Updated: ~470,000 Puerto Ricans to Relocate over 2 Years (Swing State Alert)

[Unapologetic Chinaperson]

ITT: A self-proclaimed "socialist" being roasted by actual socialists. Also makes said guy's claim that he's only anti-immigrant for "economic reasons" a complete and total lie.

[Famous Mortimer]

Brownsville TX is a mostly Mexican American city in the United States. The average income there is about half what it is in the rest of the United States. I'm sure this is because the 7% White minority in the city is racist though.

Answer my questions and stop cherry picking data.

Good luck getting a substantive response from him. He cites Brownsville, TX, yet conveniently ignores El Paso, TX, which is consistently ranked among the safest major cities in America and was rated among the best places to live in 2017. But, according to Famous Mortimer, that's impossible since the city is 80% Hispanic (overwhelmingly Mexican). Maybe he'd also like to explain how cities like Los Angeles, which is about 50% Hispanic, and San Antonio, which is 64% Hispanic, are doing so well.

I thought you blocked me so you were going to finally stop replying. I should be so lucky.

Anyway, this reply is so transparently dishonest. I was talking about the economy of Brownsville and then you come back at me with "but El Paso is safe!" Okay, El Paso is safe. It's still only slightly less poor than Brownsville and much poorer than the rest of America.

[Famous Mortimer]

Brownsville TX is a mostly Mexican American city in the United States. The average income there is about half what it is in the rest of the United States. I'm sure this is because the 7% White minority in the city is racist though.

Answer my questions and stop cherry picking data.

I have no idea why Latin Americans create communities that are almost uniformly poorer than communities in the United States, even when they are completely in control of those communities and can't really claim anyone is oppressing them.

Regardless of the reason, that's objectively the way it is.

I don't think it's genetic. I think if you took a bunch of non-white Hispanic babies and had them raised by white Americans, they would probably end up having outcomes similar to white Americans. That idea seems racist to me though so I wouldn't advocate it.

It probably does have to do with Latin American culture though. As others in this thread have pointed out, culture is not genetic.

[Dr. Arch]

Brownsville TX is a mostly Mexican American city in the United States. The average income there is about half what it is in the rest of the United States. I'm sure this is because the 7% White minority in the city is racist though.

Answer my questions and stop cherry picking data.

I have no idea why Latin Americans create communities that are almost uniformly poorer than communities in the United States, even when they are completely in control of those communities and can't really claim anyone is oppressing them.

Regardless of the reason, that's objectively the way it is.

I don't think it's genetic. I think if you took a bunch of non-white Hispanic babies and had them raised by white Americans, they would probably end up having outcomes similar to white Americans. That idea seems racist to me though so I wouldn't advocate it.

It probably does have to do with Latin American culture though. As others in this thread have pointed out, culture is not genetic.

My questions remain unanswered, and I was the one who pointed that out.

[Famous Mortimer]

Your question was stupid. It was "why are different people different?" I don't know. I have no idea why people in Peru and people in Thailand produce different cultures. They do though and those cultures are resilient and maintain themselves even when their members move to other countries, especially when whole communities based around those cultures are transported to another country, as people on the left advocate doing with Latin American culture.

[Dr. Arch]

Your question was stupid. It was "why are different people different?" I don't know. I have no idea why people in Peru and people in Thailand produce different cultures. They do though and those cultures are resilient and maintain themselves even when their members move to other countries, especially when whole communities based around those cultures are transported to another country, as people on the left advocate doing with Latin American culture.

Listen, that wasn't even one of my questions, yet you dignified yourself to put quotation marks around it. Here they are again, for reference:

"Again, what are "different people"? What makes them "different"? How do these characteristics restrict or confine cultural developments diachronically?"

You are clearly out of your league if you think those questions are stupid. They are at the core of your whole misguided belief on this issue and of decades of academic dialogue in anthropological linguistics, sociolinguistics, and social anthropology, and you don't even know how to answer them, if even simply.

Honestly, whose perspective is stupid? Get over yourself.

[Famous Mortimer]

Your question: what are "different people"? What makes them "different"?

My "unfair" paraphrase: what makes different people different

[Dr. Arch]

Your question: what are "different people"? What makes them "different"?

My "unfair" paraphrase: what makes different people different

It is a basic high school-level expectation for direct quotes to go in quotation marks and paraphrases to be attributed to the source, but not placed in quotation marks.

Second, your paraphrase completely warps the intended line of questioning in the original post. My first question asks YOU what is a "different" person from your perspective in the context of this conversation. The second question aims for the specific characteristics that define that difference.

At this point, you're just trying to play a semantics game to avoid actually addressing the issue, and you're failing horribly at it. I won't waste another post on this unless you actually add something substantive to the conversation to support your claims.

[Famous Mortimer]

Your question: what are "different people"? What makes them "different"?

My "unfair" paraphrase: what makes different people different

It is a basic high school-level expectation for direct quotes to go in quotation marks and paraphrases to be attributed to the source, but not placed in quotation marks.

Do you also get this butthurt when people use "literally" ironically?

Anyway, I answered your (very very stupid) question already. You are the one who is trying to change the subject to your own pedantry.

[Dr. Arch]

Your question: what are "different people"? What makes them "different"?

My "unfair" paraphrase: what makes different people different

It is a basic high school-level expectation for direct quotes to go in quotation marks and paraphrases to be attributed to the source, but not placed in quotation marks.

Do you also get this butthurt when people use "literally" ironically?

Anyway, I answered your (very very stupid) question already. You are the one who is trying to change the subject to your own pedantry.

lol, butt hurt because I expect quotes to be in quotation marks. Pls. Add a couple more "very" to that statement. It'll make it even better.


P.S. Looking back, I found this (what you probably think is an answer to my questions):

"I have no idea why Latin Americans create communities that are almost uniformly poorer than communities in the United States, even when they are completely in control of those communities and can't really claim anyone is oppressing them.

Regardless of the reason, that's objectively the way it is.

I don't think it's genetic. I think if you took a bunch of non-white Hispanic babies and had them raised by white Americans, they would probably end up having outcomes similar to white Americans. That idea seems racist to me though so I wouldn't advocate it.

It probably does have to do with Latin American culture though. As others in this thread have pointed out, culture is not genetic. "

It isn't.

And again, "Latin American" refers to dozens of countries, some of which are independent, others that are colonies (Puerto Rico, the subject of this entire thread) and are systematically oppressed.

If by "different," you mean culturally, then your whole idea falls apart with the examples we quoted before. If by "different," you mean culturally outside of the US, you fail to understand that success and wealth are defined differently in different cultures. If you view everything through mainland American lens, of course your perceptions of other countries will be warped.

Besides, you have plenty of poverty in the United States by many different subgroups, many of which are White (see: West Virginia, etc.). Your whole perception is predicated on a bias towards Latin American culture and nothing else. If you had something else, you would have laid out those characteristics I was asking about already, without jumping back on the cultural monologue.

[Badger]

ITT WillipsBrighton embraces #MAGAism to the fullest.

If by that you mean f*** headed know-nothing bigotry, then yes

[BlueSwan]

As someone who has actually read a lot of research on why countries are rich and poor [...]

I would actually like to read up on that subject a bit. Any particular book or source you'd recommend?

[Famous Mortimer]

Puerto Rico is not oppressed.

That is evident because less than 10% of the population supports independence.

Puerto Rico wants to remain part of the United States because their relationship with the United States is beneficial to them.

That situation cannot be described as "oppression".

[Dr. Arch]

Puerto Rico is not oppressed.

That is evident because less than 10% of the population supports independence.

Puerto Rico wants to remain part of the United States because their relationship with the United States is beneficial to them.

That situation cannot be described as "oppression".

LOL LOL LOL. You know nothing, even less than John Snow. Read up on neo-colonialism and Puerto Rico's political status. I won't even go into detail on that. If Maria wasn't a hint for you, nothing will be, honestly. And with all those non-sequitur steps in your reasoning, it'll be hard to have an honest dialogue about it with you.

Besides, there's a lot more to my post than what you decided to respond to. I guess I'm just wasting my time.

[Devout Centrist]

Morty lives up to his namesake’s intellect, at least.

[Famous Mortimer]

Puerto Rico pays no federal income tax and receives 21 Billion a year in federal tax dollars.

It's basically the Congo Free State.

[Devout Centrist]

Puerto Rico pays no federal income tax and receives 21 Billion a year in federal tax dollars.

It's basically the Congo Free State

I’d like to believe this is trolling, but I know better.

Cut your losses, pal.

[Famous Mortimer]

Puerto Rico pays no federal income tax and receives 21 Billion a year in federal tax dollars.

It's basically the Congo Free State

I’d like to believe this is trolling, but I know better.

Cut your losses, pal.

No, it's sarcasm. Did you really not recognize that?

[Dr. Arch]

Puerto Rico pays no federal income tax and receives 21 Billion a year in federal tax dollars.

It's basically the Congo Free State.

You're right in that federal income tax is not charged in Puerto Rico, but then again, Puerto Rico is paying a bunch of other income taxes, the Jones Act de facto tax included. There's also the capita loss to companies that operate in Puerto Rico, but pay taxes to the U.S. federal government, which don't come back to the island.

Then there's the whole not having the right to vote, the right to representation, and--most recently--the right to be treated as human beings with dignity, let alone American citizens.

WRONG

And if your posts are really sarcasm, they're really bad sarcasm. They're more like trolling than anything else. But you truly believe this, so I digress.

[Devout Centrist]

Puerto Rico pays no federal income tax and receives 21 Billion a year in federal tax dollars.

It's basically the Congo Free State

I’d like to believe this is trolling, but I know better.

Cut your losses, pal.

No, it's sarcasm. Did you really not recognize that?

Sure, after you had a look at wikipedia

[Famous Mortimer]

Puerto Rico pays no federal income tax and receives 21 Billion a year in federal tax dollars.

It's basically the Congo Free State

I’d like to believe this is trolling, but I know better.

Cut your losses, pal.

No, it's sarcasm. Did you really not recognize that?

Sure, after you had a look at wikipedia

What?

[publicunofficial]

ITT WillipsBrighton embraces #MAGAism to the fullest.

The man openly supports eugenics and is easily the most racist person who posts here.

[Badger]

ITT WillipsBrighton embraces #MAGAism to the fullest.

The man openly supports eugenics and is easily the most racist person who posts here.

Yeah. He's pretty much said that he opposes immigration because it makes him and his crappy life feel worse. Total racist POS

[Famous Mortimer]

ITT WillipsBrighton embraces #MAGAism to the fullest.

The man openly supports eugenics and is easily the most racist person who posts here.

Yeah. He's pretty much said that he opposes immigration because it makes him and his crappy life feel worse. Total racist POS

I obviously never said anything close to this but in an abstract sense, it's true. I oppose immigration because it hurts wages and makes the establishment of a strong welfare state harder, thus making my life materially worse. Most people take the political positions they take because they are trying to keep their lives from becoming materially worse. Immigrants themselves are pro-immigration for the same reason I am anti-immigration, they want better wages and welfare benefits for themselves. I don't begrudge them for wanting this. At the same time, I don't think the United States should be required to give them what they want just because they demand it and I don't think the United States even could provide those things if they try to provide them to too many people.

[Gustaf]

As someone who has actually read a lot of research on why countries are rich and poor [...]

I would actually like to read up on that subject a bit. Any particular book or source you'd recommend?

Why Nations Fail is probably a pretty good starting point. If you feel comfortable enough around academic econ articles papers by Acemoglu and Robinson involving words like settler mortality would probably work as well.