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« on: September 25, 2017, 10:14:47 AM »


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The law and the state have no interest in protecting workers from the ones who use their wealth and power to influence and control the laws. Only workers themselves have the power to protect their interests against the exploitative practices of employers who seek to minimize responsibility to and cost of employees, utilizing the powers their unequal wealth and power provide them to "persuade" lawmakers to side with them. That's why the collective power of workers, as manifest in labor unions, is essential to protect workers and their individual and class interests, since nobody else ever will.
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2017, 10:17:13 AM »
« Edited: September 25, 2017, 10:46:33 AM by Hindsight is 2020 »

But Trump is a blue collar champion because he's valgur and mean spirited to minorities
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 10:26:41 AM »

But Trumo is a blue collar champion because he's valgur and mean spirited to minorities

Trump is and always has been the champion of the wealthy and was put into power by America's upper-middle class. His real base wasn't working class Americans, but rather middle and upper-middle class, non-college educated White voters. His administration is packed with billionaires and other representatives of major industries. All of his policies have pursued the interests of the wealthy and powerful while shoring up support among those the GOP and Trump seek to harm by inflaming a culture war as a distraction.

Yes, I know you were being sarcastic in your response, but some people actually believe that nonsense.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 11:00:55 AM »

I mean, it really isn't the Supreme Court's fault that the Federal Arbitration Act has been law of the land for a century. If you want to gut arbitration get Congress to pass a law rolling it back.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 11:08:08 AM »

I mean, it really isn't the Supreme Court's fault that the Federal Arbitration Act has been law of the land for a century. If you want to gut arbitration get Congress to pass a law rolling it back.

SCOTUS takes the blame a lot for Congress' f[inks]ed up laws.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 11:09:25 AM »

Gorsuch sucks... That is all.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 11:11:14 AM »


He hasn't done anything yet.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2017, 11:13:34 AM »


But muh Trump stolez teh seats.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2017, 03:00:02 PM »

Still pretty pathetic that the Democrats allowed this seat to slip through their fingers and give it to Trump. Manchin, Heitkamp and Donnelly even voted for him, what pussies.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2017, 03:06:03 PM »

Someone tell Canadian how the nuclear option works.
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2017, 03:24:51 PM »

Still pretty pathetic that the Democrats allowed this seat to slip through their fingers and give it to Trump. Manchin, Heitkamp and Donnelly even voted for him, what pussies.

There is nothing Democrats could have done to stop it. Republicans have a majority, and they gambled for that seat and won. The reason those Democratic Senators voted for him was to curry favor in Trump states, as they all knew Gorsuch was getting confirmed no matter what. There was no point in casting a vote that could possibly hurt them in 2018.

Symbolic opposition isn't always the best strategy for every Democrat.
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2017, 03:28:44 PM »

There is nothing Democrats could have done to stop it. Republicans have a majority, and they gambled for that seat and won. The reason those Democratic Senators voted for him was to curry favor in Trump states, as they all knew Gorsuch was getting confirmed no matter what. There was no point in casting a vote that could possibly hurt them in 2018.

Symbolic opposition isn't always the best strategy for every Democrat.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2017, 03:40:06 PM »

Characterizing contractual arbitration clauses as an attack on workers' rights is a bit of a stretch. And it assumes that the outcomes that come out of courts are more just than those that come out of arbitration. Perhaps the more generous outcomes were excessive. One would need to look at the cases one at a time to get a better sense of that.
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2017, 03:52:26 PM »

That pic makes Gorsuch look like a movie villain from a 1970's movie.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2017, 04:06:34 PM »

There is nothing Democrats could have done to stop it. Republicans have a majority, and they gambled for that seat and won. The reason those Democratic Senators voted for him was to curry favor in Trump states, as they all knew Gorsuch was getting confirmed no matter what. There was no point in casting a vote that could possibly hurt them in 2018.

Symbolic opposition isn't always the best strategy for every Democrat.
This deluded thinking is why Democrats are as unpopular as they are.
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2017, 04:08:43 PM »

There is nothing Democrats could have done to stop it. Republicans have a majority, and they gambled for that seat and won. The reason those Democratic Senators voted for him was to curry favor in Trump states, as they all knew Gorsuch was getting confirmed no matter what. There was no point in casting a vote that could possibly hurt them in 2018.

Symbolic opposition isn't always the best strategy for every Democrat.
This deluded thinking is why Democrats are as unpopular as they are.

This is... just empty concern trolling. Like, if you really think that those three senators voting against Gorsuch would have changed anything, you're either completely disingenuous or literally mathematically illiterate.
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2017, 04:14:12 PM »

But those emails were just such a problem.
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2017, 04:14:50 PM »

There is nothing Democrats could have done to stop it. Republicans have a majority, and they gambled for that seat and won. The reason those Democratic Senators voted for him was to curry favor in Trump states, as they all knew Gorsuch was getting confirmed no matter what. There was no point in casting a vote that could possibly hurt them in 2018.

Symbolic opposition isn't always the best strategy for every Democrat.
This deluded thinking is why Democrats are as unpopular as they are.

This is... just empty concern trolling. Like, if you really think that those three senators voting against Gorsuch would have changed anything, you're either completely disingenuous or literally mathematically illiterate.
Voting against him would of changed nothing, no sh*t. Don't you think voting for him however gives Democrats at home a bad taste in their mouth? Why vote for Democrats in their home state if they are just going to go along with the Republicans. This happened with Allison Grimes when she wouldn't admit she voted for Obama. You really think your going to get more support if you cower to the Republicans?
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2017, 04:17:03 PM »

There is nothing Democrats could have done to stop it. Republicans have a majority, and they gambled for that seat and won. The reason those Democratic Senators voted for him was to curry favor in Trump states, as they all knew Gorsuch was getting confirmed no matter what. There was no point in casting a vote that could possibly hurt them in 2018.

Symbolic opposition isn't always the best strategy for every Democrat.
This deluded thinking is why Democrats are as unpopular as they are.

This is... just empty concern trolling. Like, if you really think that those three senators voting against Gorsuch would have changed anything, you're either completely disingenuous or literally mathematically illiterate.
Voting against him would of changed nothing, no sh*t. Don't you think voting for him however gives Democrats at home a bad taste in their mouth? Why vote for Democrats in their home state if they are just going to go along with the Republicans. This happened with Allison Grimes when she wouldn't admit she voted for Obama. You really think your going to get more support if you cower to the Republicans?

We'll have to wait and see in 2018.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2017, 05:01:07 PM »

Someone tell Canadian how the nuclear option works.

Probably past his comprehension seeing as how he's someone who thinks that Trotskyists are European centrists.
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2017, 05:45:34 PM »


Not my Supreme Court Justice!
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2017, 06:02:02 PM »

As this case showed, all 9 justices on the Supreme Court are anti-worker. It's just a question of exactly how anti-worker they are.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/09/supreme-court-worker-security-screening_n_6294634.html
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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2017, 06:09:31 PM »

The only real right that a worker has in America is the right to change his job.
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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2017, 09:50:18 PM »
« Edited: September 25, 2017, 10:17:30 PM by Virginia »

Voting against him would of changed nothing, no sh*t. Don't you think voting for him however gives Democrats at home a bad taste in their mouth?

Don't you see an issue with the way you worded it the first time? :

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How else is that supposed to be interpreted? It comes off as if you think Democrats somehow could have stopped Mitch from stealing that seat. You're not new to politics, you know it works, and you should know that so long as Republicans controlled the chamber, no matter how small their majority was, they would vote 100% party line to confirm another conservative to the bench, and if there were any modifiable rules blocking such an action, they would change them (as they did). It's not my fault nor others that you posted a statement that was interpreted by pretty much everyone the complete opposite of what you supposedly intended.



This deluded thinking is why Democrats are as unpopular as they are.

Why are your posts always so aggressive and/or negative? Don't you think I could have responded to you with something like, "Really? Are you soooo delusional that you think Democrats could use their non-existent majority to confirm Garland, or use their newfound non-existent majority to block Gorsuch?", but I didn't, because there is no reason to throw feces every time right off the bat.

I don't really get what your problem is. I posted a rebuttal to a post that was blatantly wrong. The cool thing to do is respond in a decent manner with your own arguments.

And also consider for a moment that maybe you don't have all the answers. Maybe these Senators casting what was basically a symbolic vote for Gorsuch to avoid any conservative attack lines in conservative states made the right move, or maybe they didn't, but at least don't pretend like you know it all. Neither approach here is so obvious right or wrong to deserve the "deluded thinking" label you so liberally applied.
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