How would you vote in these Southern Dems vs GOP runner ups elections since 1976

[OSR stands with Israel]

George Wallace the guy who supported segregation

Ronald Reagan made his "states' rights" speech at the Neshoba County Fair in 1980, years after George Wallace disavowed segregation.

Which doesn't have to mean it's about race issues . States rights is in the constitution and he always talked about how the Feds took power away from the states and the pepole.

[TheSaint250]

Reagan is far better than Wallace by a million miles.

[Kingpoleon]

In these elections Im choosing a southerner who ran in the dem primary but didnt get the nomination.If no other southern ran I will chose the southern dem who won or the most powerful southern dem in congress(in case there was not even one southern dem who ran). If you dislike both candidates vote for who you think is the lesser of two evils

1976: Reagan vs George Wallace
1980: Bush vs Carter(no other southern dem who was a runner up)
1984: Reagan(no runner up) vs Ernest Hollings
1988: Dole vs Al Gore
1992: Buchanan vs Douglas Wilder
1996: Buchanan vs Clinton
2000: McCain vs Gore
2004: Bush vs  Edwards
2008: Huckabee vs Edwards
2012: Santorum vs Landrieu
2016: Cruz vs Webb


these are my votes:

1976: Reagan
1980: Bush
1984: Reagan
1988: Dole
1992: Wilder
1996: Clinton
2000: McCain
2004: Bush
2008: Huckabee
2012: Landrieu
2016: Webb

1976: Ronald Reagan*
1980: George Bush
1984: Ronald Reagan*
1988: Al Gore**
1992: Douglas Wilder
1996: Pat Buchanan*
2000: McCain
2004: George W. Bush*
2008: Mike Huckabee*
2012: Mary Landrieu
2016: Jim Webb

*Would prefer third party; 3/5 of these votes is because I don't want to vote for a rapist or someone who cheated on his dying wife
**I like 1988 Gore and Dole, but not Gore's positions in 2000

[RINO Tom]

1976: Wallace
1980: Carter
1984: Hollings
1988: Gore
1992: Buchanan
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Bush
2008: Huckabee
2012: Landrieu
2016: Webb

I thought I remembered you as somewhat of a moderate Republican, especially on social issues.  Given the Southern Democrat love, was I mistaken?  LOL.

This is mostly a function of the Republican runners-up being awful and my unusual infatuation with Jimmy Carter.   Bob Dole and John McCain are some of my least favorite Republican politicians, and Santorum and Cruz are rather detestable as well. 

I'm curious as to why the hate for Dole particularly.

The South and Midwest (especially Great Plains) have always competed over agricultural interests.  Even though both of these regions today are mostly GOP, the tension remains.  Bob Dole was pretty much the modern manifestation of Alf Landon-style Great Plains conservatism, and John McCain actually draws more from this school of Republican orthodoxy than the Bush/Rockefeller Northeastern Establishment or the "New South" Firebrands like Trent Lott or Saxby Chambliss.   

Care to define Alf Landon conservatism and explain its repugnance?

Not sure I'd be able to explain it very intelligently, but I knew exactly what he meant.  The Midwest (especially the Plains) has seemed to be the traditional home of post-1800s American conservatism, and I think it's maintained a more business-oriented, "dignified" approach to conservatism than (as Del accurately put it) the more "firebrand" style of Southern conservatives.  Kind of like porn ... you know it when you see it?

[Lechasseur]

1976: Wallace
1980: Carter
1984: Hollings
1988: Gore
1992: Buchanan
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Bush
2008: Huckabee
2012: Landrieu
2016: Webb

I thought I remembered you as somewhat of a moderate Republican, especially on social issues.  Given the Southern Democrat love, was I mistaken?  LOL.

This is mostly a function of the Republican runners-up being awful and my unusual infatuation with Jimmy Carter.   Bob Dole and John McCain are some of my least favorite Republican politicians, and Santorum and Cruz are rather detestable as well. 

Santorum, although I don't think he's presidential material I think is a good guy who's right on quite a few things. I absolutely agree though: I also like Jimmy Carter although his foreign policy wasn't too good, and I really do not like Dole, McCain and Cruz, as you said they're among my least favourite Republicans.

[SATW]

1976: Reagan vs George Wallace
1980: Bush vs Carter
1984: Reagan vs Ernest Hollings
1988: Dole vs Al Gore
1992: Buchanan vs Douglas Wilder
1996: Buchanan vs Clinton
2000: McCain vs Gore
2004: Bush vs  Edwards
2008: Huckabee vs Edwards
2012: Santorum vs Landrieu
2016: Cruz vs Webb

[Del Tachi]

1976: Wallace
1980: Carter
1984: Hollings
1988: Gore
1992: Buchanan
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Bush
2008: Huckabee
2012: Landrieu
2016: Webb

I thought I remembered you as somewhat of a moderate Republican, especially on social issues.  Given the Southern Democrat love, was I mistaken?  LOL.

This is mostly a function of the Republican runners-up being awful and my unusual infatuation with Jimmy Carter.   Bob Dole and John McCain are some of my least favorite Republican politicians, and Santorum and Cruz are rather detestable as well. 

I'm curious as to why the hate for Dole particularly.

The South and Midwest (especially Great Plains) have always competed over agricultural interests.  Even though both of these regions today are mostly GOP, the tension remains.  Bob Dole was pretty much the modern manifestation of Alf Landon-style Great Plains conservatism, and John McCain actually draws more from this school of Republican orthodoxy than the Bush/Rockefeller Northeastern Establishment or the "New South" Firebrands like Trent Lott or Saxby Chambliss.   

Care to define Alf Landon conservatism and explain its repugnance?

Not sure I'd be able to explain it very intelligently, but I knew exactly what he meant.  The Midwest (especially the Plains) has seemed to be the traditional home of post-1800s American conservatism, and I think it's maintained a more business-oriented, "dignified" approach to conservatism than (as Del accurately put it) the more "firebrand" style of Southern conservatives.  Kind of like porn ... you know it when you see it?

Woah now, let's not take that Midwestern Republicanism is more "dignified" as a political axiom

To go into more differentiation on Southern vs. Midwestern Republicanism, I think you just need to look into the historical issues that brought each region into the GOP.  In addition to its anti-slavery platforms, the early GOP was very supportive of economic initiatives especially beneficial to the Great Plains during the mid-19th century:  homesteading, the Transcontinental Railroad, land-grant universities, etc.  All of these issues represented what was, at the time, a very progressive platform.  The South was very much against these same initiatives, mostly because the agricultural communities  in the two regions were starkly different:  the Midwest was dominated by small farmers who owned their own land and saw these improvements as a way to improve their economic competitiveness, whereas the majority of farm labor in the South was provided by slaves (and later sharecroppers and tenant farmers) employed by a small landholding gentry who saw the same improvements as threats to the continuation of the economic and social hegemony they enjoyed.

The end of the Democrats in the South was a direct result of the collapse of this agricultural system set into motion during the Great Depression by new government programs and increasing automation.  Increasing automation greatly reduced the labor-intensity of production agriculture and pushed farm labor into new, more urban professions.  In this new setting, the old sharecroppers were able to buy homes and become the foundation of the New South's "ownership society".  Additionally, displaced Black farm labor was also pushed into more urban professions that brought them more physically and economically proximate to White Southerners (thus allowing the Civil Rights movement to catch fire).  These two factors made the South ripe for a Republican Party pushing for a conservative message of low taxes and state's rights - in some ways the ideological opposite of the GOP's Midwestern "egalitarian progressivism" a century earlier.

Above all, I think this is a great example of how political parties primarily function in the United States to unite a broad, diffuse set of interests for the sake of winning national elections - not for promoting some ideologically consistent political theory or philosophy.  Thus, the Republican Party in the 20th Century is the story of three united yet competing nuclei:  Midwestern Progressives, the Northeastern establishment and the "New South" conservative reformers.  However, this is probably a bit of an historical anachronism today as American politics is no longer as regional as it once was and these "nuceli" have been replaced with a generic "Red State/Blue State" cultural and political dichotomy.  Makes for a 21st century political scene that's a lot less interesting, at least from an academic or historical standpoint anyway.   

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Fascinating. That does very much match up with mid-century descriptions of, say, Kansas Republicans (particularly their liberal or progressive Governors), as well as such examples of Kassebaum and the conservative, yet nowhere-near-purist Dole. I had somewhat suspected this greater "egalitarianism" to be one of the differences between the rural Midwestern and the Southern Republicanism, and you confirmed it. Regardless, I'm still a fan of Dole, though I can see why he might be anathema to your interests.

While we're on the topic, how would you characterize northeastern, "establishment" Republicanism in contrast to these? In one account of the Civil War, northeastern Republicans were described as being more conservative than their Western counterparts (and, as well, the natural inheritors of Federalist/Whig conservatism--including favor for northern industry and business). This, obviously, changed at some point. Rick Perlstein's brief account of Republican history described Midwestern (though, in this case, meaning, say, Ohioan) Republicanism as growing to the right of their Northeastern counterparts by mid-20th century.

[RINO Tom]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

The Midwest has not been a historically conservative region , most of the conservatives Uptil 1994 came from the Western States or the northeast . Only state from Mideast that I would say has had notable conservatives were from Ohio

[RINO Tom]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

The Midwest has not been a historically conservative region , most of the conservatives Uptil 1994 came from the Western States or the northeast . Only state from Mideast that I would say has had notable conservatives were from Ohio

What?!  FDR's strongest opposition was from the Plains.  It was the first region to totally turn on the New Deal.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

The Midwest has not been a historically conservative region , most of the conservatives Uptil 1994 came from the Western States or the northeast . Only state from Mideast that I would say has had notable conservatives were from Ohio

What?!  FDR's strongest opposition was from the Plains.  It was the first region to totally turn on the New Deal.

You may be dealing with different definitions here.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

The Midwest has not been a historically conservative region , most of the conservatives Uptil 1994 came from the Western States or the northeast . Only state from Mideast that I would say has had notable conservatives were from Ohio

What?!  FDR's strongest opposition was from the Plains.  It was the first region to totally turn on the New Deal.

not midwest

[Santander]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

The Midwest has not been a historically conservative region , most of the conservatives Uptil 1994 came from the Western States or the northeast . Only state from Mideast that I would say has had notable conservatives were from Ohio

What?!  FDR's strongest opposition was from the Plains.  It was the first region to totally turn on the New Deal.

not midwest

Go to Nebraska and say that. See what people tell you.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

The Midwest has not been a historically conservative region , most of the conservatives Uptil 1994 came from the Western States or the northeast . Only state from Mideast that I would say has had notable conservatives were from Ohio

What?!  FDR's strongest opposition was from the Plains.  It was the first region to totally turn on the New Deal.

not midwest

Does your phone not automatically capitalize the first word of a sentence for you?

[RINO Tom]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

The Midwest has not been a historically conservative region , most of the conservatives Uptil 1994 came from the Western States or the northeast . Only state from Mideast that I would say has had notable conservatives were from Ohio

What?!  FDR's strongest opposition was from the Plains.  It was the first region to totally turn on the New Deal.

not midwest

Does your phone not automatically capitalize the first word of a sentence for you?

LOL, I mean ... he probably uses a computer.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

The Midwest has not been a historically conservative region , most of the conservatives Uptil 1994 came from the Western States or the northeast . Only state from Mideast that I would say has had notable conservatives were from Ohio

What?!  FDR's strongest opposition was from the Plains.  It was the first region to totally turn on the New Deal.

not midwest

Does your phone not automatically capitalize the first word of a sentence for you?

LOL, I mean ... he probably uses a computer.

His excuse for his multitude of typos was that he was typing on mobile.

[RINO Tom]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

The Midwest has not been a historically conservative region , most of the conservatives Uptil 1994 came from the Western States or the northeast . Only state from Mideast that I would say has had notable conservatives were from Ohio

What?!  FDR's strongest opposition was from the Plains.  It was the first region to totally turn on the New Deal.

not midwest

Does your phone not automatically capitalize the first word of a sentence for you?

LOL, I mean ... he probably uses a computer.

His excuse for his multitude of typos was that he was typing on mobile.

Hahaha, seriously?  He reminds me of my buddy with huge hands that can't text for shlt, and we have all just gotten used to it.

Anyway, the poster in question has WAY more grammatical problems than simple typos, unfortunately.

[Lechasseur]

1976: George Wallace
1980: Jimmy Carter
1984: Ernest Hollings
1988: Al Gore
1992: Pat Buchanan
1996: Pat Buchanan
2000: Al Gore
2004: George W. Bush
2008: Mike Huckabee
2012: Rick Santorum
2016: Jim Webb

[OSR stands with Israel]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

The Midwest has not been a historically conservative region , most of the conservatives Uptil 1994 came from the Western States or the northeast . Only state from Mideast that I would say has had notable conservatives were from Ohio

What?!  FDR's strongest opposition was from the Plains.  It was the first region to totally turn on the New Deal.

not midwest

Does your phone not automatically capitalize the first word of a sentence for you?

Again I'm posting on a forum not writing my own blog .

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

The Midwest has not been a historically conservative region , most of the conservatives Uptil 1994 came from the Western States or the northeast . Only state from Mideast that I would say has had notable conservatives were from Ohio

What?!  FDR's strongest opposition was from the Plains.  It was the first region to totally turn on the New Deal.

not midwest

Does your phone not automatically capitalize the first word of a sentence for you?

Again I'm posting on a forum not writing my own blog .

So do you disable the automatic caps, or...?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Del, I didn't mean to say that Midwesterners WERE more "dignified" in their conservatism, just that maybe they fancied themselves so.

The Midwest has not been a historically conservative region , most of the conservatives Uptil 1994 came from the Western States or the northeast . Only state from Mideast that I would say has had notable conservatives were from Ohio

What?!  FDR's strongest opposition was from the Plains.  It was the first region to totally turn on the New Deal.

not midwest

Does your phone not automatically capitalize the first word of a sentence for you?

Again I'm posting on a forum not writing my own blog .

So do you disable the automatic caps, or...?

Maybe by accident I disable it