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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2017, 02:09:10 PM »

I think 2020 will be her last hurrah, only because I don’t think she will have the physical stamina for a presidential campaign by the time she is 77. She had some health issues in 2016 after all, and being eight years older won’t help matters. I also think Obama will repudiate her if she loses the 2020 GE...something along the lines of, “I have the utmost respect for Mrs. Clinton and her lifetime of service to our country, but the Democratic Party needs a new face.”

Those are the only things that would stop her, though. Had Hillary been born in 1957 instead of 1947, she would definitely consider it.

TBH I think she'd still try to run for President even if she's in hospice care.

At this point she DESPERATELY wants to go down in history as the first woman President. Her Presidency could be shorter than Harrison's but as long as the history books say she's the first female President it's all good.

She really, really wants to be a feminist icon even though she's anything BUT. Like her former boss would say, she's a "bitter clinger."

Her losing in 2016 was so delightful for me. And of the reasons for that was because of how DESPERATELY she wanted to be the first female President. She didn't care about actually breaking that glass ceiling - she cared it would be HER that shattered it. She wants to be for women what Obama was for blacks but it's not even close.

Perhaps she'd run, but that doesn't mean she'll go anywhere. Democrats are tired of her, and not just the ones out to the left. She's not going to be able to part the field automatically if she runs this time. There will be at least 6 or 7 other reasonable candidates. If she runs she'll lose badly in Iowa (probably placing like 4th or 3rd at best) and then will be forced to drop out (or, in any case, she'll be out of the race).

2 weeks ago I would've even went farther than that - if she DID enter the race, she wouldn't even make it to Iowa. She'd be Jim Webb.

Then I saw this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpzeQ1Z3Ut0

This is North Korean levels of worship. Not even Obama gets this level of worship.

And then with nearly every interview for What Happened, it's basically the interviewer worshipping Hillary and telling her how great she is. She got questioned ONCE about Bill's past a couple days ago and now she "hurt her foot" and won't appear on interviews since.

One lady from The View got FIRED for not being nice enough to the Queen.

Our so-called "Intelligence Community" literally wants to bring back the Cold War/start World War III because the cable news channel Russia Today didn't worship Hillary Clinton as much as CNN that Russia was "meddling" in our election. Although the RT was just as biased against Trump as Clinton the Intelligence Community has to defend their Queen.

Hillary NEEDS to be the first female President. It HAS to be her. She doesn't want the glass ceiling shattered - she wants HER to shatter it. Make no mistake about it -if Hillary gets in, she may force the Democrat party and media Establishment to back her.

If not, off to the gulags they go!
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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2017, 02:21:32 PM »

You're forgetting something important...Hillary is THE face of the Democratic Party establishment.
Jeb! was pretty much the face of the GOP Establishment. It didn't help him. Even without Trump in the election he wouldn't have won. If it were a straight one-way primary of Jeb! vs. Trump, then he may have actually won like Hillary did. The large field, however, completely sunk him. The same will happen to Hillary if she runs in 2020. Potential candidates aren't going to step aside for her. She'll face another reasonably strong challenge from the left, and possibly some reasonably strong candidates from the center (such as Biden or Tim Ryan). Democratic voters are just as tired of the "Heir to the Throne" thing as anyone else at this point. Even with EVERY superdelegate, I don't think she could get the votes to win.
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« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2017, 02:24:03 PM »

The difference is the Comey letter was the last major event to happen in the election, and Americans have the attention span of a goldfish. If the Comey letter and Access Hollywood tape switched dates, you'd be looking at President Clinton and Majority Leader Schumer. So congrats on lucking out with timing.

Trump was getting hit hard the last month with fake sexual assault accusations, people pretending to care about his "I'll keep you in suspense" line, etc. etc.

All we heard in the last 30 days of the election was how Trump was a sore loser; that the election can't be rigged or hacked; that her ground game and data operation was unstoppable; etc. etc. The Comey letter was ENTIRELY her fault anyway.

Let's not rewrite history and pretend Trump had all these advantages. If she lost simply because of a letter then she was never meant to win.

Trump was simply the superior candidate.
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« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2017, 02:28:29 PM »

LMAO.
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« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2017, 02:29:01 PM »

The difference is the Comey letter was the last major event to happen in the election, and Americans have the attention span of a goldfish. If the Comey letter and Access Hollywood tape switched dates, you'd be looking at President Clinton and Majority Leader Schumer. So congrats on lucking out with timing.

Trump was getting hit hard the last month with fake sexual assault accusations, people pretending to care about his "I'll keep you in suspense" line, etc. etc.

All we heard in the last 30 days of the election was how Trump was a sore loser; that the election can't be rigged or hacked; that her ground game and data operation was unstoppable; etc. etc. The Comey letter was ENTIRELY her fault anyway.

Let's not rewrite history and pretend Trump had all these advantages. If she lost simply because of a letter then she was never meant to win.

Trump was simply the superior candidate.

Yes, he was getting hit hard. Yes, Hillary had tons of advantages. And yes, the Access Hollywood tape was in October as well. But the point was the Comey letter was the final substantial event to influence the election, therefore it had the most impact. Americans have a notoriously short attention span, and even those that don't are still very prone to recency bias.

This isn't just my opinion by the way. There was major movement in the polls, in both private and public polling, after the Comey letter was released.
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« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2017, 02:59:35 PM »

Jeb! was pretty much the face of the GOP Establishment. It didn't help him. Even without Trump in the election he wouldn't have won. If it were a straight one-way primary of Jeb! vs. Trump, then he may have actually won like Hillary did. The large field, however, completely sunk him. The same will happen to Hillary if she runs in 2020. Potential candidates aren't going to step aside for her. She'll face another reasonably strong challenge from the left, and possibly some reasonably strong candidates from the center (such as Biden or Tim Ryan). Democratic voters are just as tired of the "Heir to the Throne" thing as anyone else at this point. Even with EVERY superdelegate, I don't think she could get the votes to win.


Jeb! didn't have nearly as much power in the GOP as Clinton does in the Democrat party though.

Romney circa 2012 may be a better example but even he didn't have half the influence in the GOP that Clinton has with the Democrat party.

If Clinton gets in there is a good chance she gets Establishment support.
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« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2017, 03:08:52 PM »


What's so funny?
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« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2017, 03:10:54 PM »


Usually the superior candidate wins the popular vote.
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« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2017, 03:12:52 PM »


Yeah. You could (easily) make the argument that he won because he had the superior strategy. But was he a better candidate? Not necessarily.
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« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2017, 03:18:46 PM »

Trump who is ignorant of the fact that he is the president of the U.S. Virgin Islands is not a superior candidate to a former Secretary of State. Did he know how to manipulate the media better? Sure.
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« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2017, 03:25:22 PM »
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The superior candidate wins.

She spent way more than he did. She had so many Super PACs, spent more than Romney, and she still lost.

If anything getting 3 million more votes but losing makes her beyond incompetent. Why the heck would anyone want to vote for a party that is so incompetent?

Trump spent the least amount possible to get the best results. Like what a businessman does. Clinton is the typical politician who's never had a real job her entire life who spends and spends other people's money to get no results. Just like Jeb!.
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« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2017, 03:33:34 PM »

Trump who is ignorant of the fact that he is the president of the U.S. Virgin Islands is not a superior candidate to a former Secretary of State. Did he know how to manipulate the media better? Sure.

Manipulate the media? They were so against him it was hilarious.

Clinton had EVERY advantage and still lost. She had REPUBLICANS trying to help her win en masse.

Hell Trump was SABOTAGING his campaign and he still won.
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« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2017, 03:37:55 PM »

The difference is the Comey letter was the last major event to happen in the election, and Americans have the attention span of a goldfish. If the Comey letter and Access Hollywood tape switched dates, you'd be looking at President Clinton and Majority Leader Schumer. So congrats on lucking out with timing.

Trump was getting hit hard the last month with fake sexual assault accusations, people pretending to care about his "I'll keep you in suspense" line, etc. etc.

All we heard in the last 30 days of the election was how Trump was a sore loser; that the election can't be rigged or hacked; that her ground game and data operation was unstoppable; etc. etc. The Comey letter was ENTIRELY her fault anyway.

Let's not rewrite history and pretend Trump had all these advantages. If she lost simply because of a letter then she was never meant to win.

Trump was simply the superior candidate.

Yes, he was getting hit hard. Yes, Hillary had tons of advantages. And yes, the Access Hollywood tape was in October as well. But the point was the Comey letter was the final substantial event to influence the election, therefore it had the most impact. Americans have a notoriously short attention span, and even those that don't are still very prone to recency bias.

This isn't just my opinion by the way. There was major movement in the polls, in both private and public polling, after the Comey letter was released.

After all that happened in the election all it took to take her down was a letter?

Trump had to go through a million times more things (not including self inflicted wounds).

If she didn't want the Comey letter to be released she should've

a) Dump Huma Abedin (or make sure in 2013 she dumps Weiner)

b) NOT SET UP A PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER and then delete 33,000 emails
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« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2017, 03:42:51 PM »

The difference is the Comey letter was the last major event to happen in the election, and Americans have the attention span of a goldfish. If the Comey letter and Access Hollywood tape switched dates, you'd be looking at President Clinton and Majority Leader Schumer. So congrats on lucking out with timing.

Trump was getting hit hard the last month with fake sexual assault accusations, people pretending to care about his "I'll keep you in suspense" line, etc. etc.

All we heard in the last 30 days of the election was how Trump was a sore loser; that the election can't be rigged or hacked; that her ground game and data operation was unstoppable; etc. etc. The Comey letter was ENTIRELY her fault anyway.

Let's not rewrite history and pretend Trump had all these advantages. If she lost simply because of a letter then she was never meant to win.

Trump was simply the superior candidate.

Yes, he was getting hit hard. Yes, Hillary had tons of advantages. And yes, the Access Hollywood tape was in October as well. But the point was the Comey letter was the final substantial event to influence the election, therefore it had the most impact. Americans have a notoriously short attention span, and even those that don't are still very prone to recency bias.

This isn't just my opinion by the way. There was major movement in the polls, in both private and public polling, after the Comey letter was released.

After all that happened in the election all it took to take her down was a letter?

Trump had to go through a million times more things (not including self inflicted wounds).

If she didn't want the Comey letter to be released she should've

a) Dump Huma Abedin (or make sure in 2013 she dumps Weiner)

b) NOT SET UP A PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER and then delete 33,000 emails

A million more things and self inflicted wounds that were already down the memory hole by election day. Whether or not the Comey letter was her fault is immaterial to the discussion anyway. The point is, if it didn't happen or happened earlier, she would've won.
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« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2017, 03:47:26 PM »

Trump who is ignorant of the fact that he is the president of the U.S. Virgin Islands is not a superior candidate to a former Secretary of State. Did he know how to manipulate the media better? Sure.

Manipulate the media? They were so against him it was hilarious.

Clinton had EVERY advantage and still lost. She had REPUBLICANS trying to help her win en masse.

Hell Trump was SABOTAGING his campaign and he still won.
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« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2017, 03:52:53 PM »

A million more things and self inflicted wounds that were already down the memory hole by election day. Whether or not the Comey letter was her fault is immaterial to the discussion anyway. The point is, if it didn't happen or happened earlier, she would've won.

If people forgot the Access Hollywood tape and the dozen accusers by election night then America needs to be a dictatorship because the American people would be more stupid than a goldfish.

The media every day would remind us how Trump has no chance or that Clinton is preparing to win or that Trump's campaign was in disarray.

If the Access Hollywood tape didn't come out he would've won the popular vote and MN + NH + NV.

She had every advantage in the world. There's no excuse for that. If a simple letter brought her down then she was never meant to be President.

You have a PRIME Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Magic Johnson, Shaq, and Tim Duncan on your basketball team but you're blaming the refs for why you lost.
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« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2017, 03:54:09 PM »

Trump who is ignorant of the fact that he is the president of the U.S. Virgin Islands is not a superior candidate to a former Secretary of State. Did he know how to manipulate the media better? Sure.

Manipulate the media? They were so against him it was hilarious.

Clinton had EVERY advantage and still lost. She had REPUBLICANS trying to help her win en masse.

Hell Trump was SABOTAGING his campaign and he still won.
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Don't "LMAO" and then run away. Defend your claim. If he's such a bad candidate why did he win?

All I heard throughout the election was Trump "had no chance" or this is the "beginning of the end" for Trump (seriously google that phrase - hundreds of links) or he had a "1% chance" to win.

You know, for a guy who only had a "1% chance to win the nomination" he did pretty well in the 2016 race right?
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« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2017, 03:59:07 PM »

A million more things and self inflicted wounds that were already down the memory hole by election day. Whether or not the Comey letter was her fault is immaterial to the discussion anyway. The point is, if it didn't happen or happened earlier, she would've won.

If people forgot the Access Hollywood tape and the dozen accusers by election night then America needs to be a dictatorship because the American people would be more stupid than a goldfish.

I'm glad we've reached a level of agreement here. Smiley Yay for bipartisanship!
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« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2017, 04:01:32 PM »

I'm glad we've reached a level of agreement here. Smiley Yay for bipartisanship!

Nah no agreement - I just laugh that Trump beat you guys so badly you've become irrational.

It's incredible that before the election Trump had no chance to win. Obama was even mocking Trump. Then after the election a single letter destroyed Clinton.

The American people proved rejected the Democrats' incompetency.
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« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2017, 04:08:07 PM »

Don't "LMAO" and then run away. Defend your claim. If he's such a bad candidate why did he win?
I am not running away from anything. My statement that a man who is ignorant of the fact that he is the president of the U.S. Virgin Islands is not superior to a Secretary of State stands for what it is. I do not need to go back and forth as you regurgitate over and over that Trump pulled an upset. It does not make him a better leader than her.

And he won because most Americans vote selfishly and irresponsibly and little do actual fact checking. He was able to swindle the right people in the right states. Congratulations.
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« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2017, 04:08:33 PM »

If people forgot the Access Hollywood tape and the dozen accusers by election night then America needs to be a dictatorship because the American people would be more stupid than a goldfish.

The media every day would remind us how Trump has no chance or that Clinton is preparing to win or that Trump's campaign was in disarray.
I voted for Trump because of Access Hollywood.
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« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2017, 04:09:50 PM »

If people forgot the Access Hollywood tape and the dozen accusers by election night then America needs to be a dictatorship because the American people would be more stupid than a goldfish.

The media every day would remind us how Trump has no chance or that Clinton is preparing to win or that Trump's campaign was in disarray.
I voted for Trump because of Access Hollywood.

Lol it almost made me drop support for him because I felt it was super weak that he tried to bed a married woman with furniture. Seriously, Trump?
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« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2017, 04:11:03 PM »

Don't "LMAO" and then run away. Defend your claim. If he's such a bad candidate why did he win?
I am not running away from anything. My statement that a man who is ignorant of the fact that he is the president of the U.S. Virgin Islands is not superior to a Secretary of State stands for what it is. I do not need to go back and forth as you regurgitate over and over that Trump pulled an upset. It does not make him a better leader than her.

And he won because most Americans vote selfishly and irresponsibly and little do actual fact checking. He was able to swindle the right people in the right states. Congratulations.

"Fact checking" - since when do Democrats care about facts?

And who cares about the U.S. Virgin Islands?

Clinton in 2012 said trade with Russia was a "win-win" and that it would "advance human rights" to trade with Putin.

Now we need to restart the Cold War because John Podesta fell for a phishing scam and entered his password.
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« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2017, 04:14:31 PM »

Don't "LMAO" and then run away. Defend your claim. If he's such a bad candidate why did he win?
I am not running away from anything. My statement that a man who is ignorant of the fact that he is the president of the U.S. Virgin Islands is not superior to a Secretary of State stands for what it is. I do not need to go back and forth as you regurgitate over and over that Trump pulled an upset. It does not make him a better leader than her.

And he won because most Americans vote selfishly and irresponsibly and little do actual fact checking. He was able to swindle the right people in the right states. Congratulations.

"Fact checking" - since when do Democrats care about facts?

And who cares about the U.S. Virgin Islands?

Clinton in 2012 said trade with Russia was a "win-win" and that it would "advance human rights" to trade with Putin.

Now we need to restart the Cold War because John Podesta fell for a phishing scam and entered his password.
The Virgin Islands gaffe is the tip of the iceberg on Trump's ignorance.

Furthermore, I am not claiming Clinton is perfect in foreign or domestic policy. I just know she would not be the blithering buffoon that Donald Trump is.

I'll let you continue your 2016 circle jerk while President Trump signs no major legislation.
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« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2017, 04:19:08 PM »

The Virgin Islands gaffe is the tip of the iceberg on Trump's ignorance.

Furthermore, I am not claiming Clinton is perfect in foreign or domestic policy. I just know she would not be the blithering buffoon that Donald Trump is.

I'll let you continue your 2016 circle jerk while President Trump signs no major legislation.

I'd rather have someone not know about the U.S. Virgin Islands than someone who apparently emboldened Putin.

How's Clinton's legislation?

The fact is it was always going to be hard-  the GOP is not for Trump. They were for Clinton. They never wanted to actually repeal Obamacare.
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