Transgenderism and Transhumanism

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This thread is terrifying and needs to stop.

[Mercenary]

Depends on what you mean by support.

I support research into transhumanism. I support an individuals right to volunteer for such research or have access to the results of such research. I am not sure I am not in favor of selective breeding though.

That human modification thing is messed up but I have no legal objections to people being idiots.

Transgenderism... well I do not really agree with it but I am not going to stand in the way of someone's happiness as long as it doesnt violate other's rights. That is if you want to go around saying youre the opposite sex, taking horomone drugs, having a surgery, etc and that will make you happy then go for it. And I am even willing to refer to you by the pronoun you are more comfortable with. But I do not support individuals of one biology using bathrooms or showers of the opposite sex. Stalled bathrooms I have less issue with but certainly any more exposed places I strongly object. So I cannot say I fully support the movement. I am all for single occupancy bathroom or showers though and would prefer them anyway as I dislike undressing in front of others anyway.

[Blue3]

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/technology/godlike-homo-deus-could-replace-humans-tech-evolves-n757971

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/technology/godlike-homo-deus-could-replace-humans-tech-evolves-n757971

And why should we celebrate this? Those that embrace tomorrow with open arms may somehow survive this trainwreck semi-intact, but many billions will be ground under its tank treads.

[Person Man]

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/technology/godlike-homo-deus-could-replace-humans-tech-evolves-n757971

And why should we celebrate this? Those that embrace tomorrow with open arms may somehow survive this trainwreck semi-intact, but many billions will be ground under its tank treads.

How exactly do you stop the future from occuring?

Reminds me of that South Park episode about the "Goobacks".

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/technology/godlike-homo-deus-could-replace-humans-tech-evolves-n757971

And why should we celebrate this? Those that embrace tomorrow with open arms may somehow survive this trainwreck semi-intact, but many billions will be ground under its tank treads.

How exactly do you stop the future from occurring?

The same way you solve any other social problem (linear time is simply a human construction, after all).

[SATW]

Transhumanism is ridiculous and disgusting.

[Blue3]

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/technology/godlike-homo-deus-could-replace-humans-tech-evolves-n757971

And why should we celebrate this? Those that embrace tomorrow with open arms may somehow survive this trainwreck semi-intact, but many billions will be ground under its tank treads.

Did I say we should celebrate it? I'm against transhumanism.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/technology/godlike-homo-deus-could-replace-humans-tech-evolves-n757971

And why should we celebrate this? Those that embrace tomorrow with open arms may somehow survive this trainwreck semi-intact, but many billions will be ground under its tank treads.

How exactly do you stop the future from occurring?

The same way you solve any other social problem (linear time is simply a human construction, after all).

Regulate it to minimize its negative effects and try to maximize its benefits?

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/technology/godlike-homo-deus-could-replace-humans-tech-evolves-n757971

And why should we celebrate this? Those that embrace tomorrow with open arms may somehow survive this trainwreck semi-intact, but many billions will be ground under its tank treads.

How exactly do you stop the future from occurring?

The same way you solve any other social problem (linear time is simply a human construction, after all).

Regulate it to minimize its negative effects and try to maximize its benefits?

Determine the social factors by which it is allowed to occur, identify ways to mitigate or outright stop them, and select the method that has the least externalities.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/technology/godlike-homo-deus-could-replace-humans-tech-evolves-n757971

And why should we celebrate this? Those that embrace tomorrow with open arms may somehow survive this trainwreck semi-intact, but many billions will be ground under its tank treads.

How exactly do you stop the future from occurring?

The same way you solve any other social problem (linear time is simply a human construction, after all).

Regulate it to minimize its negative effects and try to maximize its benefits?

Determine the social factors by which it is allowed to occur, identify ways to mitigate or outright stop them, and select the method that has the least externalities.

But why not try to turn it into a force for good? The main problem with it is inequality of access, which is a part of our current system, not the technology.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/technology/godlike-homo-deus-could-replace-humans-tech-evolves-n757971

And why should we celebrate this? Those that embrace tomorrow with open arms may somehow survive this trainwreck semi-intact, but many billions will be ground under its tank treads.

How exactly do you stop the future from occurring?

The same way you solve any other social problem (linear time is simply a human construction, after all).

Regulate it to minimize its negative effects and try to maximize its benefits?

Determine the social factors by which it is allowed to occur, identify ways to mitigate or outright stop them, and select the method that has the least externalities.

But why not try to turn it into a force for good? The main problem with it is inequality of access, which is a part of our current system, not the technology.

You misunderstand my intention, which is to freeze time.

[Cory]

But why not try to turn it into a force for good? The main problem with it is inequality of access, which is a part of our current system, not the technology.

This.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

But why not try to turn it into a force for good? The main problem with it is inequality of access, which is a part of our current system, not the technology.

This.

The technology is hideous and dehumanizing. I would not be surprised should we experience an epidemic of suicides as we approach fully-automated luxury communism. Once the world is our, what purpose does it, or we, have?

[Person Man]

But why not try to turn it into a force for good? The main problem with it is inequality of access, which is a part of our current system, not the technology.

This.

The technology is hideous and dehumanizing. I would not be surprised should we experience an epidemic of suicides as we approach fully-automated luxury communism. Once the world is our, what purpose does it, or we, have?

I believe the Government can help us get the hand up we need and enable us to pursue our happiness but not make us happy or live our lives for us.
That's our responsibility as human beings in a free society. To find meaning in life. Things maybe were easier in the 17th century or even in rural India today with your family doing it for you but you can't just create a maximiun technology level for "us" to exist at. My guess is that this is why we don't have the Qing, Hapsburgs, Romanovs, or Ottomans anymore.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

But why not try to turn it into a force for good? The main problem with it is inequality of access, which is a part of our current system, not the technology.

This.

The technology is hideous and dehumanizing. I would not be surprised should we experience an epidemic of suicides as we approach fully-automated luxury communism. Once the world is our, what purpose does it, or we, have?

I believe the Government can help us get the hand up we need and enable us to pursue our happiness but not make us happy or live our lives for us.
That's our responsibility as human beings in a free society. To find meaning in life. Things maybe were easier in the 17th century or even in rural India today with your family doing it for you but you can't just create a maximiun technology level for "us" to exist at. My guess is that this is why we don't have the Qing, Hapsburgs, Romanovs, or Ottomans anymore.

All of this is, of course, acceptable, and in no way related to the oncoming bout of severe mental derangement our species will face if adding cybernetic "improvements" ever becomes available. Given the way technologies are able to both consume and be consumed by the masses with the means to achieve them, this is treading on dangerous territory. To think nothing of the greatly magnified surveillance capabilities!

[Blue3]

But why not try to turn it into a force for good? The main problem with it is inequality of access, which is a part of our current system, not the technology.

This.

In the transhuman debate, inequality of access is NOT the biggest issue.

The biggest issue is the inherent morality of transhumanism. As I summarized on the previous page:



1. "Human" rights... if we'd still have equal rights, if they should inherently have "more" rights, etc. And ones that go wrong could be given "subhuman" status. Corporations/Governments could even intentionally create a right-less "subhuman" class to work as slaves.

2. Fairness... what happens if Transhumans become so intelligent they think and communicate faster than it takes for one of us to form a short sentence or send a text... normal humans being "left behind" and feeling and being treated like we are all mentally retarded. Not only be left behind... a Transhumanist dictator could come along too.

3. Loss of something essential, "lost in translation," that we might not even understand at first. Perhaps we really do all have something similar to an immortal soul, but something transhumanist is done that causes it to be lost forever? Or without getting into souls... perhaps a change done unknowingly and unintentionally makes us lose an essential part of our personalities/memories and how we think/feel?



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I welcome technology to make us live longer and healthier, eliminating genetic diseases and other diseases and old age, healing scars and regrowing lost body parts, nanotech assisting white blood cells. Even with parents picking some of their children's traits, and cybernetic gadgets that can be put on and off and aren't part of the body like an iWatch or those eyeglasses. I don't consider those things "transhumanism."

The problem is those trying to become something other than human. Whether through genetics or cybernetics or drugs. THAT is "transhumanism."