GA-06 and SC-05 election day & results thread

[Kamala]

Hmm, here are just some of my thoughts.

Sanders clones could could be competitive in conservative rural districts if they move to the center on social issues such as abortion. I think it's ridiculous to assume that what plays well in NYC is gonna play well in South Dakota, simply because the culture war is too prevalent. But many economic messages transced these cultural differences, but most voters won't even listen to a candidate's economic platform when they're a "Hollywood liberal" socially.

I really like the Democrat running against Paul Ryan and his ad. I think it was posted in this thread earlier.

[Beet]

Maybe if the Dems want to flip a seat in GA, they should try for GA-12 (John Barrow's old seat).  That went red in the 2014 GOP tsunami when it was a blue seat for practically a century.

Are demographics shifting there much?

The Dems need to stop obsessing over muh demographics and start obsessing over convincing people with popular messages.

>We shouldn't rely on identity politics
>Brianna Wu 2018

I absolutely dislike Stephen Lynch but Brianna Wu isn't even close to the type of liberal I'd like to see take over his district. Thank God I live in Capuano's district.

What's wrong with Brianna Wu?

[RINO Tom]

At the end of the day, the "populist" Donald Trump Tweeted this at the "neoliberal" Ossoff:

"Democrat Jon Ossoff, who wants to raise your taxes to the highest level and is weak on crime and security, doesn't even live in district."

Rhetoric style be damned, there is no freaking realignment going on.  Republicans across this country - in literally every district - are running with Reaganite stances, and President Trump is on board.

[Deblano]

People think moving further to the left will cause the Democrats to win. HA!

No, you make your message about the issues, not about how Trump sucks. Ossoff came across as a carpetbagging millennial who thinks Stephen Colbert is the funniest guy on Earth and made his campaign about how Trump sucks.

If the Democrats want to win, they should make their campaigns about the ISSUES and focus on what MATTERS, not the President's Twitter account. Moving further to the left just alienates much of the suburban vote and moderates in the party.  

Becoming the freaking Socialist Party reincarnate will give the GOP landslide after landslide in Congressional and even Presidential elections.

This.

The TEA Party had a message, the Democratic Party does not.

[Yank2133]

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The presidential election now has everyone questioning traditional politically thinking. It has now gotten to the point where people are now overthinking things.

[Deblano]

But it's ok for Sanders to raise and spend an obscene amount of money because........reasons.

Your disgust of Bernie bewilders me. Most actual liberals support him by large margins.

Him and Jill Stein are why we have DRUMPF now. ((((((((((((((((((

(sarcasm)

[RINO Tom]

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The presidential election now has everyone questioning traditional politically thinking. It has now gotten to the point where people are now overthinking things.

It's all style, my friend.  Of course they should attack Trump.  However, their style of attacking him from Clinton to Ossoff (acting intellectually above him, appealing to people's *common sense* of opposing such a baffoon and generally condescending attitude that anyone with any pride in themselves would ditch such a trashy party as the GOP) is quite simply not winning enough socially moderate Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, and it's CERTAINLY not winning back any former Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who were turned off by Clinton's campaign.

There is a reason that Pelosi and Schumer are attacking Trump mostly on how his healthcare ideas will remove coverage from vulnerable Americans and how he's out to give tax cuts to the rich ... that's worked for Democrats in the past.  This "reasonable alternative" for "reasonable otherwise-Republicans" has crashed and burned multiple times.  Could a Sanders-type have won GA-6?  Irrelevant ... I don't think any Democrat could win the current GA-6, who cares if it's 4 points or 12?

[Mr. Smith]

People think moving further to the left will cause the Democrats to win. HA!

No, you make your message about the issues, not about how Trump sucks. Ossoff came across as a carpetbagging millennial who thinks Stephen Colbert is the funniest guy on Earth and made his campaign about how Trump sucks.

If the Democrats want to win, they should make their campaigns about the ISSUES and focus on what MATTERS, not the President's Twitter account. Moving further to the left just alienates much of the suburban vote and moderates in the party.  

Becoming the freaking Socialist Party reincarnate will give the GOP landslide after landslide in Congressional and even Presidential elections.

This.

The TEA Party had a message, the Democratic Party does not.

And they moved things unforgivably far-right and alienated a few moderates in the process.

[Yank2133]

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The presidential election now has everyone questioning traditional politically thinking. It has now gotten to the point where people are now overthinking things.

It's all style, my friend.  Of course they should attack Trump.  However, their style of attacking him from Clinton to Ossoff (acting intellectually above him, appealing to people's *common sense* of opposing such a baffoon and generally condescending attitude that anyone with any pride in themselves would ditch such a trashy party as the GOP) is quite simply not winning enough socially moderate Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, and it's CERTAINLY not winning back any former Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who were turned off by Clinton's campaign.

There is a reason that Pelosi and Schumer are attacking Trump mostly on how his healthcare ideas will remove coverage from vulnerable Americans and how he's out to give tax cuts to the rich ... that's worked for Democrats in the past.  This "reasonable alternative" for "reasonable otherwise-Republicans" has crashed and burned multiple times.  Could a Sanders-type have won GA-6?  Irrelevant ... I don't think any Democrat could win the current GA-6, who cares if it's 4 points or 12?

Oh, I agree.

Going after Trump being a terrible person isn't a winning argument to win over moderate Republicans. I do think the party is doing this correctly by going after Trump on broken healthcare promises and the blatant corruption.

Healthcare is an issue that fires up the base and can also win over some Obama-Trump voters and going after Trump's corruption can help them win over independents.

[publicunofficial]

Implying you can't both run a issues campaign AND have the solution to those issues be socialististic in nature.

Democrats need to come up with a comprehensive agenda/manifesto; with REAL detailed policies and not just empty platitudes like "bring back the jobs". Give people a signal that the Democrats learned something from 2016, instead of just hoping that people finally hate Trump enough to hand Congress over to Democrats.

There are millions of people in this country, especially young people and minorities, who are natural voters for the Democrats but will never bother to vote because the party does absof***inglutely nothing for them but still acts like they have a DUTY to vote Dem. Chase these votes instead of the votes of some rich assholes who moved his family into the suburbs the moment he saw a black family move onto the same street as him. These people are the worst in America, and they should stay in the GOP where they belong.

[Mr. Smith]

Implying you can't both run a issues campaign AND have the solution to those issues be socialististic in nature.

Democrats need to come up with a comprehensive agenda/manifesto; with REAL detailed policies and not just empty platitudes like "bring back the jobs". Give people a signal that the Democrats learned something from 2016, instead of just hoping that people finally hate Trump enough to hand Congress over to Democrats.

There are millions of people in this country, especially young people and minorities, who are natural voters for the Democrats but will never bother to vote because the party does absof***inglutely nothing for them but still acts like they have a DUTY to vote Dem. Chase these votes instead of the votes of some rich assholes who moved his family into the suburbs the moment he saw a black family move onto the same street as him. These people are the worst in America, and they should stay in the GOP where they belong.

Exactly.

It's as dumb as the naysayers 40 years ago who didn't believe welfare gutters "chasing Goldwater" could actually win when Ford couldn't and Carter just won and Nixon went out. All it takes is one charismatic guy to say "there you go again" against a less charismatic opponent.

Or more recently, Scott Walker, Paul LePage, and Rick Snyder and even Tom Corbett all flipped blue states in 2010 with none of this moderation bs. Staunchly far-right and unapologetic and they won because they seemed to have the issues down according to voters. They fell rather quickly though in office and it took dog-whistling and incompetent counter campaigns running on similar ideas to Ossoff to get re-elected...well except for Tom Corbett, he got rightfully taken out.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Implying you can't both run a issues campaign AND have the solution to those issues be socialististic in nature.

Democrats need to come up with a comprehensive agenda/manifesto; with REAL detailed policies and not just empty platitudes like "bring back the jobs". Give people a signal that the Democrats learned something from 2016, instead of just hoping that people finally hate Trump enough to hand Congress over to Democrats.

There are millions of people in this country, especially young people and minorities, who are natural voters for the Democrats but will never bother to vote because the party does absof***inglutely nothing for them but still acts like they have a DUTY to vote Dem. Chase these votes instead of the votes of some rich assholes who moved his family into the suburbs the moment he saw a black family move onto the same street as him. These people are the worst in America, and they should stay in the GOP where they belong.

Exactly.

It's as dumb as the naysayers 40 years ago who didn't believe welfare gutters "chasing Goldwater" could actually win when Ford couldn't and Carter just won and Nixon went out. All it takes is one charismatic guy to say "there you go again" against a less charismatic opponent.

Or more recently, Scott Walker, Paul LePage, and Rick Snyder and even Tom Corbett all flipped blue states in 2010 with none of this moderation bs. Staunchly far-right and unapologetic and they won because they seemed to have the issues down according to voters. They fell rather quickly though in office and it took dog-whistling and incompetent counter campaigns running on similar ideas to Ossoff to get re-elected...well except for Tom Corbett, he got rightfully taken out.

Thats not true , by 1979 Reagan was the odds on favorite to win the Republican nomination

Also Reagan was the favorite in the general long before the debate: https://highered.nbclearn.com/portal/site/HigherEd/flatview?cuecard=3252



Who do the dems have that can be Reagan , I dont see anybody they have who can(either too old or no where near as charismatic to win the nomination)

Also remember Reagan came from the governors office not the senate. When you look at who the dems have at the governor bench who can be their Reagan, you cant find any body but Jerry Brown who is way too old to run in 2020.

[Chief Justice Keef]

One of the lessons is that if you're running as a Democrat, whether that be in rural Kansas or suburban Georgia, don't try to negotiate away your stances on left issues. It doesn't matter whether you're soft on abortion or you're in favor of not taxing the rich as much. Republican groups will find no hesitation in placing your face next to Nancy Pelosi, Kathy Griffin and video footage of anarcho-communists storming the streets of Washington, and Republican voters will buy it all hook, line and sinker.

The mission of the Democratic elite to try and attract wary moderate Republicans just boggles me. Not only will they distance themselves from you the second you propose anything left-of-center, they'll stop voting for Democrats once Trump is out of office and go back to being proud supporters of Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush types. The Democratic party's time is better spent trying to energize the left, which is a far larger coalition of voters compared to the #NeverTrump conservatives who will support the horrific policies of the GOP as long as they're not being presented by an uncouth reality TV star. But, of course, trying to turn left goes against the meritocratic, Ivy League nature the people at the top of the Democratic party don't believe in that because they have more faith in their upper-class, suburban counterparts than anybody resembling a middle-class Millennial or former union member.

[Lord Admirale]

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Literally every mid-term election is about the President.

Democrats should talk about the issues, but they would be stupid to ignore the sub-40% approval rating president who is under criminal investigation.

True, but the entirety of their campaigns shouldn't be about the President.

[Mr. Smith]

Implying you can't both run a issues campaign AND have the solution to those issues be socialististic in nature.

Democrats need to come up with a comprehensive agenda/manifesto; with REAL detailed policies and not just empty platitudes like "bring back the jobs". Give people a signal that the Democrats learned something from 2016, instead of just hoping that people finally hate Trump enough to hand Congress over to Democrats.

There are millions of people in this country, especially young people and minorities, who are natural voters for the Democrats but will never bother to vote because the party does absof***inglutely nothing for them but still acts like they have a DUTY to vote Dem. Chase these votes instead of the votes of some rich assholes who moved his family into the suburbs the moment he saw a black family move onto the same street as him. These people are the worst in America, and they should stay in the GOP where they belong.

Exactly.

It's as dumb as the naysayers 40 years ago who didn't believe welfare gutters "chasing Goldwater" could actually win when Ford couldn't and Carter just won and Nixon went out. All it takes is one charismatic guy to say "there you go again" against a less charismatic opponent.

Or more recently, Scott Walker, Paul LePage, and Rick Snyder and even Tom Corbett all flipped blue states in 2010 with none of this moderation bs. Staunchly far-right and unapologetic and they won because they seemed to have the issues down according to voters. They fell rather quickly though in office and it took dog-whistling and incompetent counter campaigns running on similar ideas to Ossoff to get re-elected...well except for Tom Corbett, he got rightfully taken out.

Thats not true , by 1979 Reagan was the odds on favorite to win the Republican nomination

Also Reagan was the favorite in the general long before the debate: https://highered.nbclearn.com/portal/site/HigherEd/flatview?cuecard=3252



Who do the dems have that can be Reagan , I dont see anybody they have who can(either too old or no where near as charismatic to win the nomination)

Also remember Reagan came from the governors office not the senate. When you look at who the dems have at the governor bench who can be their Reagan, you cant find any body but Jerry Brown who is way too old to run in 2020.

I wasn't talking about Reagan specifically, though he plays a part. I was talking about the general direction the party started going after Carter won '76.

And the office from whence they come doesn't matter, it's the ideological drive and charisma that does.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Implying you can't both run a issues campaign AND have the solution to those issues be socialististic in nature.

Democrats need to come up with a comprehensive agenda/manifesto; with REAL detailed policies and not just empty platitudes like "bring back the jobs". Give people a signal that the Democrats learned something from 2016, instead of just hoping that people finally hate Trump enough to hand Congress over to Democrats.

There are millions of people in this country, especially young people and minorities, who are natural voters for the Democrats but will never bother to vote because the party does absof***inglutely nothing for them but still acts like they have a DUTY to vote Dem. Chase these votes instead of the votes of some rich assholes who moved his family into the suburbs the moment he saw a black family move onto the same street as him. These people are the worst in America, and they should stay in the GOP where they belong.

Exactly.

It's as dumb as the naysayers 40 years ago who didn't believe welfare gutters "chasing Goldwater" could actually win when Ford couldn't and Carter just won and Nixon went out. All it takes is one charismatic guy to say "there you go again" against a less charismatic opponent.

Or more recently, Scott Walker, Paul LePage, and Rick Snyder and even Tom Corbett all flipped blue states in 2010 with none of this moderation bs. Staunchly far-right and unapologetic and they won because they seemed to have the issues down according to voters. They fell rather quickly though in office and it took dog-whistling and incompetent counter campaigns running on similar ideas to Ossoff to get re-elected...well except for Tom Corbett, he got rightfully taken out.

Thats not true , by 1979 Reagan was the odds on favorite to win the Republican nomination

Also Reagan was the favorite in the general long before the debate: https://highered.nbclearn.com/portal/site/HigherEd/flatview?cuecard=3252



Who do the dems have that can be Reagan , I dont see anybody they have who can(either too old or no where near as charismatic to win the nomination)

Also remember Reagan came from the governors office not the senate. When you look at who the dems have at the governor bench who can be their Reagan, you cant find any body but Jerry Brown who is way too old to run in 2020.

Gavin Newsome

[publicunofficial]

Implying you can't both run a issues campaign AND have the solution to those issues be socialististic in nature.

Democrats need to come up with a comprehensive agenda/manifesto; with REAL detailed policies and not just empty platitudes like "bring back the jobs". Give people a signal that the Democrats learned something from 2016, instead of just hoping that people finally hate Trump enough to hand Congress over to Democrats.

There are millions of people in this country, especially young people and minorities, who are natural voters for the Democrats but will never bother to vote because the party does absof***inglutely nothing for them but still acts like they have a DUTY to vote Dem. Chase these votes instead of the votes of some rich assholes who moved his family into the suburbs the moment he saw a black family move onto the same street as him. These people are the worst in America, and they should stay in the GOP where they belong.

Exactly.

It's as dumb as the naysayers 40 years ago who didn't believe welfare gutters "chasing Goldwater" could actually win when Ford couldn't and Carter just won and Nixon went out. All it takes is one charismatic guy to say "there you go again" against a less charismatic opponent.

Or more recently, Scott Walker, Paul LePage, and Rick Snyder and even Tom Corbett all flipped blue states in 2010 with none of this moderation bs. Staunchly far-right and unapologetic and they won because they seemed to have the issues down according to voters. They fell rather quickly though in office and it took dog-whistling and incompetent counter campaigns running on similar ideas to Ossoff to get re-elected...well except for Tom Corbett, he got rightfully taken out.

Thats not true , by 1979 Reagan was the odds on favorite to win the Republican nomination

Also Reagan was the favorite in the general long before the debate: https://highered.nbclearn.com/portal/site/HigherEd/flatview?cuecard=3252



Who do the dems have that can be Reagan , I dont see anybody they have who can(either too old or no where near as charismatic to win the nomination)

Also remember Reagan came from the governors office not the senate. When you look at who the dems have at the governor bench who can be their Reagan, you cant find any body but Jerry Brown who is way too old to run in 2020.

Gavin Newsome

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaarf

[OSR stands with Israel]

Implying you can't both run a issues campaign AND have the solution to those issues be socialististic in nature.

Democrats need to come up with a comprehensive agenda/manifesto; with REAL detailed policies and not just empty platitudes like "bring back the jobs". Give people a signal that the Democrats learned something from 2016, instead of just hoping that people finally hate Trump enough to hand Congress over to Democrats.

There are millions of people in this country, especially young people and minorities, who are natural voters for the Democrats but will never bother to vote because the party does absof***inglutely nothing for them but still acts like they have a DUTY to vote Dem. Chase these votes instead of the votes of some rich assholes who moved his family into the suburbs the moment he saw a black family move onto the same street as him. These people are the worst in America, and they should stay in the GOP where they belong.

Exactly.

It's as dumb as the naysayers 40 years ago who didn't believe welfare gutters "chasing Goldwater" could actually win when Ford couldn't and Carter just won and Nixon went out. All it takes is one charismatic guy to say "there you go again" against a less charismatic opponent.

Or more recently, Scott Walker, Paul LePage, and Rick Snyder and even Tom Corbett all flipped blue states in 2010 with none of this moderation bs. Staunchly far-right and unapologetic and they won because they seemed to have the issues down according to voters. They fell rather quickly though in office and it took dog-whistling and incompetent counter campaigns running on similar ideas to Ossoff to get re-elected...well except for Tom Corbett, he got rightfully taken out.

Thats not true , by 1979 Reagan was the odds on favorite to win the Republican nomination

Also Reagan was the favorite in the general long before the debate: https://highered.nbclearn.com/portal/site/HigherEd/flatview?cuecard=3252



Who do the dems have that can be Reagan , I dont see anybody they have who can(either too old or no where near as charismatic to win the nomination)

Also remember Reagan came from the governors office not the senate. When you look at who the dems have at the governor bench who can be their Reagan, you cant find any body but Jerry Brown who is way too old to run in 2020.

I wasn't talking about Reagan specifically, though he plays a part. I was talking about the general direction the party started going after Carter won '76.

And the office from whence they come doesn't matter, it's the ideological drive and charisma that does.

Then tell me who do thrks have who can be their reagan



From senators these are the ones who ideolgically could be Dems Reagan

Warren : Too uncharasmatic , and don't know if she has ability to win WWC voters

Bernie : too old

Sherrod Brown : prob their best shot , but doesn't have the experience to get progressive policies through (while Reagan due to being governor did )


For the governors :


Jerry Brown: too old

Steve Bullock : not a known figure

[publicunofficial]

Reagan was a drooling senile war criminal who traded arms for hostages and America's social safety net for tax cuts. So maybe we shouldn't aspire to that.

[Mr. Smith]

Reagan was a drooling senile war criminal who traded arms for hostages and America's social safety net for tax cuts. So maybe we shouldn't aspire to that.

But that wasn't how the base saw him now was it?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Reagan was a drooling senile war criminal who traded arms for hostages and America's social safety net for tax cuts. So maybe we shouldn't aspire to that.

But that wasn't how the base saw him now was it?

So what do you think about my last reply and told why each of those candidates can't be the Dems Reagan

[Lord Admirale]

People think moving further to the left will cause the Democrats to win. HA!

No, you make your message about the issues, not about how Trump sucks. Ossoff came across as a carpetbagging millennial who thinks Stephen Colbert is the funniest guy on Earth and made his campaign about how Trump sucks.

If the Democrats want to win, they should make their campaigns about the ISSUES and focus on what MATTERS, not the President's Twitter account. Moving further to the left just alienates much of the suburban vote and moderates in the party.  

Becoming the freaking Socialist Party reincarnate will give the GOP landslide after landslide in Congressional and even Presidential elections.

If only you were around in 2008-2010 and the countless, almost daily articles, of how the Republican party was on a ''suicide mission'' for going so far to the right with the Tea Party.

There's no such thing as a political center. Centrism always de-enthuses your own base and get's you nothing from the other side. It's a losing strategy.

I was around for 2008-2010, but I was living in moderate New Jersey. Chris Christie wasn't tea party, and Jon Corzine was immensely unpopular.

I mean, the hard core conservatism helped the Tea Party mostly in the south for congressional seats, where a lot of the Blue Dogs were still hanging around. But in the Senate, it killed their chances of a majority. In Delaware, the moderate DE-At Large Republican Mike Castle decided to run for Joe Biden's seat but was defeated in the primary by a Tea Party opponent, who lost to Chris Coons in the general. That congressman was projected to defeat Coons in the election.

I could see this happening for the Democrats with people like Joe Manchin. If Manchin is somehow outprimaried, then the Republican nominee will surely defeat Paula Jean Swearengin.

[Virginiá]

So what do you think about my last reply and told why each of those candidates can't be the Dems Reagan

Maybe the left's Reagan won't come around in 2020. Or, maybe that person will run, and you / other people just haven't spotted them yet (or have written them off).

I think it would be incorrect to automatically assume any of us are definitely going to spot that person ahead of time to begin with.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Also why does it have to be a "dem Reagan"? The person who beats Trump doesn't have to be a democratic Reagan it can be the next FDR or maybe they become the standard bearer president

[Virginiá]

Also why does it have to be a "dem Reagan"? The person who beats Trump doesn't have to be a democratic Reagan it can be the next FDR or maybe they become the standard bearer president

I just take it to me the Democrat's version of a president who realigns the country's dominant ideological leanings, or rather, delivers on an existing 'realignment' that has been ongoing for years beforehand. Since Reagan was the last person to do this for either side, it doesn't seem inappropriate.

But I still dispute the idea that we'll 100% see this person coming before they even run.