Would Rick Santorum losing his seat be good for American Democracy?
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« on: August 15, 2005, 09:16:02 AM »
« edited: August 15, 2005, 09:23:36 AM by MissCatholic »

Rick Santorum is the biggest nut in the Republican Party. If i was Al-Jazeera i would put him on television everytime he opens his mouth to show to fundamental muslims that Fundamental Christians do get elected.

Extreme Muslims will be happy to listen to Rick Santorums extreme Christian views. They would welcome it. They agree that women have no right to earn the same amount of money as men. They agree that the best place for a women is at home not at work. They agree that a women sleeping with a women is as bad as a women sleeping with her dog. They agree that a women has no right to make personal choices in her life. They agree with Rick Santorum that secularism is destroying the planet. They agree with Rick Santorum that going to church is a necessity.

You see Americas complain about these extreme muslims that kill our brave young ones. Yet we have one in our very own country elected from Pennslyvania (thanks jake, supersoulty,keystone phil). So what are we going to do about it?

Republicans yet again are going to join Dorothy and play the double standards game and try and re-elect a man who does not oppose blowing up abortion clinics. Fundamental Christian Terrorism has its representatives.

The world no-longer needs to go and find the KKK. They have Rick Santorum.

It would be GREAT for American democracy to kick this guy out of office. He provokes people that want to do harm to those that they disagree with. His re-election will give them a huge boast in their crusade against anything not Christian.
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2005, 09:28:04 AM »

Depends on who takes his place. Certainly there are more competent people who could be in his seat, but there are less competent people as well.
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2005, 09:30:28 AM »

Depends on who takes his place. Certainly there are more competent people who could be in his seat, but there are less competent people as well.

am i over-exaggerating Rick Santorums extremism or is he really a nut within the Republican party?
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2005, 09:31:21 AM »

Yes, the party in power should lose it every so often; the Democrats need at least one of the senate or house in 2006 if democracy is to be furthered, and Santorum losing his seat would lead towards this aim.

I'd be saying a similar thing if the Democrats controlled the white house and both chambers, but I don't think i'd be singling out any particular people. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2005, 09:36:09 AM »

Depends on who takes his place. Certainly there are more competent people who could be in his seat, but there are less competent people as well.

am i over-exaggerating Rick Santorums extremism or is he really a nut within the Republican party?

Santorum is a great person, His ideas are for the good of mankind (but not womankind Tongue)
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2005, 09:45:04 AM »

Depends on who takes his place. Certainly there are more competent people who could be in his seat, but there are less competent people as well.

am i over-exaggerating Rick Santorums extremism or is he really a nut within the Republican party?

Oh, he's a nut, but all I'm saying is that if he's replaced by a worse nut then it isn't good. You can't say 'if he loses his seat it would be good' considering that if he lost his seat to, say, a person who is secretly a Nazi and and a KKK member then you are worse off.
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2005, 09:46:24 AM »

Depends on who takes his place. Certainly there are more competent people who could be in his seat, but there are less competent people as well.

am i over-exaggerating Rick Santorums extremism or is he really a nut within the Republican party?

Oh, he's a nut, but all I'm saying is that if he's replaced by a worse nut then it isn't good. You can't say 'if he loses his seat it would be good' considering that if he lost his seat to, say, a person who is secretly a Nazi and and a KKK member then you are worse off.

Robert Byrd is moving to Pennsylvania?  Who knew!
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2005, 10:07:28 AM »


 if he lost his seat to, say, a person who is secretly a Nazi and and a KKK member then you are worse off.

Robert Byrd is moving to Pennsylvania?  Who knew!

ba-da-boom.  good call.

my thought too is that there isn't enough information given to answer Yes or No, since you'd have to know who replaces him since campaign losses don't happen in a vacuum.  Santorum losing doesn't mean there'd then be 99 senators, just a different 100 senators.

Still, Santorum strikes me as one of the more hardworking, honest and ethical members of the US senate.  I agree with his vote on probably half or less of all issues, but I do admire his style and determination and integrity.  And the evidence is, so far, that the good people of Pennsylvania do as well.

And on that note, I'm outta here.  See you after I get back from Saint Louis.
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2005, 10:14:12 AM »

Rick Santorum is the biggest nut in the Republican Party. If i was Al-Jazeera i would put him on television everytime he opens his mouth to show to fundamental muslims that Fundamental Christians do get elected.

Extreme Muslims will be happy to listen to Rick Santorums extreme Christian views. They would welcome it. They agree that women have no right to earn the same amount of money as men. They agree that the best place for a women is at home not at work. They agree that a women sleeping with a women is as bad as a women sleeping with her dog. They agree that a women has no right to make personal choices in her life. They agree with Rick Santorum that secularism is destroying the planet. They agree with Rick Santorum that going to church is a necessity.

You see Americas complain about these extreme muslims that kill our brave young ones. Yet we have one in our very own country elected from Pennslyvania (thanks jake, supersoulty,keystone phil). So what are we going to do about it?

Republicans yet again are going to join Dorothy and play the double standards game and try and re-elect a man who does not oppose blowing up abortion clinics. Fundamental Christian Terrorism has its representatives.

The world no-longer needs to go and find the KKK. They have Rick Santorum.

It would be GREAT for American democracy to kick this guy out of office. He provokes people that want to do harm to those that they disagree with. His re-election will give them a huge boast in their crusade against anything not Christian.

I think you're going a little far by comparing him to the KKK, but I do agree he way too far to the right, at least for Pennsylvania.  I wouldn't be sure if he is the biggest nut in the Republican Party, since one could make a strong case for Marilyn Musgrave, Ann Coulter, Rush L., and Tom Coburn.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2005, 10:33:00 AM »

am i over-exaggerating Rick Santorums extremism or is he really a nut within the Republican party?

Yes, and yes.
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2005, 10:42:03 AM »

Oh, he's a nut, but all I'm saying is that if he's replaced by a worse nut then it isn't good.

I don't think there's a worse nut in the state of Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2005, 10:43:28 AM »

Oh, he's a nut, but all I'm saying is that if he's replaced by a worse nut then it isn't good.

I don't think there's a worse nut in the state of Pennsylvania.

Easy to say, but I find that there's always a bigger idiot.
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2005, 11:55:12 AM »
« Edited: August 15, 2005, 12:18:46 PM by Giant Saguaro »

Santorum's problem is that he's not in a GOP state, which makes me personally admire him all the more because he says what he thinks and he isn't ashamed to say he lets his faith guide him. To me it's highly questionable and hypocritical for one to ADVERTISE his/her faith and then turn around and act like it offends him/her. Santorum doesn't do that. Still, I'd say there are a number of issues I do not agree with him on.

I don't think he's a nut, but then I'm closer to where he is than I am the people who I think are nuts on the Democrat end - namely Jim McDermott, Dennis Kucinich, and probably a few others - but they're largely in democratic socialist areas in liberal cities, so you can take what they say and file it under 'notes from the nuthouse' and no one in their areas really bats an eye. Little bit of relativity to being a political nut.
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2005, 11:55:19 AM »

Oh, he's a nut, but all I'm saying is that if he's replaced by a worse nut then it isn't good.

I don't think there's a worse nut in the state of Pennsylvania.

Easy to say, but I find that there's always a bigger idiot.
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2005, 12:00:01 PM »


Good one, but I don't think Terrell Owens is a permanent Pennsylvania resident. He's from Alabama, so maybe he can run for office there.
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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2005, 12:27:02 PM »

No. How the helll would it affect Democracy it's self. That's like saying "Would electing Bob Dole have be bad for American democracy."
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2005, 12:32:23 PM »

Oh, he's a nut, but all I'm saying is that if he's replaced by a worse nut then it isn't good.

I don't think there's a worse nut in the state of Pennsylvania.

What about that Pat Toomey guy?  Is he worse?
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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2005, 01:59:59 PM »

Oh, he's a nut, but all I'm saying is that if he's replaced by a worse nut then it isn't good.

I don't think there's a worse nut in the state of Pennsylvania.

What about that Pat Toomey guy?  Is he worse?

Not as bad on the religious aspect, but economically yeah, he is borderline pro-feudalism whereas Santorum is a bit more populist, but not by much.
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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2005, 02:05:32 PM »


 if he lost his seat to, say, a person who is secretly a Nazi and and a KKK member then you are worse off.

Robert Byrd is moving to Pennsylvania?  Who knew!

ba-da-boom.  good call.

my thought too is that there isn't enough information given to answer Yes or No, since you'd have to know who replaces him since campaign losses don't happen in a vacuum.  Santorum losing doesn't mean there'd then be 99 senators, just a different 100 senators.

Still, Santorum strikes me as one of the more hardworking, honest and ethical members of the US senate.  I agree with his vote on probably half or less of all issues, but I do admire his style and determination and integrity.  And the evidence is, so far, that the good people of Pennsylvania do as well.

And on that note, I'm outta here.  See you after I get back from Saint Louis.

Funny I was reading his book (didn't wanna buy it) at Barnes and Noble and there are a few things I actually agree with him on.  Things like it's better to have two parents raising a child instead of having single parents is a good concept, but most of what I do agree with him on are no brainers.  It seems he has noble causes, but I think he is in lala land on how to get there.  He somehow thinks everyone can just pick up their own bootstraps and form a family business and just accumulate assets so they don't have to worry about money.  I don't agree with him nor about 98% of his votes.  Therefore I do think it's better for democracy that he is removed from office and will be working very hard in 2006 to ensure that is the case!
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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2005, 03:37:28 PM »

Well, uh... it would be good for democracy if he lost his seat because Pennsylvanian voters wanted him gone, and it would be good for democracy if he kept his seat because Pennsylvanian voters wanted to keep him.

I really don't see what relevance him keeping or losing his seat has to do with democracy itself.
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2005, 04:25:02 PM »

I really don't see what relevance him keeping or losing his seat has to do with democracy itself.

Take a look at who started this thread and you'll realize how pointless it is.
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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2005, 04:33:18 PM »

I really don't see what relevance him keeping or losing his seat has to do with democracy itself.

Take a look at who started this thread and you'll realize how pointless it is.

Yeah, but I don't even really understand the question.
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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2005, 11:22:10 PM »

Will it be good for America if Pennsylvanians re-elect Senator Santorum and maybe quiet down the Santorum haters alitte? Absolutely.

If Santorum wins, all I ask from those that despise the man is that the come to accept one thing: This man is not out of step with this state.

People already like him and if he wins next year that should put an end to this "He's out of step with PA" stuff that Democrats across the nation throw around. Discuss whatever you want about the guy but do me a favor and accept the fact that Pennsylvanians really do like their Junior United States Senator.
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2005, 11:23:45 PM »

It would simply be American Democracy, not good or bad.
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2005, 11:24:40 PM »

It would simply be American Democracy, not good or bad.

No, I'm sorry, but it's bad for democracy when the people are able to elect who they want. Tongue
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