Who is more insane?

[The Vorlon]

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Oooooooh... toughie this...

[Jake]

Kim Jong-Il easily

[MODU]

They are all roughly the same level of wacko's, but Kim wins, followed by Pat, Frenchi, and Moore (surprisingly enough).

[minionofmidas]

I voted Le Pen, but it'S really a tie between him and Robertson, with Kim no far behind.
Anyone who believes Michael Moore compares with this crowd is even nuttier than Michael Moore - and that's saying a lot.

[angus]

the mad pollster now making straw polls?  tough one.  Well, my unprofessional opinion is that they're all nuts, but by degree:  First, Kim hails from North Korea, a country in which official anti-American sentiment is tremendous and for nearly fifty years students have been indoctrinated against the capitalist menace.  So at least he has some excuse.  Le Pen is French.  On the one had it's the only member of the UN security council with which we have never had a hot, cold, or feigned war.  On the other, it has unofficial anti-americanism so great that it was one of only two countries whose official sympathies lie with the enemy, or the rebel forces, during our country's only internal war.  So, at least he has some excuse.  That leaves two Americans:  Moore and Robertson.  But then Moore's a lazy, fat, barely literate, unsophisticated, shortsighted (and nearsighted) bum in a shabby feed-store cap.  Pretty much exactly the French stereotype of the typical american, when you think about it.  And, he does hail from a fairly blue-collar background with decidedly anti-GOP indoctrination.  Hell, it took me till I was over 30 to realize that all that garbage I'd been fed all my life about the Dems being the good guys and Reagan being the devil incarnate was just a new religion in disguise.  Call it anti-republican bigotry.  Call it Welfare-State mentality.  Call it whatever you want, but deprogramming isn't easy.  I know this well and can vouch for it, so I'll give him a pass as well.

That leaves Robertson.  Not that he's any more or less insane, and not that I have any degrees in psychology, but, it takes one to know one, so my expertease lies in my own insanity.  And, anyway, the others all have an excuse.  So he's the most insane.

[The Dowager Mod]

the mad pollster now making straw polls?  tough one.  Well, my unprofessional opinion is that they're all nuts, but by degree:  First, Kim hails from North Korea, a country in which official anti-American sentiment is tremendous and for nearly fifty years students have been indoctrinated against the capitalist menace.  So at least he has some excuse.  Le Pen is French.  On the one had it's the only member of the UN security council with which we have never had a hot, cold, or feigned war.  On the other, it has unofficial anti-americanism so great that it was one of only two countries whose official sympathies lie with the enemy, or the rebel forces, during our country's only internal war.  So, at least he has some excuse.  That leaves two Americans:  Moore and Robertson.  But then Moore's a lazy, fat, barely literate, unsophisticated, shortsighted (and nearsighted) bum in a shabby feed-store cap.  Pretty much exactly the French stereotype of the typical american, when you think about it.  And, he does hail from a fairly blue-collar background with decidedly anti-GOP indoctrination.  Hell, it took me till I was over 30 to realize that all that garbage I'd been fed all my life about the Dems being the good guys and Reagan being the devil incarnate was just a new religion in disguise.  Call it anti-republican bigotry.  Call it Welfare-State mentality.  Call it whatever you want, but deprogramming isn't easy.  I know this well and can vouch for it, so I'll give him a pass as well.

That leaves Robertson.  Not that he's any more or less insane, and not that I have any degrees in psychology, but, it takes one to know one, so my expertease lies in my own insanity.  And, anyway, the others all have an excuse.  So he's the most insane.

Between 1798 and 1800 we fought an undeclared naval war with France.

[angus]

the mad pollster now making straw polls?  tough one.  Well, my unprofessional opinion is that they're all nuts, but by degree:  First, Kim hails from North Korea, a country in which official anti-American sentiment is tremendous and for nearly fifty years students have been indoctrinated against the capitalist menace.  So at least he has some excuse.  Le Pen is French.  On the one had it's the only member of the UN security council with which we have never had a hot, cold, or feigned war.  On the other, it has unofficial anti-americanism so great that it was one of only two countries whose official sympathies lie with the enemy, or the rebel forces, during our country's only internal war.  So, at least he has some excuse.  That leaves two Americans:  Moore and Robertson.  But then Moore's a lazy, fat, barely literate, unsophisticated, shortsighted (and nearsighted) bum in a shabby feed-store cap.  Pretty much exactly the French stereotype of the typical american, when you think about it.  And, he does hail from a fairly blue-collar background with decidedly anti-GOP indoctrination.  Hell, it took me till I was over 30 to realize that all that garbage I'd been fed all my life about the Dems being the good guys and Reagan being the devil incarnate was just a new religion in disguise.  Call it anti-republican bigotry.  Call it Welfare-State mentality.  Call it whatever you want, but deprogramming isn't easy.  I know this well and can vouch for it, so I'll give him a pass as well.

That leaves Robertson.  Not that he's any more or less insane, and not that I have any degrees in psychology, but, it takes one to know one, so my expertease lies in my own insanity.  And, anyway, the others all have an excuse.  So he's the most insane.

Between 1798 and 1800 we fought an undeclared naval war with France.

And if you can't get along with France you just can't get along with anyone. 

Damn.  I stand corrected, okay, but that only reinforces Le Pen's excuse.

[Blue Rectangle]

Moore is an entertainer.  I believe a lot of what he says is just an act.  He's definitely not insane.

Robertson is a quasi-entertainer.  I don't think he's any less sane than Moore.

Le Pen is a demagogue and a political opportunist.  You always get a few of these in any democracy.  He is also not insane

Kim is different.  Unlike the others, his success is not due primarily to "insane" behavior.  The other three have become celebrities because they act weird, but Kim is still in power despite his behavior.

[Speed of Sound]

ill say Kim Jong Il with Robertson really close behind.

[Giant Saguaro]

Kim Jong Il, clearly.

Pat Robertson is just an old school religious conservative who has largely remained the same for years and years, decades, really. He's saying the same stuff, basically - I don't know that he has moved any direction as much as has society perhaps or the folks who are appalled by him.

Michael Moore is just a shrewd businessman, that's all. He packages his sarcastic and somewhat humorous/pessimistic and ultra partisan point of view as 'documentary'/'satire' and sells it. That particaular enterprise has been going since probably Swift. Swift, of course, was more up-front about what he was doing, but still same enterprise really. The people who follow Moore relentlessly and give him lots of money to show up to speak and who scarf up all his stuff are worse off than he, by far. Moore's not insane.

Le Pen - well, he's just a gasbag, apparently.

[jokerman]

Kim John Il

Pat Robertson and Michael Moore are both definitly sane, and I certainly admire them both a lot.

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LOL, who voted Moore?

[Akno21]

From what I can tell, Michael Moore's politics aren't much more to the left than your average liberal. (By liberal I mean Jfern, Smash, Nclib, etc.) It's just his antics are somewhat extreme, and he has become the right's pinata for liberal-bashing, due to his personal characteristics along with political views.

[Gabu]

Besides Moore, who is extreme, but not really insane, that's a tough question.  I'm leaning towards Kim Jong-Il, but that could very well be simply that he's scarier since he's in power.

[J. J.]

Don't confuse sanity with intelligence.

[angus]

Don't confuse sanity with intelligence.

Got it Dr. Freud.  Actually, I'm wondering why Vorlon would be slumming like this.  This is the sort of Straw Poll I'd expect from several posters, but's this is surprising.  Bad day at the office, I'd guess. 

Either way, I agree, Moore's certainly not well-adjusted, but he's sane.  His ill-adjustment is probably the result of familial brainwashing compounded by a total lack of social grace and obesity so great that the one-eyed snake isn't able to stick his head out and say howdy when he's giving the undercarriage a bit of the ol' Hows-your-father, which is probably something that he does quite a bit, as it's hard to imagine a bitter fat pig like him getting laid very often.  It's certainly no wonder the French stereotype of Americans being lazy, fat, unsophisticated, and totally out of touch with clothing fashions when he's the sort of American our great and noble Left export upon a pedestal for foreigners.

That said, I'm also surprised so many would pick Kim.  (yes, Koreans do their sirnames first, just like the chinese)  I think the (straw!) poll results are a testament to how little the people of this country understand about the official anti-american brainwasing of North Korea.  I think it also attests to how little we understand what an $800 dollar-a-year per capita GDP will do to people.  This man is NOT insane.  He is, however, frustrated and George Bush, I'll allow regardless of how much it pisses off the serious republicans, hasn't really done much to alleviate his incredible frustration.

[dazzleman]

Kim Jong-Il is certainly the most dangerous of that group.

Michael Moore is dangerous to the extent that anybody listens to him.  Some stupid people do, but enough reject him to make him less dangerous than the leader of a rogue nation.

Pat Robertson is more or less a gasbag, and I don't think too many people take him seriously.

[DanielX]

They're all kinda fruity. Kim's the most dangerous, Pat's got the least excuse (Kim's dad was a nut, Moore's using his insanity to make big money, and Le Pen is French), Mikey's the biggest blowhard, and Le Pen is the most French.

[angus]

Kim Jong-Il is certainly the most dangerous of that group.

Michael Moore is dangerous to the extent that anybody listens to him.  Some stupid people do, but enough reject him to make him less dangerous than the leader of a rogue nation.

Pat Robertson is more or less a gasbag, and I don't think too many people take him seriously.

That post I agree with in toto.  Care to comment on Jean Marie Le Pen?  Remember, he was the traditionalist who finished second behind Jacques Chirac in 2003, but ahead of Lionel Jospin, the Leftist-Socialist, in the presidential race.  (neither americans nor french like to admit that our governments are much more alike in structure than either are like its neighbors.  this, too, I blame on the schools)  Le Pen makes Ralph Reed look like a veritable saint.  He's the xenophobic, chauvinistic (okay, I know those two adjectives are redundant, since we already said he was French), French nationalist-traditionalist who advocated a more rightist economic policy, stricter immigration policy, and a control and ID policy for muslims that would make Alolf Eichman and Josef Goebels proud. 

Or did you leave him out deliberately?  You GOP-fascist-capitalist pig. 

[angus]

Sorry man, can't really remember where I was going with that.  Made sense at the time I was typing.  Probably I oughtta do something more constructive.  G'night. 

[dazzleman]

Kim Jong-Il is certainly the most dangerous of that group.

Michael Moore is dangerous to the extent that anybody listens to him.  Some stupid people do, but enough reject him to make him less dangerous than the leader of a rogue nation.

Pat Robertson is more or less a gasbag, and I don't think too many people take him seriously.

That post I agree with in toto.  Care to comment on Jean Marie Le Pen?  Remember, he was the traditionalist who finished second behind Jacques Chirac in 2003, but ahead of Lionel Jospin, the Leftist-Socialist, in the presidential race.  (neither americans nor french like to admit that our governments are much more alike in structure than either are like its neighbors.  this, too, I blame on the schools)  Le Pen makes Ralph Reed look like a veritable saint.  He's the xenophobic, chauvinistic (okay, I know those two adjectives are redundant, since we already said he was French), French nationalist-traditionalist who advocated a more rightist economic policy, stricter immigration policy, and a control and ID policy for muslims that would make Alolf Eichman and Josef Goebels proud. 

Or did you leave him out deliberately?  You GOP-fascist-capitalist pig. 

My knowledge of Le Pen is very superficial.  I know that he's a French right-winger who got about 20% of the vote in a multi-candidate contest for the French presidency.  He's been called a fascist, but leftists call anybody they don't like fascist, so I don't know if it's really true without independent knowledge of the policies he advocates, which I don't really have.  I try not to speak with too much authority about things I know little about, which is why I was silent on Le Pen.

[© tweed]

Kim Jong is easily the most dangerous, because he's in a postion of power, which the other three can't claim.  As for most insane, it's pretty close between Le Pen and Il, but I voted Le Pen because I know more about his specific positions on issues.  Robertson has devolved into a rambling idiot, but Moore is much more coherent than Robertson.  Moore has the capability to process thought and debate, even if he's hanging on the fringe.

[J. J.]

Don't confuse sanity with intelligence.

Got it Dr. Freud.  Actually, I'm wondering why Vorlon would be slumming like this.  This is the sort of Straw Poll I'd expect from several posters, but's this is surprising.  Bad day at the office, I'd guess. 

My point is that that Robertson is a moron.  Moore is not particularly bright.  Le Pen is racist a**hole, who's not bright either.  Kim is nuts.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Kim Jong-Il is certainly the most dangerous of that group.

Michael Moore is dangerous to the extent that anybody listens to him.  Some stupid people do, but enough reject him to make him less dangerous than the leader of a rogue nation.

Pat Robertson is more or less a gasbag, and I don't think too many people take him seriously.

That post I agree with in toto.  Care to comment on Jean Marie Le Pen?  Remember, he was the traditionalist who finished second behind Jacques Chirac in 2003, but ahead of Lionel Jospin, the Leftist-Socialist, in the presidential race.  (neither americans nor french like to admit that our governments are much more alike in structure than either are like its neighbors.  this, too, I blame on the schools)  Le Pen makes Ralph Reed look like a veritable saint.  He's the xenophobic, chauvinistic (okay, I know those two adjectives are redundant, since we already said he was French), French nationalist-traditionalist who advocated a more rightist economic policy, stricter immigration policy, and a control and ID policy for muslims that would make Alolf Eichman and Josef Goebels proud. 

Or did you leave him out deliberately?  You GOP-fascist-capitalist pig. 

My knowledge of Le Pen is very superficial.  I know that he's a French right-winger who got about 20% of the vote in a multi-candidate contest for the French presidency.  He's been called a fascist, but leftists call anybody they don't like fascist, so I don't know if it's really true without independent knowledge of the policies he advocates, which I don't really have.  I try not to speak with too much authority about things I know little about, which is why I was silent on Le Pen.

Le Pen has called the Holocaust a minor detail of history and has made the claim that Chirac is in the pocket of some shadowy Jewish groups. His supporters have also spraypainted swastikas in Jewish cemetaries. Yes, he's a fcking fascist.