Who is more insane?

[angus]

the mad pollster now making straw polls?  tough one.  Well, my unprofessional opinion is that they're all nuts, but by degree:  First, Kim hails from North Korea, a country in which official anti-American sentiment is tremendous and for nearly fifty years students have been indoctrinated against the capitalist menace.  So at least he has some excuse.  Le Pen is French.  On the one had it's the only member of the UN security council with which we have never had a hot, cold, or feigned war.  On the other, it has unofficial anti-americanism so great that it was one of only two countries whose official sympathies lie with the enemy, or the rebel forces, during our country's only internal war.  So, at least he has some excuse.  That leaves two Americans:  Moore and Robertson.  But then Moore's a lazy, fat, barely literate, unsophisticated, shortsighted (and nearsighted) bum in a shabby feed-store cap.  Pretty much exactly the French stereotype of the typical american, when you think about it.  And, he does hail from a fairly blue-collar background with decidedly anti-GOP indoctrination.  Hell, it took me till I was over 30 to realize that all that garbage I'd been fed all my life about the Dems being the good guys and Reagan being the devil incarnate was just a new religion in disguise.  Call it anti-republican bigotry.  Call it Welfare-State mentality.  Call it whatever you want, but deprogramming isn't easy.  I know this well and can vouch for it, so I'll give him a pass as well.

That leaves Robertson.  Not that he's any more or less insane, and not that I have any degrees in psychology, but, it takes one to know one, so my expertease lies in my own insanity.  And, anyway, the others all have an excuse.  So he's the most insane.

[angus]

the mad pollster now making straw polls?  tough one.  Well, my unprofessional opinion is that they're all nuts, but by degree:  First, Kim hails from North Korea, a country in which official anti-American sentiment is tremendous and for nearly fifty years students have been indoctrinated against the capitalist menace.  So at least he has some excuse.  Le Pen is French.  On the one had it's the only member of the UN security council with which we have never had a hot, cold, or feigned war.  On the other, it has unofficial anti-americanism so great that it was one of only two countries whose official sympathies lie with the enemy, or the rebel forces, during our country's only internal war.  So, at least he has some excuse.  That leaves two Americans:  Moore and Robertson.  But then Moore's a lazy, fat, barely literate, unsophisticated, shortsighted (and nearsighted) bum in a shabby feed-store cap.  Pretty much exactly the French stereotype of the typical american, when you think about it.  And, he does hail from a fairly blue-collar background with decidedly anti-GOP indoctrination.  Hell, it took me till I was over 30 to realize that all that garbage I'd been fed all my life about the Dems being the good guys and Reagan being the devil incarnate was just a new religion in disguise.  Call it anti-republican bigotry.  Call it Welfare-State mentality.  Call it whatever you want, but deprogramming isn't easy.  I know this well and can vouch for it, so I'll give him a pass as well.

That leaves Robertson.  Not that he's any more or less insane, and not that I have any degrees in psychology, but, it takes one to know one, so my expertease lies in my own insanity.  And, anyway, the others all have an excuse.  So he's the most insane.

Between 1798 and 1800 we fought an undeclared naval war with France.

And if you can't get along with France you just can't get along with anyone. 

Damn.  I stand corrected, okay, but that only reinforces Le Pen's excuse.

[angus]

Don't confuse sanity with intelligence.

Got it Dr. Freud.  Actually, I'm wondering why Vorlon would be slumming like this.  This is the sort of Straw Poll I'd expect from several posters, but's this is surprising.  Bad day at the office, I'd guess. 

Either way, I agree, Moore's certainly not well-adjusted, but he's sane.  His ill-adjustment is probably the result of familial brainwashing compounded by a total lack of social grace and obesity so great that the one-eyed snake isn't able to stick his head out and say howdy when he's giving the undercarriage a bit of the ol' Hows-your-father, which is probably something that he does quite a bit, as it's hard to imagine a bitter fat pig like him getting laid very often.  It's certainly no wonder the French stereotype of Americans being lazy, fat, unsophisticated, and totally out of touch with clothing fashions when he's the sort of American our great and noble Left export upon a pedestal for foreigners.

That said, I'm also surprised so many would pick Kim.  (yes, Koreans do their sirnames first, just like the chinese)  I think the (straw!) poll results are a testament to how little the people of this country understand about the official anti-american brainwasing of North Korea.  I think it also attests to how little we understand what an $800 dollar-a-year per capita GDP will do to people.  This man is NOT insane.  He is, however, frustrated and George Bush, I'll allow regardless of how much it pisses off the serious republicans, hasn't really done much to alleviate his incredible frustration.

[angus]

Kim Jong-Il is certainly the most dangerous of that group.

Michael Moore is dangerous to the extent that anybody listens to him.  Some stupid people do, but enough reject him to make him less dangerous than the leader of a rogue nation.

Pat Robertson is more or less a gasbag, and I don't think too many people take him seriously.

That post I agree with in toto.  Care to comment on Jean Marie Le Pen?  Remember, he was the traditionalist who finished second behind Jacques Chirac in 2003, but ahead of Lionel Jospin, the Leftist-Socialist, in the presidential race.  (neither americans nor french like to admit that our governments are much more alike in structure than either are like its neighbors.  this, too, I blame on the schools)  Le Pen makes Ralph Reed look like a veritable saint.  He's the xenophobic, chauvinistic (okay, I know those two adjectives are redundant, since we already said he was French), French nationalist-traditionalist who advocated a more rightist economic policy, stricter immigration policy, and a control and ID policy for muslims that would make Alolf Eichman and Josef Goebels proud. 

Or did you leave him out deliberately?  You GOP-fascist-capitalist pig. 

[angus]

Sorry man, can't really remember where I was going with that.  Made sense at the time I was typing.  Probably I oughtta do something more constructive.  G'night. 

[angus]

Don't confuse sanity with intelligence.

Got it Dr. Freud.  Actually, I'm wondering why Vorlon would be slumming like this.  This is the sort of Straw Poll I'd expect from several posters, but's this is surprising.  Bad day at the office, I'd guess. 

My point is that that Robertson is a moron.  Moore is not particularly bright.  Le Pen is racist a**hole, who's not bright either.  Kim is nuts.

clear.  again, I had a point last night but forgot what it was.  my apologies for the sarcasm.  Mostly I was venting at the use of a clinical psychology term by a poster, usually a serious one, who has thus far claimed no particular psychoanalytical traning.  I'm a big fan of division of labor, as I've stated before in my many rants against Frist and Dean, both of whom are well qualified for other jobs, but not for the jobs their respective parties have given them (as they're both finding out!)  I suppose asking, in a straw poll, whether someone is insane, is the sort of thing I find gravely offensive.  Still, I should have made that more clear instead of raining sarcasm on other posters. 

I stand by this:  Not a goddamned one of you is qualified to say whether Kim or any of the others is insane, and this is a dangerous game You are all playing.

[angus]

well, I'm a big fan of recreational drug use.  Does that make me a pharmacist? 

anyway, that's fine, call me an asshole, but I think many of the problems have in our society stem from a lack of adequate respect for the education system, perhaps brought on by the failure of our educational system (although we can debate this latter point.)

But back on topic, I agree with Dazzleman that Kim is probably the most dangerous to the stability of his region.  And I'd encourage the President to try to alleviate the danger, rather than calling his country "axis of evil"  Who the hell knows how that might get rendered in Korean by his translators, given that good/evil are zoroastrian/western constructs unfamiliar to early childhood associations of Koreans, but any way you translate that, it's gotta come off nasty.

[angus]

I think for the most part, everyone here are armchair quarterbacks when it comes to what we discuss...

yeah, you're right.  and maybe I'm overreacting, all straw polls are merely ruses for introducing interesting topics of discussions.  This one is no different I suppose.  Clearly people agree that Kim is the most dangerous.  But you never know when one of the Bush Administration's minions is here.  I suspect that any campaign adviser worth his salt would eventually discover this forum.  Get the pulse of a nation, as it were.  Bush is pretty cocksure and a tad stubborn, which makes him an attractive candidate for CEO in my book (though not for Congress), but he has a propensity for following really bad advice all too often.  I hate to think some neocon with a hard-on for destruction is whispering "insanity" in his ear right now.  So when this sort of poll originates from a poster with a reputation for asking questions like, "Would you rather have sex with your grandmother or have sex with Bob Dole?" or like, "Which state is the best state to live in?" you know any observers know to take it with a grain.  But when the "insanity" question, originates from a respected serious pollster, I think it's bound to be taken more seriously.  Maybe too seriously.

But then I also think we're under observation by extraterrestrial beings of superior intellect.  So you should also take any opinion I offer with a grain of salt.

"Paranoia will destroy ya."
     --Black Sabbath