  He hired many Jews for his administration, including Ben Stein and Henry Kissinger.  And he developed a strong friendship with Sammy Davis.  The things he said on tape were no worse than the things said by LBJ, FDR, or Truman in their private conversations, nor was it worse than the casual racism and anti-Semitism of that time.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2014/07/03/the-lie-of-richard-nixons-racism/
http://beta.nydailynews.com/archives/news/buddies-sammy-davis-jr-president-united-states-article-1.648866

And let's not forget these pictures:


http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2014/01/you-wont-see-this-picture-on-msnbc-abc.html

Listen to the tapes, dude. Pretty much everyone who was against him was a "ing Jew."

Oh and he let Sammie Davis hug him clearly the man held no racial prejudice whatsoever *eyes roll out of head*
Another thing for you kids to remember: Mayor Daley hurled similar slurs at Abe Ribicoff (who was Jewish) during the DNC in 1968, had numerous scandals as bad as Watergate or worse, and did everything he could to make life in Chicago a living nightmare for blacks.  Why is he a hero while Nixon is pure evil?  Could it be because Daley was a Democrat and Nixon a Republican?  I'm just asking...
Daley was scum, and I don't think Nixon was evil.
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« Reply #889 on: April 29, 2018, 11:00:23 AM »

The most recent Republican president who was not a racist was Dwight D Eisenhower.

Ford was racist?
And HW Bush?  The evidence I've seen is the opposite: that no Republican president in that time was a racist.  Nixon was a big supporter of civil rights legislation and was good friends with Sammy Davis, even if he used some racially insensitive language in his private life.  And Reagan and Bush 2 both hired blacks to high positions (Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Samuel Pierce, etc.)  It was also Bush 1 that appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

Nixon hated Jewish people lmao. He was extremely racist.
No, he did not hate Jews.  He hired many Jews for his administration, including Ben Stein and Henry Kissinger.  And he developed a strong friendship with Sammy Davis.  The things he said on tape were no worse than the things said by LBJ, FDR, or Truman in their private conversations, nor was it worse than the casual racism and anti-Semitism of that time.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2014/07/03/the-lie-of-richard-nixons-racism/
http://beta.nydailynews.com/archives/news/buddies-sammy-davis-jr-president-united-states-article-1.648866

And let's not forget these pictures:


http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2014/01/you-wont-see-this-picture-on-msnbc-abc.html

Listen to the tapes, dude. Pretty much everyone who was against him was a "ing Jew."

Oh and he let Sammie Davis hug him clearly the man held no racial prejudice whatsoever *eyes roll out of head*
Another thing for you kids to remember: Mayor Daley hurled similar slurs at Abe Ribicoff (who was Jewish) during the DNC in 1968, had numerous scandals as bad as Watergate or worse, and did everything he could to make life in Chicago a living nightmare for blacks.  Why is he a hero while Nixon is pure evil?  Could it be because Daley was a Democrat and Nixon a Republican?  I'm just asking...
Daley was scum, and I don't think Nixon was evil.
You imply he was evil by smearing him like you do.  You cannot be a good person and a bigot at the same time.

Anyway, I'm not listening to this nonsense anymore, because it's clear that neither of you wants to take an objective look at the facts.  So allow me to change subject by listing another unpopular opinion, prompted by a poll on the Individual Politics board:

Sam Brownback was a good governor for Kansas.
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« Reply #890 on: April 29, 2018, 03:20:51 PM »

Destroying your state = "good governor"

Only if you have an R next to your name.
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« Reply #891 on: April 29, 2018, 03:49:27 PM »

The most recent Republican president who was not a racist was Dwight D Eisenhower.

Ford was racist?
And HW Bush?  The evidence I've seen is the opposite: that no Republican president in that time was a racist.  Nixon was a big supporter of civil rights legislation and was good friends with Sammy Davis, even if he used some racially insensitive language in his private life.  And Reagan and Bush 2 both hired blacks to high positions (Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Samuel Pierce, etc.)  It was also Bush 1 that appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

Nixon hated Jewish people lmao. He was extremely racist.
No, he did not hate Jews.  He hired many Jews for his administration, including Ben Stein and Henry Kissinger.  And he developed a strong friendship with Sammy Davis.  The things he said on tape were no worse than the things said by LBJ, FDR, or Truman in their private conversations, nor was it worse than the casual racism and anti-Semitism of that time.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2014/07/03/the-lie-of-richard-nixons-racism/
http://beta.nydailynews.com/archives/news/buddies-sammy-davis-jr-president-united-states-article-1.648866

And let's not forget these pictures:


http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2014/01/you-wont-see-this-picture-on-msnbc-abc.html

Listen to the tapes, dude. Pretty much everyone who was against him was a "ing Jew."

Oh and he let Sammie Davis hug him clearly the man held no racial prejudice whatsoever *eyes roll out of head*
Another thing for you kids to remember: Mayor Daley hurled similar slurs at Abe Ribicoff (who was Jewish) during the DNC in 1968, had numerous scandals as bad as Watergate or worse, and did everything he could to make life in Chicago a living nightmare for blacks.  Why is he a hero while Nixon is pure evil?  Could it be because Daley was a Democrat and Nixon a Republican?  I'm just asking...
Daley was scum, and I don't think Nixon was evil.
You imply he was evil by smearing him like you do.  You cannot be a good person and a bigot at the same time.

Anyway, I'm not listening to this nonsense anymore, because it's clear that neither of you wants to take an objective look at the facts.  So allow me to change subject by listing another unpopular opinion, prompted by a poll on the Individual Politics board:

Sam Brownback was a good governor for Kansas.

Actually, I didn't even say I thought he was a bigot. I was somewhat mocking the idea that he couldn't have been racist because he had black or Jewish friends, because that's a silly argument. His early support for civil rights leads me to believe he did in fact not have racist views, at least towards blacks.
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« Reply #892 on: April 29, 2018, 08:06:38 PM »

My personal "ranking" of how racist modern Republicans were:

Racist
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Nixon

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« Reply #893 on: April 29, 2018, 08:54:46 PM »

The most recent Republican president who was not a racist was Dwight D Eisenhower.

Ford was racist?
And HW Bush?  The evidence I've seen is the opposite: that no Republican president in that time was a racist.  Nixon was a big supporter of civil rights legislation and was good friends with Sammy Davis, even if he used some racially insensitive language in his private life.  And Reagan and Bush 2 both hired blacks to high positions (Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Samuel Pierce, etc.)  It was also Bush 1 that appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

Nixon hated Jewish people lmao. He was extremely racist.
No, he did not hate Jews.  He hired many Jews for his administration, including Ben Stein and Henry Kissinger.  And he developed a strong friendship with Sammy Davis.  The things he said on tape were no worse than the things said by LBJ, FDR, or Truman in their private conversations, nor was it worse than the casual racism and anti-Semitism of that time.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2014/07/03/the-lie-of-richard-nixons-racism/
http://beta.nydailynews.com/archives/news/buddies-sammy-davis-jr-president-united-states-article-1.648866

And let's not forget these pictures:


http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2014/01/you-wont-see-this-picture-on-msnbc-abc.html

Listen to the tapes, dude. Pretty much everyone who was against him was a "ing Jew."

Oh and he let Sammie Davis hug him clearly the man held no racial prejudice whatsoever *eyes roll out of head*
Another thing for you kids to remember: Mayor Daley hurled similar slurs at Abe Ribicoff (who was Jewish) during the DNC in 1968, had numerous scandals as bad as Watergate or worse, and did everything he could to make life in Chicago a living nightmare for blacks.  Why is he a hero while Nixon is pure evil?  Could it be because Daley was a Democrat and Nixon a Republican?  I'm just asking...

No, I don't think anyone disputes Daley was a racist and an anti-semite either
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« Reply #894 on: April 29, 2018, 10:50:03 PM »

Voter fraud is a myth invented by state Republican officeholders in order to reduce Dem turnout.

(Seriously, there are at most a couple hundred cases each election per state)

Obviously, it's nothing close to the amount claimed, but if there are "a couple hundred cases" then it's not really a myth.
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« Reply #895 on: April 29, 2018, 11:33:43 PM »

Right wingers use identity politics far more than liberals do.
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« Reply #896 on: May 02, 2018, 05:39:53 PM »

There were never very many Reagan Democrats.
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« Reply #897 on: May 02, 2018, 10:06:46 PM »

Kendrick Lamar and Beyoncé are both profoundly overrated
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« Reply #898 on: May 02, 2018, 10:10:45 PM »

All rap sucks and is incomprehensible.
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« Reply #899 on: May 02, 2018, 10:25:37 PM »

that is bad
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