Indictment-O-Rama Megathread: Mueller indicts 13 Russians

[Person Man]

neocon President Pence soon, hell yeah!!!!

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/flynns-plea-raises-new-questions-about-whether-trump-obstructed-justice/547328/

You must be logged in to read this quote.

President Ryan then?

I don't like Ryan's politics (or really Republicans of any stripe at all), but legally ejecting everyone associated with Trump and his campaign from the government and replacing him with Ryan would be a huge step in the right direction for this country.

Disagreements over policy I can do. Treason? Nah.

Also Ryan wouldn’t hire slapasses like Flynn or Tillerson, so I guess there’s that

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

neocon President Pence soon, hell yeah!!!!

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/flynns-plea-raises-new-questions-about-whether-trump-obstructed-justice/547328/

You must be logged in to read this quote.

President Ryan then?

I don't like Ryan's politics (or really Republicans of any stripe at all), but legally ejecting everyone associated with Trump and his campaign from the government and replacing him with Ryan would be a huge step in the right direction for this country.

Disagreements over policy I can do. Treason? Nah.

Also Ryan wouldn’t hire slapasses like Flynn or Tillerson, so I guess there’s that

I agree with the general sentiment, but Ryan's clearly fine with treason, so he's not quite as huge an improvement as folks here seem to think.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

To be honest, I see three potential presidents coming out of this.

Likely: President Mike Pence
Trump gets removed and Pence survives the Russian scandal

Could happen: President Paul Ryan
Both Trump and Pence are taken down together

Unlikely: President Nikki Haley
When Trump gets taken down, Pence somehow survives the initial onslaught of the Russia scandal and will become president and he will likely appoint Haley as VP. Pence will then be charged later on based on more information coming out of the Russia investigation and he will be removed clearing way for the 47th President of the United States, Nikki Haley. 

[ProudModerate2]

Oh by the way ....
Where is EnglishPete ?
I want him to remind us, how this whole "Russian Scandal" was just one big witch hunt and all just Fake News.

[Crumpets]

Oh by the way ....
Where is EnglishPete ?
I want him to remind us, how this whole "Russian Scandal" was just one big witch hunt and all just Fake News.

I'm guessing his take on this is either:

1. Flynn is being blackmailed by Mueller into signing a false confession
2. Flynn was never loyal to begin with and has been part of the grand conspiracy to destroy Trump since the beginning (he did work for Obama after all)
3. Yeah, what Flynn did was illegal, but it shouldn't be.
or 4. That wasn't really Mike Flynn but an elaborate lookalike! The real Flynn is being held against his will by hostile FBI agents! How do we even know that confession is real? Confessions can be coerced! This is exactly what Stalin did during the purges!

[Matty]

Man, ABC is getting a lot of heat tonight from some pretty solid people like Haberman, Darcy, and others.

It's journalism 101 to have more than one source confirm. Their inability to do that led to a 350 point drop in stock market.

I'm glad the report was wrong, and it was a monumental retraction.

The same guy who broke this false report also broke the false report that th Aurora theater shooter was a tea party operative.

[ProudModerate2]

Man, ABC is getting a lot of heat tonight from some pretty solid people like Haberman, Darcy, and others.

It's journalism 101 to have more than one source confirm. Their inability to do that led to a 350 point drop in stock market.

I'm glad the report was wrong, and it was a monumental retraction.

The same guy who broke this false report also broke the false report that th Aurora theater shooter was a tea party operative.

LOL.
You are watching way to much Faux News.
Are you kidding us ? ..... From all the extreme revelations released today, your only comment is about the small dip in the stock market ?
Really ? !

[Matty]

Man, ABC is getting a lot of heat tonight from some pretty solid people like Haberman, Darcy, and others.

It's journalism 101 to have more than one source confirm. Their inability to do that led to a 350 point drop in stock market.

I'm glad the report was wrong, and it was a monumental retraction.

The same guy who broke this false report also broke the false report that th Aurora theater shooter was a tea party operative.

LOL.
You are watching way to much Faux News.
Are you kidding us ? ..... From all the extreme revelations released today, your only comment is about the small dip in the stock market ?
Really ? !

Dude....ABC shook the nation this morning when it reported that trump as a candidate asked flynn to talk with russians.

They literally retracted the story, and it turned out president elect trump asked flynn to contact 12 nations regarding ISIS.

There was nothing earth shattering today. Flynn was found guilty for the same thing he got fired over...Lying.

[Rookie Yinzer]

There was nothing earth shattering today. Flynn was found guilty for the same thing he got fired over...Lying.

Just stop.... the deal clearly outlines that he was given that charge as compensation for cooperating with their investigation. He is going to implicate and testify against individuals above him which only leaves Trump, Trump Jr, Pence, and Kushner.

[Sestak]

There was nothing earth shattering today. Flynn was found guilty for the same thing he got fired over...Lying.

Just stop.... the deal clearly outlines that he was given that charge as compensation for cooperating with their investigation. He is going to implicate and testify against individuals above him which only leaves Trump, Trump Jr, Pence, and Kushner.

Yeah. We have a plea deal, and given the lightness of Flynn's charges, he probably has some significant dirt.

Maybe not on Trump directly, but definitely on someone higher up. We'll see.

[emcee0]

Congrats to President Pence and Vice President Haley.

I doubt mother would let him pick a female VP.

[HAnnA MArin County]

A little off topic, but how will the Senate passing its terrible tax cuts for the wealthy now affect this investigation? I've heard it said that Republicans in Congress are ready to throw Trump under the bus after he gets his "win" and signs this deplorable tax cuts bill for their donors. After that, if Mueller does get Trump, will congressional Republicans actually impeach him (if he tries to fire Mueller or if Mueller provides proof that Trump broke numerous laws) or will they still act as cowards because they fear the wrath of Trump's cult members a.k.a. the deplorables?

[Silent Hunter]

Since none of us are actually psychic, we don't know for sure. I would think that they would try to get Trump to resign first to avoid the need to actually have a vote.

If Trump resigns of his own volition, he doesn't become a "martyr" to the alt-right.

[BudgieForce]

Man, ABC is getting a lot of heat tonight from some pretty solid people like Haberman, Darcy, and others.

It's journalism 101 to have more than one source confirm. Their inability to do that led to a 350 point drop in stock market.

I'm glad the report was wrong, and it was a monumental retraction.

The same guy who broke this false report also broke the false report that th Aurora theater shooter was a tea party operative.

LOL.
You are watching way to much Faux News.
Are you kidding us ? ..... From all the extreme revelations released today, your only comment is about the small dip in the stock market ?
Really ? !

Dude....ABC shook the nation this morning when it reported that trump as a candidate asked flynn to talk with russians.

They literally retracted the story, and it turned out president elect trump asked flynn to contact 12 nations regarding ISIS.

There was nothing earth shattering today. Flynn was found guilty for the same thing he got fired over...Lying.

4 members of team Trump have been indicted so far...

What's not earth shattering?

And it was a plea deal. There's a reason Flynn isn't getting charged with being an illegal foreign agent.

[pbrower2a]

Man, ABC is getting a lot of heat tonight from some pretty solid people like Haberman, Darcy, and others.

It's journalism 101 to have more than one source confirm. Their inability to do that led to a 350 point drop in stock market.

I'm glad the report was wrong, and it was a monumental retraction.

The same guy who broke this false report also broke the false report that th Aurora theater shooter was a tea party operative.

One qualification: an official source is definitive (death, indictment, conviction, financial transaction, marriage, sporting results).

[GeorgiaModerate]

Interesting bit in the WSJ story (https://www.wsj.com/articles/on-a-big-day-flynn-grabs-the-spotlight-1512174716):

You must be logged in to read this quote.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Interesting bit in the WSJ story (https://www.wsj.com/articles/on-a-big-day-flynn-grabs-the-spotlight-1512174716):

You must be logged in to read this quote.

I think he could get away with pardoning Manafort and Gates, but pardoning Flynn would’ve been pretty damning evidence of obstruction.

[Blue3]

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Can we not post obvious bullsh**t please?

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Can we not post obvious bullsh**t please?

Then we would have to delete the whole thread Where's the fun in that?

[GeorgiaModerate]

Trump this morning:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

So according to this...

1. Flynn lied (including to the FBI) about something that Trump says was lawful.

2. Trump knew what Flynn was doing, and only fired him for lying about it.

Somewhere in the White House, Trump's lawyers are sending out for more Maalox.

[kyc0705]

Trump this morning:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

So according to this...

1. Flynn lied (including to the FBI) about something that Trump says was lawful.

2. Trump knew what Flynn was doing, and only fired him for lying about it.

Somewhere in the White House, Trump's lawyers are sending out for more Maalox.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but coupled with Trump's efforts to halt the Russia investigation, couldn't this be used as evidence for charges of obstruction of justice?

[GeorgiaModerate]

Trump this morning:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

So according to this...

1. Flynn lied (including to the FBI) about something that Trump says was lawful.

2. Trump knew what Flynn was doing, and only fired him for lying about it.

Somewhere in the White House, Trump's lawyers are sending out for more Maalox.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but coupled with Trump's efforts to halt the Russia investigation, couldn't this be used as evidence for charges of obstruction of justice?

I believe so, which is why I added the Maalox comment.

[ProudModerate2]

Man, ABC is getting a lot of heat tonight from some pretty solid people like Haberman, Darcy, and others.

It's journalism 101 to have more than one source confirm. Their inability to do that led to a 350 point drop in stock market.

I'm glad the report was wrong, and it was a monumental retraction.

The same guy who broke this false report also broke the false report that th Aurora theater shooter was a tea party operative.

LOL.
You are watching way to much Faux News.
Are you kidding us ? ..... From all the extreme revelations released today, your only comment is about the small dip in the stock market ?
Really ? !

Dude....ABC shook the nation this morning when it reported that trump as a candidate asked flynn to talk with russians.

They literally retracted the story, and it turned out president elect trump asked flynn to contact 12 nations regarding ISIS.

There was nothing earth shattering today. Flynn was found guilty for the same thing he got fired over...Lying.

Dude,
The Dow Jones industrial average briefly dropped 350 points before closing 40.76 points lower ( -0.17% ) at 24,231.59 for the day. It was a nothing-burger (if I can borrow that word from our infamous EnglishPete).

You are having a conniption fit over a small, quite-often seen "swing" in the market. Just because your Faux News or Breitbart try to turn it into the event of the century, doesn't mean you should post it and look foolish in our Forum.

[Sestak]

Trump this morning:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

So according to this...

1. Flynn lied (including to the FBI) about something that Trump says was lawful.

2. Trump knew what Flynn was doing, and only fired him for lying about it.

Somewhere in the White House, Trump's lawyers are sending out for more Maalox.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but coupled with Trump's efforts to halt the Russia investigation, couldn't this be used as evidence for charges of obstruction of justice?

The thing is, obstruction charges probably martyr him. His supporters will think there was nothing there so they got him on a technicality.