1 Payer Megathread - Sanders discusses on MTP - Likely to run as Indy in 2018

[SoLongAtlas]

Shadows, it's already started...

"David Merritt, an executive vice president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, a lobby for insurers, said: “Whether it’s called single-payer or Medicare for all, government-controlled health care cannot work. It will eliminate choice, undermine quality, put a chill on medical innovation and place an even heavier burden on hard-working taxpayers.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/health-care-obamacare-single-payer-graham-cassidy.html

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Pelosi continues to stand against the Sanders Socialist Scheme: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/12/bernie-sanders-single-payer-no-support-pelosi-242597

[Shadows]

Shadows, it's already started...

"David Merritt, an executive vice president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, a lobby for insurers, said: “Whether it’s called single-payer or Medicare for all, government-controlled health care cannot work. It will eliminate choice, undermine quality, put a chill on medical innovation and place an even heavier burden on hard-working taxpayers.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/health-care-obamacare-single-payer-graham-cassidy.html

Yea & no-one cares. Ofourse the Entire Insurance industry which is price gouging people will be against it, which is why this will be framed as a battle of Lobbyists, Special Interests, Super pacs, Insurance Industry vs Dems who want healthcare as a right for orindary people. Like Sanders (who takes 0$ from Super pacs) ran with this message in the Dem primary. This is why Reagan was successful. He could set the context & message.

Republicans have already run the Socialized Medicine, Government takeover thing with ACA. The ACA with the flaws & GOP attack ads sank & swam back up to positive rating after people slowly realized the GOP BS. It is now an entitlement & almost impossible to take off. The Republicans had a vote to repeal healthcare of millions with a deeply unpopular bill. Their effort of saying "This is the REAL Actual Government takeover" & they were only bluffing last time is comical at best. You cry the wolves so many times & after a while no-one cares.

[publicunofficial]

Confirmed: The Sanders bill repeals the Hyde Amendment

[publicunofficial]

Shadows, it's already started...

"David Merritt, an executive vice president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, a lobby for insurers, said: “Whether it’s called single-payer or Medicare for all, government-controlled health care cannot work. It will eliminate choice, undermine quality, put a chill on medical innovation and place an even heavier burden on hard-working taxpayers.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/health-care-obamacare-single-payer-graham-cassidy.html

Wow I was all for single payer until I heard that the lobby that represents an industry I think shouldn't exist told me it's a bad idea.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Confirmed: The Sanders bill repeals the Hyde Amendment

Boo

[SoLongAtlas]

Shadows, it's already started...

"David Merritt, an executive vice president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, a lobby for insurers, said: “Whether it’s called single-payer or Medicare for all, government-controlled health care cannot work. It will eliminate choice, undermine quality, put a chill on medical innovation and place an even heavier burden on hard-working taxpayers.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/health-care-obamacare-single-payer-graham-cassidy.html

Wow I was all for single payer until I heard that the lobby that represents an industry I think shouldn't exist told me it's a bad idea.

Well I don't agree with the lobby. It's just the fact that the fight will be extremely tough that I'm pointing out with that quote.

[publicunofficial]

Shadows, it's already started...

"David Merritt, an executive vice president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, a lobby for insurers, said: “Whether it’s called single-payer or Medicare for all, government-controlled health care cannot work. It will eliminate choice, undermine quality, put a chill on medical innovation and place an even heavier burden on hard-working taxpayers.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/health-care-obamacare-single-payer-graham-cassidy.html

Wow I was all for single payer until I heard that the lobby that represents an industry I think shouldn't exist told me it's a bad idea.

Well I don't agree with the lobby. It's just the fact that the fight will be extremely tough that I'm pointing out with that quote.

All the best legislation is extremely tough to pass. It's the terrible legislation that passes easily and with bipartisan support.

[Shadows]

Shadows, it's already started...

"David Merritt, an executive vice president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, a lobby for insurers, said: “Whether it’s called single-payer or Medicare for all, government-controlled health care cannot work. It will eliminate choice, undermine quality, put a chill on medical innovation and place an even heavier burden on hard-working taxpayers.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/health-care-obamacare-single-payer-graham-cassidy.html

Wow I was all for single payer until I heard that the lobby that represents an industry I think shouldn't exist told me it's a bad idea.

Well I don't agree with the lobby. It's just the fact that the fight will be extremely tough that I'm pointing out with that quote.

It will be the hardest fight possible for a big legislation.

[publicunofficial]

Confirmed: The Sanders bill repeals the Hyde Amendment

Boo

You can't have the Hyde amendment in a single payer system, it just doesn't mesh.

[Don Vito Corleone]

Feel free to move left, Democrats. Your suburban gains will be gone in a flash. Do they genuinely believe this will play well with upper middle class voters they've been courting? Those are the individuals this would hurt the most with the increased tax burden.

That's really not how political coalitions work. If people never voted against their own interests then places like Westchester County (where I live) would never have voted for Clinton, and West Virginia, being one of the states which would be hurt the most be repealing Obamacare, would never have voted for Trump.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Confirmed: The Sanders bill repeals the Hyde Amendment

Boo

You can't have the Hyde amendment in a single payer system, it just doesn't mesh.

Well, you could make Abortion an uninsurable service aside from the current 3 exceptions (rape, incest, life of the mother), but obviously Sanders wouldn't do that in his version because he's about as far left on Abortion as you can possibly get.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Feel free to move left, Democrats. Your suburban gains will be gone in a flash. Do they genuinely believe this will play well with upper middle class voters they've been courting? Those are the individuals this would hurt the most with the increased tax burden.

Upper middle-class suburban voters?  You mean the ones that got Hillary elected president?

[Roblox]

Feel free to move left, Democrats. Your suburban gains will be gone in a flash. Do they genuinely believe this will play well with upper middle class voters they've been courting? Those are the individuals this would hurt the most with the increased tax burden.

Upper middle-class suburban voters?  You mean the ones that got Hillary elected president?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Confirmed: The Sanders bill repeals the Hyde Amendment

Boo

You can't have the Hyde amendment in a single payer system, it just doesn't mesh.

Why so?

[brucejoel99]

Confirmed: The Sanders bill repeals the Hyde Amendment

Boo

You can't have the Hyde amendment in a single payer system, it just doesn't mesh.

Why so?

Well, for one thing, if most people were to move off their private insurance plans & onto a publicly-run plan b/c a bill like this passed, but Hyde wasn’t repealed, then millions of people would be moved off of private insurance plans that currently cover abortion & onto a federal plan that can't. So, while not technically making abortion illegal, it wouldn't be funded by Medicare for All if the Hyde Amendment stuck around.

Hypothetically, if Medicare for All were to pass & you need an abortion, you'd have to come up w/ the money out of your own pocket, meaning abortion may become prohibitively expensive for those who may need it: basically, you may have a constitutional right to choose, but that right doesn't mean much if the Hyde Amendment denies you the ability to afford an abortion.

Medicare for All w/ a Hyde Amendment repeal ensures that women would have comprehensive coverage for reproductive healthcare services... & yes, that includes abortion.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Pelosi continues to stand against the Sanders Socialist Scheme: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/12/bernie-sanders-single-payer-no-support-pelosi-242597

Hope she resigns in disgrace. Or better yet booted out by the voters.

[TheSaint250]

Pelosi continues to stand against the Sanders Socialist Scheme: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/12/bernie-sanders-single-payer-no-support-pelosi-242597

Hope she resigns in disgrace. Or better yet booted out by the voters.

Bernie's just as confused as I am.  Not gonna happen.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Confirmed: The Sanders bill repeals the Hyde Amendment

Boo

You can't have the Hyde amendment in a single payer system, it just doesn't mesh.

Why so?

Well, for one thing, if most people were to move off their private insurance plans & onto a publicly-run plan b/c a bill like this passed, but Hyde wasn’t repealed, then millions of people would be moved off of private insurance plans that currently cover abortion & onto a federal plan that can't. So, while not technically making abortion illegal, it wouldn't be funded by Medicare for All if the Hyde Amendment stuck around.

Hypothetically, if Medicare for All were to pass & you need an abortion, you'd have to come up w/ the money out of your own pocket, meaning abortion may become prohibitively expensive for those who may need it: basically, you may have a constitutional right to choose, but that right doesn't mean much if the Hyde Amendment denies you the ability to afford an abortion.

Medicare for All w/ a Hyde Amendment repeal ensures that women would have comprehensive coverage for reproductive healthcare services... & yes, that includes abortion.

I could understand why abortion in case of the two exceptions would be comprehensive coverage, but in my opinion the government has no obligation to pay for abortion-on-demand for poor people. The government has zero obligation to pay for abortion on demand for anyone. The government does have some obligation to pay for child rearing by the poor.  Any single payer system would need to cover this some way or another. Anything less than that is akin to throwing the poor under the bus.

[politics_king]

I think realistically in the current political climate, you would be able to pass Debt-Free College tuition and the Public Option for Healthcare. Too much business interest and lobbying to overturn it, something catastrophic would have to happen to go to the extreme. Cutting down the U.S. debt is still a big concern to most voters especially independent ones, get the budget in order, the debt ceiling is just a political device to rally the right. What needs to be done is pay down the debt and cut the fat from bloated federal programs. The military budget needs a drastic cut and that's for armory which the Pentagon even said needs cutting, but people are afraid of the boogeyman. No one wants to step-up to our military, they don't.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Pelosi continues to stand against the Sanders Socialist Scheme: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/12/bernie-sanders-single-payer-no-support-pelosi-242597

Hope she resigns in disgrace. Or better yet booted out by the voters.

Bernie's just as confused as I am.  Not gonna happen.

You have no idea how angry the left is at the current Democratic establishment. This Forum is going to be blown away by next year's primary results.

[publicunofficial]

The bill covers dental as well!

[TheSaint250]

Pelosi continues to stand against the Sanders Socialist Scheme: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/12/bernie-sanders-single-payer-no-support-pelosi-242597

Hope she resigns in disgrace. Or better yet booted out by the voters.

Bernie's just as confused as I am.  Not gonna happen.

You have no idea how angry the left is at the current Democratic establishment. This Forum is going to be blown away by next year's primary results.

Pelosi isn't gonna lose. There isn't some big progressive wave coming.

[Yank2133]

Pelosi continues to stand against the Sanders Socialist Scheme: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/12/bernie-sanders-single-payer-no-support-pelosi-242597

Hope she resigns in disgrace. Or better yet booted out by the voters.

Bernie's just as confused as I am.  Not gonna happen.

You have no idea how angry the left is at the current Democratic establishment. This Forum is going to be blown away by next year's primary results.

Pelosi isn't gonna lose. There isn't some big progressive wave coming.

Yup.

Progressives don't want to hear it, but it is the truth.

[Shadows]

The good thing is that it is ultimate goal but if I were President I would put a small 50$ co-payment etc to prevent un-necessary usage & would take out eye, dental & abortion services. Maybe increase the funding for Planned Parenthood, don't make the Single Payer bill divisive.

The small copayment apart from driving un-necessary spending will also raise some money & decrease the taxes required. Bernie has already proposed the funding 16T $ new funding required for an overall 30T funding which is required (Existing medicare/medicaid/ACA funding will supplement this amount).

It is good the start with a goal, an idealistic end product & then compromise. You can moderate the bill to get support of "Centrist" Dems if 2020 is a wave election. But you must start with a strong bargaining position.