Indictment-O-Rama Megathread: Mueller indicts 13 Russians

[pbrower2a]

The Trump playbook is beginning to look much like the playbooks of Ulbricht,  Bierut, Gottwald, Rakosi, Gheorgiu-Dej, and Dimitroff as applied in central and Balkan Europe between 1945 and 1949.

Check those surnames in Wikipedia. Except that the objective is plutocratic dictatorship instead of Commie dictatorship, the methods are much the same. Putin  is an ex-KGB man, a carrier of the traditions of the Cheka, OGPU, and NKVD  as well as the KGB.

First, find power-hungry, but utterly unprincipled and ruthless fanatics. Then corrupt a weakened system (probably because people have chosen to use the political process for personal gain instead of public service). Do demagoguery, making promises to constituencies (like small farmers and industrial laborers) who have little in common; get their support but know that you will never be able to meet the promises because those promises will contradict themselves.    Then make a sham of democracy. Then take command of the media, the electoral process, law enforcement, and the judiciary. Then start killing opponents and rivals, and make sure that the economic system serves first those politically connected and punishes anyone suspect. 

We are in the 'make a sham of democracy' stage.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Donald Trump Jr. is testifying behind closed doors to the Senate Intel Committee.  The session is currently in its ninth hour.

[junior chįmp]

Donald Trump Jr. is testifying behind closed doors to the Senate Intel Committee.  The session is currently in its ninth hour.

He's goin tha jail!

[Reaganfan]

I notice it hasn't been mentioned here that the FBI released 375 text messages to the House Judiciary Committee Tuesday showing discussions between Peter Strzok and his mistress, an FBI laywer Lisa Page.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/13/fbi-officials-discussed-insurance-policy-against-trump-presidency/

Two FBI officials who worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation exchanged text messages last year in which they appear to have discussed ways to prevent Donald Trump from being elected president.

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way [Trump] gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk,” FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok wrote in a cryptic text message to Lisa Page, an FBI lawyer and his mistress.

“It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40,” Strzok wrote in the text, dated Aug. 15, 2016.

Andy is likely Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe.

“Maybe you’re meant to stay where you are because you’re meant to protect the country from that menace,” Page wrote.

“I can protect our country at many levels, not sure if that helps,” Strzok replied.


It seems quite amazing to me the threat Trump poses to the establishment. Reminds me of the scene in "JFK" where Kevin Costner tells Donald Sutherland:

[Sestak]

I notice it hasn't been mentioned here that the FBI released 375 text messages to the House Judiciary Committee Tuesday showing discussions between Peter Strzok and his mistress, an FBI laywer Lisa Page.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/13/fbi-officials-discussed-insurance-policy-against-trump-presidency/

Two FBI officials who worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation exchanged text messages last year in which they appear to have discussed ways to prevent Donald Trump from being elected president.

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way [Trump] gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk,” FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok wrote in a cryptic text message to Lisa Page, an FBI lawyer and his mistress.

“It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40,” Strzok wrote in the text, dated Aug. 15, 2016.

Andy is likely Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe.

“Maybe you’re meant to stay where you are because you’re meant to protect the country from that menace,” Page wrote.

“I can protect our country at many levels, not sure if that helps,” Strzok replied.


It seems quite amazing to me the threat Trump poses to the establishment. Reminds me of the scene in "JFK" where Kevin Costner tells Donald Sutherland:

I must admit, it doesn't look good for the impartiality of the investigation, but we'll see how it goes from here.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I notice it hasn't been mentioned here that the FBI released 375 text messages to the House Judiciary Committee Tuesday showing discussions between Peter Strzok and his mistress, an FBI laywer Lisa Page.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/13/fbi-officials-discussed-insurance-policy-against-trump-presidency/

Two FBI officials who worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation exchanged text messages last year in which they appear to have discussed ways to prevent Donald Trump from being elected president.

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way [Trump] gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk,” FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok wrote in a cryptic text message to Lisa Page, an FBI lawyer and his mistress.

“It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40,” Strzok wrote in the text, dated Aug. 15, 2016.

Andy is likely Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe.

“Maybe you’re meant to stay where you are because you’re meant to protect the country from that menace,” Page wrote.

“I can protect our country at many levels, not sure if that helps,” Strzok replied.


It seems quite amazing to me the threat Trump poses to the establishment. Reminds me of the scene in "JFK" where Kevin Costner tells Donald Sutherland:

I must admit, it doesn't look good for the impartiality of the investigation, but we'll see how it goes from here.

How so?  The fact that Mueller immediately removed Strzok makes it clear that he's conducting the investigation in a fair, neutral, partisanship-free manner.

[Sestak]

I notice it hasn't been mentioned here that the FBI released 375 text messages to the House Judiciary Committee Tuesday showing discussions between Peter Strzok and his mistress, an FBI laywer Lisa Page.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/13/fbi-officials-discussed-insurance-policy-against-trump-presidency/

Two FBI officials who worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation exchanged text messages last year in which they appear to have discussed ways to prevent Donald Trump from being elected president.

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way [Trump] gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk,” FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok wrote in a cryptic text message to Lisa Page, an FBI lawyer and his mistress.

“It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40,” Strzok wrote in the text, dated Aug. 15, 2016.

Andy is likely Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe.

“Maybe you’re meant to stay where you are because you’re meant to protect the country from that menace,” Page wrote.

“I can protect our country at many levels, not sure if that helps,” Strzok replied.


It seems quite amazing to me the threat Trump poses to the establishment. Reminds me of the scene in "JFK" where Kevin Costner tells Donald Sutherland:

I must admit, it doesn't look good for the impartiality of the investigation, but we'll see how it goes from here.

How so?  The fact that Mueller immediately removed Strzok makes it clear that he's conducting the investigation in a fair, neutral, partisanship-free manner.

Mueller himself may be okay, however, this investigation predates him. And this makes it sound like the initial investigation may have been pretty politically motivated.

Not saying it was, but it doesn't look great.

[Hindsight was 2020]

First off Muelker kicked the guy off when he heard about the texts so as to not appear bias and second we know for a fact that the FBI in NY investigating Hillary had agents who hated her because shocker you can have opinions but still be professional. So stop trying this pathetic attempt to smear Mueller and the FBI's work because your afraid they are going to take down Trump.

[Sestak]

First off Muelker kicked the guy off when he heard about the texts so as to not appear bias and second we know for a fact that the FBI in NY investigating Hillary had agents who hated her because shocker you can have opinions but still be professional. So stop trying this pathetic attempt to smear Mueller and the FBI's work because your afraid they are going to take down Trump.

I'm not, I completely support the Mueller probe. Just pointing out this is not the best optics for it.

[Hindsight was 2020]

First off Muelker kicked the guy off when he heard about the texts so as to not appear bias and second we know for a fact that the FBI in NY investigating Hillary had agents who hated her because shocker you can have opinions but still be professional. So stop trying this pathetic attempt to smear Mueller and the FBI's work because your afraid they are going to take down Trump.

I'm not, I completely support the Mueller probe. Just pointing out this is not the best optics for it.

That was meant for Reaganfan

[Reaganfan]

How so?  The fact that Mueller immediately removed Strzok makes it clear that he's conducting the investigation in a fair, neutral, partisanship-free manner.

My question is, how come the "deep state" as some 48% of the country believes, is so hell bent on taking down Donald Trump?

I mean, is it some sort of conspiratorial type thing? What I mean by that is, you have people like Jay Carney, who works in Obama's White House, but he's married to Claire Shipman, who is currently the national correspondent for ABC's Good Morning America.

Is it that? Are these people all overly college educated and super politically correct and all marrying and screwing each other and hanging out at the same clubs and stuff? Is it an elite thing? Or do they see their political established globalist agenda in jeopardy? I don't quite understand.

I mean, I detested Obama's politics, and I never voted for him even though most of my family did. But when he won, he won. Now, trying to block something legislatively, that's one thing. But to try and undo the will of the voters, is quite another. Like that idiot Roy Moore not conceding a legitimate election last night.

I don't understand where the vitriol is coming from.

[Sestak]

Also, is changing our avatars to "D-AL" a thing we're doing now?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Also, is changing our avatars to "D-AL" a thing we're doing now?

It's a thing I'm doing right now, yes. 

[Hindsight was 2020]

How so?  The fact that Mueller immediately removed Strzok makes it clear that he's conducting the investigation in a fair, neutral, partisanship-free manner.

My question is, how come the "deep state" as some 48% of the country believes, is so hell bent on taking down Donald Trump?

I mean, is it some sort of conspiratorial type thing? What I mean by that is, you have people like Jay Carney, who works in Obama's White House, but he's married to Claire Shipman, who is currently the national correspondent for ABC's Good Morning America.

Is it that? Are these people all overly college educated and super politically correct and all marrying and screwing each other and hanging out at the same clubs and stuff? Is it an elite thing? Or do they see their political established globalist agenda in jeopardy? I don't quite understand.

I mean, I detested Obama's politics, and I never voted for him even though most of my family did. But when he won, he won. Now, trying to block something legislatively, that's one thing. But to try and undo the will of the voters, is quite another. Like that idiot Roy Moore not conceding a legitimate election last night.

I don't understand where the vitriol is coming from.

Because he's a despicable human being who tries to ban muslims, trans people from the military, endorses pedos for politcal reasons, and promotes racism all while showing contempt toward the ideas of democracy

[junior chįmp]

I notice it hasn't been mentioned here that the FBI released 375 text messages to the House Judiciary Committee Tuesday showing discussions between Peter Strzok and his mistress, an FBI laywer Lisa Page.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/13/fbi-officials-discussed-insurance-policy-against-trump-presidency/

Two FBI officials who worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation exchanged text messages last year in which they appear to have discussed ways to prevent Donald Trump from being elected president.

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way [Trump] gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk,” FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok wrote in a cryptic text message to Lisa Page, an FBI lawyer and his mistress.

“It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40,” Strzok wrote in the text, dated Aug. 15, 2016.

Andy is likely Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe.

“Maybe you’re meant to stay where you are because you’re meant to protect the country from that menace,” Page wrote.

“I can protect our country at many levels, not sure if that helps,” Strzok replied.


It seems quite amazing to me the threat Trump poses to the establishment. Reminds me of the scene in "JFK" where Kevin Costner tells Donald Sutherland:

I hope their biased. Makes it more likely they'll nail Trump

[Reaganfan]

How so?  The fact that Mueller immediately removed Strzok makes it clear that he's conducting the investigation in a fair, neutral, partisanship-free manner.

My question is, how come the "deep state" as some 48% of the country believes, is so hell bent on taking down Donald Trump?

I mean, is it some sort of conspiratorial type thing? What I mean by that is, you have people like Jay Carney, who works in Obama's White House, but he's married to Claire Shipman, who is currently the national correspondent for ABC's Good Morning America.

Is it that? Are these people all overly college educated and super politically correct and all marrying and screwing each other and hanging out at the same clubs and stuff? Is it an elite thing? Or do they see their political established globalist agenda in jeopardy? I don't quite understand.

I mean, I detested Obama's politics, and I never voted for him even though most of my family did. But when he won, he won. Now, trying to block something legislatively, that's one thing. But to try and undo the will of the voters, is quite another. Like that idiot Roy Moore not conceding a legitimate election last night.

I don't understand where the vitriol is coming from.

Because he's a despicable human being who tries to ban muslims, trans people from the military, endorses pedos for politcal reasons, and promotes racism all while showing contempt toward the ideas of democracy

You're missing the point. He won an election. The people in Ohio and Michigan and Florida and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and dozens of other states chose him. Who are these elites to try and "save us from ourselves"?

This "we know better" attitude is what put Donald Trump there in the first place.

Is it a racial thing? I mean, quite honestly, if every Muslim in America moved to Spain tomorrow and immigration was completely cut off, there are millions upon millions of Americans that wouldn't notice one single difference in their day to day lives. I'm one of them. I don't know any Muslims, I don't have Muslim friends or relatives, and I don't even generally find middle eastern women attractive. It would have ZERO...ZERO impact on my life. The only POTENTIAL impact would be that the chances of dying in an Islamic extremist attack would be less.

Is that what it is? Are these "insiders" in the beltway more diversified than people in Michigan and Wisconsin and Ohio? I'm trying to understand.

[Kamala]

How so?  The fact that Mueller immediately removed Strzok makes it clear that he's conducting the investigation in a fair, neutral, partisanship-free manner.

My question is, how come the "deep state" as some 48% of the country believes, is so hell bent on taking down Donald Trump?

I mean, is it some sort of conspiratorial type thing? What I mean by that is, you have people like Jay Carney, who works in Obama's White House, but he's married to Claire Shipman, who is currently the national correspondent for ABC's Good Morning America.

Is it that? Are these people all overly college educated and super politically correct and all marrying and screwing each other and hanging out at the same clubs and stuff? Is it an elite thing? Or do they see their political established globalist agenda in jeopardy? I don't quite understand.

I mean, I detested Obama's politics, and I never voted for him even though most of my family did. But when he won, he won. Now, trying to block something legislatively, that's one thing. But to try and undo the will of the voters, is quite another. Like that idiot Roy Moore not conceding a legitimate election last night.

I don't understand where the vitriol is coming from.

Because he's a despicable human being who tries to ban muslims, trans people from the military, endorses pedos for politcal reasons, and promotes racism all while showing contempt toward the ideas of democracy

You're missing the point. He won an election. The people in Ohio and Michigan and Florida and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and dozens of other states chose him. Who are these elites to try and "save us from ourselves"?

This "we know better" attitude is what put Donald Trump there in the first place.

Is it a racial thing? I mean, quite honestly, if every Muslim in America moved to Spain tomorrow and immigration was completely cut off, there are millions upon millions of Americans that wouldn't notice one single difference in their day to day lives. I'm one of them. I don't know any Muslims, I don't have Muslim friends or relatives, and I don't even generally find middle eastern women attractive. It would have ZERO...ZERO impact on my life. The only POTENTIAL impact would be that the chances of dying in an Islamic extremist attack would be less.

Is that what it is? Are these "insiders" in the beltway more diversified than people in Michigan and Wisconsin and Ohio? I'm trying to understand.

Actually, it's this kind of pigheaded thinking that put Donald Trump in the White House.

[Reaganfan]

How so?  The fact that Mueller immediately removed Strzok makes it clear that he's conducting the investigation in a fair, neutral, partisanship-free manner.

My question is, how come the "deep state" as some 48% of the country believes, is so hell bent on taking down Donald Trump?

I mean, is it some sort of conspiratorial type thing? What I mean by that is, you have people like Jay Carney, who works in Obama's White House, but he's married to Claire Shipman, who is currently the national correspondent for ABC's Good Morning America.

Is it that? Are these people all overly college educated and super politically correct and all marrying and screwing each other and hanging out at the same clubs and stuff? Is it an elite thing? Or do they see their political established globalist agenda in jeopardy? I don't quite understand.

I mean, I detested Obama's politics, and I never voted for him even though most of my family did. But when he won, he won. Now, trying to block something legislatively, that's one thing. But to try and undo the will of the voters, is quite another. Like that idiot Roy Moore not conceding a legitimate election last night.

I don't understand where the vitriol is coming from.

Because he's a despicable human being who tries to ban muslims, trans people from the military, endorses pedos for politcal reasons, and promotes racism all while showing contempt toward the ideas of democracy

You're missing the point. He won an election. The people in Ohio and Michigan and Florida and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and dozens of other states chose him. Who are these elites to try and "save us from ourselves"?

This "we know better" attitude is what put Donald Trump there in the first place.

Is it a racial thing? I mean, quite honestly, if every Muslim in America moved to Spain tomorrow and immigration was completely cut off, there are millions upon millions of Americans that wouldn't notice one single difference in their day to day lives. I'm one of them. I don't know any Muslims, I don't have Muslim friends or relatives, and I don't even generally find middle eastern women attractive. It would have ZERO...ZERO impact on my life. The only POTENTIAL impact would be that the chances of dying in an Islamic extremist attack would be less.

Is that what it is? Are these "insiders" in the beltway more diversified than people in Michigan and Wisconsin and Ohio? I'm trying to understand.

Actually, it's this kind of pigheaded thinking that put Donald Trump in the White House.

But it's somewhat logical. It's true. It was probably the same during WW2 when it came to Japanese internment, which I believe was wrong. Hell, even J. Edgar Hoover said it was unnecessary. I'm sure to most Americans in 1942, they never saw any Japs and they didn't have a single difference in their life one way or another.

You might not like my statement, but it's true. I understand there are people with Muslim friends and families, they'd definitely dislike policies like that, but as far as many millions of Americans, months go by without seeing a single Muslim person.

[Hindsight was 2020]

I like also how like the hypocrite that he and to be real most Trumpers are;Reaganfan places this emphasis on "the voters will" while dismissing the fact that the majority voted for Hillary

[junior chįmp]

I like also how like the hypocrite that he and to be real most Trumpers are;Reaganfan places this emphasis on "the voters will" while dismissing the fact that the majority voted for Hillary

He's talking about only the white voters will

Everyone else is irrelevant to the Trump gang

[Kamala]

How so?  The fact that Mueller immediately removed Strzok makes it clear that he's conducting the investigation in a fair, neutral, partisanship-free manner.

My question is, how come the "deep state" as some 48% of the country believes, is so hell bent on taking down Donald Trump?

I mean, is it some sort of conspiratorial type thing? What I mean by that is, you have people like Jay Carney, who works in Obama's White House, but he's married to Claire Shipman, who is currently the national correspondent for ABC's Good Morning America.

Is it that? Are these people all overly college educated and super politically correct and all marrying and screwing each other and hanging out at the same clubs and stuff? Is it an elite thing? Or do they see their political established globalist agenda in jeopardy? I don't quite understand.

I mean, I detested Obama's politics, and I never voted for him even though most of my family did. But when he won, he won. Now, trying to block something legislatively, that's one thing. But to try and undo the will of the voters, is quite another. Like that idiot Roy Moore not conceding a legitimate election last night.

I don't understand where the vitriol is coming from.

Because he's a despicable human being who tries to ban muslims, trans people from the military, endorses pedos for politcal reasons, and promotes racism all while showing contempt toward the ideas of democracy

You're missing the point. He won an election. The people in Ohio and Michigan and Florida and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and dozens of other states chose him. Who are these elites to try and "save us from ourselves"?

This "we know better" attitude is what put Donald Trump there in the first place.

Is it a racial thing? I mean, quite honestly, if every Muslim in America moved to Spain tomorrow and immigration was completely cut off, there are millions upon millions of Americans that wouldn't notice one single difference in their day to day lives. I'm one of them. I don't know any Muslims, I don't have Muslim friends or relatives, and I don't even generally find middle eastern women attractive. It would have ZERO...ZERO impact on my life. The only POTENTIAL impact would be that the chances of dying in an Islamic extremist attack would be less.

Is that what it is? Are these "insiders" in the beltway more diversified than people in Michigan and Wisconsin and Ohio? I'm trying to understand.

Actually, it's this kind of pigheaded thinking that put Donald Trump in the White House.

But it's somewhat logical. It's true. It was probably the same during WW2 when it came to Japanese internment, which I believe was wrong. Hell, even J. Edgar Hoover said it was unnecessary. I'm sure to most Americans in 1942, they never saw any Japs and they didn't have a single difference in their life one way or another.

You might not like my statement, but it's true. I understand there are people with Muslim friends and families, they'd definitely dislike policies like that, but as far as many millions of Americans, months go by without seeing a single Muslim person.

"Is it a geographic thing? I mean, quite honestly, if every Republican in Ohio was rounded up and put in a camp tomorrow, there are millions upon millions of Americans who wouldn't notice one single difference in their day to day lives. I'm one of them. I don't know any Republican Ohioans, I don't have Republican Ohioan friends or relatives, and I don't even generally find Republican Ohioan men attractive. It would have ZERO...ZERO impact on my life. The only POTENTIAL impact would be that the chances of dying after banging my head against my desk repeatedly after reading a dumb post would be less."

edit: sorry Badger.

[Reaganfan]

I like also how like the hypocrite that he and to be real most Trumpers are;Reaganfan places this emphasis on "the voters will" while dismissing the fact that the majority voted for Hillary

No I'm discussing the electoral college, which is how America elects it's Presidents.

I think what's happening in this country is that white Americans, even those who supported both Obama and Trump, are very homogeneous. A criminal is a criminal, a thug is a thug, and if they stop letting Muslims in, how does that affect Sally and John? It doesn't, at all. Thus, they hear you...but they don't care and in America, they don't have to care. They still get a vote, they still get their say.

[LimoLiberal]

Conservatives and Never-Trumpers that once defended the Mueller investigation are now deriding it and saying that there should be an investigation into it. Big trouble for Democrats and Mueller as more of these damaging text messages come out.

My prediction: Trump will capitalize on these leaks to show how biased the FBI is and his approval ratings will rise rapidly.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Conservatives and Never-Trumpers that once defended the Mueller investigation are now deriding it and saying that there should be an investigation into it. Big trouble for Democrats and Mueller as more of these damaging text messages come out.

My prediction: Trump will capitalize on these leaks to show how biased the FBI is and his approval ratings will rise rapidly.

Of course you do

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

Conservatives and Never-Trumpers that once defended the Mueller investigation are now deriding it and saying that there should be an investigation into it. Big trouble for Democrats and Mueller as more of these damaging text messages come out.

My prediction: Trump will capitalize on these leaks to show how biased the FBI is and his approval ratings will rise rapidly.

My prediction: the exact opposite of whatever you say in any given situation is likely to happen.