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[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

I present.....my original 2016 election prediction:

2016

Fmr. Sec. Hillary Clinton (NY) / Sec. Julián Castro (TX) - 341 votes, 51.8%
Sen. Marco Rubio (FL) / Gov. Nikki Haley (SC) - 197 votes, 47.2%

I made this in summer of 2015, around the time Trump announced/4th of July. I also kept on....clearly I was very (overly?) hopeful and optimistic about President Hillary's popularity. I also mispredicted the 2016 Missouri GOP guber. primary:

Pres. Hillary Clinton (NY) / VP Julián Castro (TX) - 372 votes, 55.7%
Gov. Catherine Hanaway (MO) / Fmr. Gov. Susana Martínez - 166 votes, 43.9%

[Huey Long is a Republican]

Maps for 1887

Second War of Northern Aggression was an Intervention of the CSA against the USA to aid their British Ally during the Third Anglo-American War of 1883 as well as a USA intervention against possible CSA involvement in Mexican Civil War

Despite the CSA having declared war on the United States a few days ago, the USA has decided to dig in and entrance themselves where they are.

After the acquisition of North Eastern Mexico by the CSA into occupied status in 1884, the United States quickly moved and occupied Baja California and established a puppet state in the North provinces of the 2nd Republic of Mexico via the Chiuahuan Republic. The Pro-american president and Government is unpopular and the Constitution of the small Republic blatantly allows the US to March where they want to when they want to. Thus, there are many waiting for the right time to join the Confederate States, seeing it as a better idea to the US puppet state they are currently in. At the same time, Mexico is locked in a three way Civil War between Maximilian I's empire, the 2nd Republic of Mexico, and the Yucatan Union of Marxist with none showing any sign of breaking.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Here are three outcomes of the 2020 presidential election with three different Democratic Nominees, the first one is with Bernie Sanders.

2020 Presidential Election

2020 Presidential Election Results:
Bernie Sanders: 278 Electoral Votes (50% of PV)
Donald Trump: 260 Electoral Votes (49% of PV)
As you can see I believe Sanders can narrowly beat Trump by flipping the three Rust belt states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin with higher Nonwhite and youth turnout, along with increased support in Rural WWC areas. Trump will make gains in Wealthy, White, suburbs, throughout the sun belt and will thus improve his margins in Florida, Georgia, Texas, North Carolina, and Arizona, along with coming closer in Virginia, Colorado, and Nevada, and losing California by 20 points instead of 30. This will have the effect of making him improve in the popular vote (losing it by one instead of two points), while losing the electoral college. The next map is with Cory Booker.

2020 Presidential Election

2020 Presidential Election Results:
Donald Trump: 290 Electoral Votes (48% of PV)
Cory Booker: 248 Electoral Votes (51% of PV)
As you can see, Booker would flip Michigan and hold all the Hillary States due to high turnout from Nonwhites and young voters, However due to his Race he'd fail to make up any ground in Rural WWC areas would doom him in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, while Trump would still narrowly win Florida due to his unwavering support from the high-turnout elderly White population their. Finally, Booker would lose the electoral college with an even bigger popular vote victory then Hillary (three points instead of two) due to him maintaining the support of many Educated White suburbanites along with higher Nonwhite and youth turnout (due to these factors he'd carry California by around a 30 point margin). The last map I'd for Warren.

2020 Presidential Election

2020 Presidential Election Results:
Donald Trump: 328 Electoral Votes (50% of PV)
Elizabeth Warren: 210 Electoral Votes (48% of PV)
As much as I hate to say this, it's pretty obvious Elizabeth Warren is the weakest of these three potential Nominees, because though she would excite the Democratic base of Nonwhites and Young people, her Gender would turn of even more WWCs, which would cause her to lose Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin by even larger margins and cause her to lose Minnesota, New Hampshire, Maine, and Nevada. Meanwhile, her Left-wing economic views would turn of Wealth White Suburbanites, which would cause her to barely win Virginia and Colorado (Nonwhites and Young people would save her in those two states), win California by 20 points instead of 30, and lose Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, and Florida by larger margins then Hillary. Overall these National shifts would cause Trump to win the popular vote by two points, along with winning 328 Electoral votes from 34 states.

Hahaha.
Oh. Wait.
You're serious?
Let me laugh even harder!

[morgankingsley]

The democrats finally manage to win Alaska for the second time ever, but due to them trying so hard to win the state, the republican came in and swept every other state

[bagelman]

2024-The Hawley era begins

Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO)/Rep. Chris DiPiazza (R-NJ)-361 EV/53.2%
Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA)/Gov. Jon Ossoff (D-GA)-177 EV/47.5%
Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley, elected in 2021 after the retirement of Roy Blunt to become White House Chief of Staff for President Donald Trump, runs for president in 2024 after sterling conservative credentials and several legislative achievements including The Hawley Act (sweeping education reform).
Hawley wins the 2024 GOP nomination and picks rising Republican star Rep. Chris DiPiazza of New Jersey as his vice presidential running mate. Hawley/DiPiazza wins with 361 electoral votes, becoming one of the youngest presidential/vice-presidential pairs since Clinton and Gore in 1992. Hawley wins with 53% of the vote, compared with Democratic opponent Sen. Kamala Harris' 47% of the popular vote. Harris wins the 2024 Democratic nomination in a bitter ethnic battle, and the remnants of the nomination casts over to the general election. This is the Republicans' third consecutive electoral victory, first time since 1980/1984/1988 with Reagan-Bush.

https://savejersey.com/2018/01/di-piazza-paramus-council/

My version:

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

The democrats finally manage to win Alaska for the second time ever, but due to them trying so hard to win the state, the republican came in and swept every other state

I could see this happening in the future, if the election was between an extremely popular incumbent Republican president and a favorite son or daughter from Alaska who is popular there but unpopular everywhere else, ala Mondale '84.

[Burke Bro]

2020 General Election

Bernie Sanders/Jeff Merkley: 361
Donald Trump/Mike Pence: 177

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

2020 General Election

Bernie Sanders/Jeff Merkley: 358
Donald Trump/Mike Pence: 180

That map is 361-177

[Suburbia]

2024-The Hawley era begins

Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO)/Rep. Chris DiPiazza (R-NJ)-361 EV/53.2%
Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA)/Gov. Jon Ossoff (D-GA)-177 EV/47.5%
Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley, elected in 2021 after the retirement of Roy Blunt to become White House Chief of Staff for President Donald Trump, runs for president in 2024 after sterling conservative credentials and several legislative achievements including The Hawley Act (sweeping education reform).
Hawley wins the 2024 GOP nomination and picks rising Republican star Rep. Chris DiPiazza of New Jersey as his vice presidential running mate. Hawley/DiPiazza wins with 361 electoral votes, becoming one of the youngest presidential/vice-presidential pairs since Clinton and Gore in 1992. Hawley wins with 53% of the vote, compared with Democratic opponent Sen. Kamala Harris' 47% of the popular vote. Harris wins the 2024 Democratic nomination in a bitter ethnic battle, and the remnants of the nomination casts over to the general election. This is the Republicans' third consecutive electoral victory, first time since 1980/1984/1988 with Reagan-Bush.

https://savejersey.com/2018/01/di-piazza-paramus-council/

My version:

I see Hawley pulling it out in NJ..with Congressman DiPiazza (NJ-05) as his VP, DiPiazza helps him with suburban moderates and Bergen County goes GOP for first time since 1992.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/bergen/paramus/2018/01/02/paramus-council-swears-26-year-old-republican-newcomer-and-democratic-incumbent/990532001/

https://savejersey.com/2018/01/di-piazza-paramus-council/

[bagelman]

[Huey Long is a Republican]

1992:

Bush/Quayle: 326/42.2%
Brown/Jackson: 212/39.3%
Perot/Stockdale: 0/18.5%

Bush wins Re-election in a moderate Landslide thanks to many seeing Brown as too Liberal. It's still close in several states because of Perot, though.


1996:

Dole/Kemp: 271/49.7%
Biden/Edwards: 267/50.3%

Dole wins by the barest of margins and many thought Biden would win as he was 3 points over Dole in all of the polls on Election Night



2000:

Clinton/Gore: 457/64.6%
Dole/Kemp: 81/35.4%

Clinton destroys Dole in debates and remains a consistent +20 points up in the polls due to a combination of Dole's Low Approval, his loss of the PV in 2000, and many saying he was just as bad as his Boss in '76, Gerald Ford. He would also be nearly completely primared by Tennessee Governor Don Sundquist. Sundquist only lost because of the Western States in the 2000 GOP primary.



2004:

Clinton/Gore: 496/66.8%
Bush/Cheney: 42/33.2%

The election wasn't really a challenge due to weak debate performances from Bush and Cheney, a strong Economy behind Clinton, and a brokered Republican National Convention where Bush barely got the needed delegates due to then Tennessee Senator Don Sundquist and Arizona Senator John McCain taking many states from Bush in the primaries.



2008:

Sundquist/Giuliani: 385/59.9%
Obama/Kerry: 153/40.1%

Sundquist wins the election due to a brokered convention between Obama and Gore for the 2008 Democratic Nomination with Obama winning it but barely. Sundquist loses the first debate but regains composure and wins the 2nd and 3rd debate while the VP debate is considered a tie. When Hillary Clinton gives her own October surprise by stating she was offered the VP position only so Obama could ride her popularity to Victory, he falls in the polls and is 7 points below Sundquist on Election day.



2012:

Sundquist/Giuliani: 403/62.3%
Edwards/Feingold: 135/37.7%

Sundquist wins Re-election due to boasting a strong Economy and, the day before Election day, Osama Bin Laden was killed. Because of that, he soars to +15 points over Edwards in a landslide win. Sundquist did face a somewhat strong opposition with Bobby Jindal of Louisiana. Many Democrats agree that Bin Laden's death was used as a political tool by Sundquist as before that, the President and Edwards we're neck and neck.



2016:

Bredesen/Clinton: 468/66.9%
Bush/McCain: 70/33.1%

The entire General is a massacre as Former Tennessee Governor and current TN Senator Phil Bredesen was very popular with his Centrist ideals over his opponents more conservative ideas.

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

I present.....my original 2016 election prediction:

2016

Fmr. Sec. Hillary Clinton (NY) / Sec. Julián Castro (TX) - 341 votes, 51.8%
Sen. Marco Rubio (FL) / Gov. Nikki Haley (SC) - 197 votes, 47.2%

2020

Pres. Hillary Clinton (NY) / VP Julián Castro (TX) - 372 votes, 55.7%
Gov. Catherine Hanaway (MO) / Fmr. Gov. Susana Martínez - 166 votes, 43.9%

2024

Gov. Paul Ryan (WI, elected 2018) / Sen. T.W. Shannon (OK, elected 2020) - ~310 votes, 51.4%
VP Julián Castro (TX) / Gov. Seth Moulton (MA, elected 2018) - ~230 votes, 47.5%

2028

Pres. Paul Ryan (WI) / VP T.W. Shannon (OK) - ~330 votes, 53.1%
Sen. Joe Kennedy (MA, elected 2020) / Fmr Gov. Stacey Abrams (GA, 2019-2027) - ~210 votes, 45.9%

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

So what's the deal with Titanium D North Carolina in this universe?

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

So what's the deal with Titanium D North Carolina in this universe?

I know, right? I guess 18 year old me knew all about NC's inelasticity, but just got the base percentages of the parties wrong. I thought the demographics would change to the point where the Republicans would never win it but here we are in real life. and if I went even further forward in the timeline, I was also one of those people who believed Illinois was destined to trend R.

[Sir Mohamed]

1948: FDR lives and runs for a fifth term

✓ President Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)/Vice President Harry S. Truman (D-MO): 350 EVs.; 52.4%
Governor Thomas Dewey (R-NY)/Governor Earl Warren (R-CA): 181 EVs.; 46.5%

[Huey Long is a Republican]

1860:

Brecekenridge/Lane: 170/50.8%
Lincoln/Hamlin: 133/49.2%

Breckenridge becomes DEM nominee after Douglas dies from disease in 1859. He barely defeats Lincoln in New York and thus, the ACW is averted, for now.

1864:

Breckenridge/Lane: 210/52.5%
Seward/Cameron: 115/47.5%

Breckenridge wins a second term in a moderate landslide. The union continues to be the untion for another few years

1868:

Lane/Tilden: 215/56.7%
Chates/Mclean: 109/43.3%

Lane wins in a moderate landslide just like in 1864 thanks to the strong Democratic South. They make an agreement to slowly do away with slavery by 1893 but there's a catch. While Slavery is done away with, African American families must live with their former masters and help provide for them. and thus the African Families Act of 1870 is passed overwhelmingly in congress

1872:

Lane/Tilden: 194/49.4%
Clay/Wade: 164/50.6%

Election is a nail biter with Lane barely being re-elected. Cracks begins to show in Democratic Party and Republicans begins to plan for conquest.

1876:

Tilden/Cleveland: 298/57.8%
Hayes/Wheeler: 71/42.2%

Tilden is able to give a large breath of air to the Democratic party thanks to his running mate Grover Cleveland.

1880:

Tilden/Cleveland: 213/53.4%
Garfield/Arthur: 156/46.6%

Party weariness begins to take hold of the Democratic Party and there are new branches forming (Socialists and Dixiecrats being the most prominent)

1884:

Cleveland/Hendricks: 291/46.5%
Logan/Blaine: 79/41.3%
Debs/Seidel: 31/12.2% (So)

Socialists make their first appearance in the elections and cost Logan some states as well as taking states of their own. Many Southern Democrats feel disheartened with new Democratic Northern strategy and begin slowly voting for their own Southern candidates.

1888:

Cleveland/Hendricks: 226/39.5%
Debs/Seidel: 103/30.5%
Harrison/Morton: 72/20%

Vote splitting causes yet another Cleveland win, but the socialists are getting more and more popular with each passing day.

1892:

Hendricks/Bryan: 229/42.3%
Harrison/Reid: 157/43.2%
Debs/Seidel: 58/14.5%

Hendricks very unpopular and after he makes popular Bryan his running mate, he barely wins 1892.

1896:

Hendricks/Bryan: 230/41.2%
Mickenly/Roosevelt: 121/43.7%
Debs/Seidel: 96/10.1%

This is the last election where the Democrats have a combined party as the South has finally grown tired of the increasingly pro-north Dems and break away to form the Dixiecrats.

1900:

Roosevelt/Fairbanks: 225/32.7%
Lee/Longstreet: 159/29.6%
Sinclair/Debs: 35/21.2%
Bryan/Stevenson: 28/16.5%

Closest election at the time. Southern state of Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Virginia, Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, North Carolina, Mississippi, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida secede after President Roosevelt promises to repeal the African Families Act of 1870 in 1901. Roosevelt promises to reunite the country in his inauguration speech.

Should I continue. If so, should I do an electoral Map of the CSA and Union or just the Union?

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

2020

Pres. Mike Pence (IN, ascended 2019) / Sec. Nikki Haley (SC, SoS since 2019) - 46.8%
Sen. Kamala Harris (CA) / Fmr. Gov. John Hickenlooper (CO) - 49.1%

2024

Sen. Beto O'Rourke (TX, elected 2018) / Gov. Justin Fairfax (VA, elected 2021) - 56.2%
Pres. Mike Pence (IN) / VP Nikki Haley (SC) - 41.9%

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

1860:

Brecekenridge/Lane: 170/50.8%
Lincoln/Hamlin: 133/49.2%

If Breckinridge has carried Minnesota, it is inconceivable that he would not also carry the other free states outside of New England. For Lincoln to carry Indiana (a hotbed of pro-Southern sentiment in actual history—one of our senators was expelled from office in 1861 for selling arms to Jefferson Davis) but not Minnesota (the most heavily Republican state in 1860 outside of New Englands), especially against someone as rabidly pro-slavery as Breckinridge, just doesn't make any sense.

Also, Thomas Hendricks died in 1885, and Gilded Age Republican bastions like Pennsylvania and Maine would have been the last states to flip to the Socialists (heck, even FDR at the height of his popularity lost the vote in Maine. Historically, Debs and the SPUSA were strongest in the western states.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

Looks like a generic modern election in an alternate timeline where the Solid South never breaks up.

[catographer]

I like NTB's timeline you made there. 10 straight Democratic EV victories (40 years), holy sh*t.

[bagelman]

Looks like a generic modern election in an alternate timeline where the Solid South never breaks up.

It happens to be the 1976 trend map

[bagelman]

1980 trend map as election battleground map, kinda messy. Democrats have a small advantage.

[Calthrina950]

Here is Part I of the presidential election maps from 1992-2020, in my Holland Scenario. The point of divergence (besides the creation of fictional characters Holland, Dickenson, Holtzman, and Beauregard), is in 1992, when Ross Perot, after dropping out of the presidential race the first time, decides to stay out, and George H.W. Bush is able to squeak out a narrow reelection victory over Bill Clinton:

President George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Vice President Dan Quayle (R-IN)-270 EV-49.55%

Governor William Jefferson Clinton (D-AR)/Senator Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN)-268 EV-49.41%

In 1996, with President Bush's approval ratings sinking to a low of 29%, Vice-President Dan Quayle manages to win the Republican nomination for President. Senator Al Gore, Clinton's running mate from four years earlier, wins the Democratic nomination after a heated contest with New York Governor Mario Cuomo, Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey, and Texas Governor Ann Richards. Gore goes on to defeat Quayle in the general election:

Senator Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN)/Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN)-442 EV-57.31%

Vice President Dan Quayle (R-IN)/General Collin Powell (R-NY)-96 EV-41.10%

By 2000, President Gore, whose first years in the White House had been marred by failures over healthcare policy and Republican takeover of the House during the 1998 midterms, had been able to turn things around, capitalizing on a good economy, foreign-policy successes in Northern Ireland, Bosnia, and Iraq, and the ineptness of the campaign of his rival, Texas Governor George W. Bush. Democrats also managed to take back the House:

President Al Gore (D-TN)/Vice-President Evan Bayh (D-IN)-506 EV-60.07%

Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)/Former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney (R-WY)-32 EV-39.27%

The second half of President Gore's presidency was marked by the 9/11 attacks and by the subsequent U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, and in 2003-2004, was marred by an economic downturn, along with foreign-policy crises concerning North Korea, China, and Iran. President Gore's popularity declined, and this hurt Vice-President Bayh, who ran to succeed him. He lost in a close election to Tennessee Senator Lamar Alexander, who had ran unsuccessfully for the nomination in both 1996 and 2000. Republicans also took control of both Houses of Congress:

Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN)/Former Governor Pete Wilson (R-CA)-305 EV-49.87%

Vice-President Evan Bayh (D-IN)/Senator John Edwards (D-NC)-233 EV-48.95%

By 2008, with the economy having stabilized, with the passage of the No Child Left Behind Act and of the Alexander tax cuts, and with the war in Afghanistan seeing measurable progress, President Alexander was able to win a landslide reelection:

President Lamar Alexander (R-TN)/Vice-President Pete Wilson (R-CA)-506 EV-58.76%

Senator John Kerry (D-MA)/Governor Bill Richardson (D-NM)-32 EV-41.15%

[Calthrina950]

Part II of the Holland Scenario maps:

In 2012, with President Alexander term-limited, and with Vice-President Wilson declining to run, Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney wins the Republican nomination, and selects House Appropriations Chairman Paul Ryan as his running mate. Romney, capitalizing on Alexander's popularity, manages to defeat New York Senator Hillary Clinton and her running mate, former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack, in a relatively close election:

Governor W. Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI)-308 EV-50.73%

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)/Former Governor Tom Vilsack (D-IA)-230 EV-48.20%

By 2016, the political landscape has altered dramatically. The collapse of the housing market in 2013 soon ensued in the Great Recession, resulting in a rapid rise in unemployment; the loss of billions of dollars by investment firms and private corporations; and the intensification of the national debt. Industrial productivity slowed, and trade fell. As the effects of the Recession spread around the world, other troubles intensified for the United States. The rise of ISIS in Syria and Turkey, President Romney's interventions in Iraq, Yemen, and Libya, and the renewal of hostilities in Afghanistan was compounded with the renewed threat posed by North Korea, the nuclear proliferation efforts of Iran, trade disputes with China, and Russian moves into the Crimea. President Romney's popularity collapsed, and in 2014, Republicans lost the Senate, while barely holding on to the House. Two years later, the Democrats nominated Governor William C. Holland of Texas. Holland selected charismatic Senator Robert Holtzman of Illinois as his running mate. Holland and Holtzman went on to defeat Romney and Ryan in a comfortable victory. Democrats won back control of both Houses:

Governor William Christopher Holland (D-TX)/Senator Robert Holtzman (D-IL)-396 EV-54.56%

President W. Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Vice-President Paul Ryan (R-WI)-142 EV-41.72%

By 2020, the situation in the United States had greatly improved. The Great Recession was over by 2019, and the economy experienced a significant economic recovery afterwards. The war in Afghanistan was finally brought to a conclusion; ISIS was mopped up; and the U.S. ended its intervention in Yemen, with the installation of a regime friendly to the West. Moreover, the Holland Administration began to pursue a vigorous domestic policy agenda, which became known as the New Frontier. Holland enjoyed high approval ratings by the time of the election. The Republican nominee, ultraconservative Senator John Dickenson of Mississippi, alienated much of the electorate with his rhetoric and policy positions, further aiding the President. Holland went on to win by the largest landslide in modern electoral history:

President William Christopher Holland (D-TX)/Vice-President Robert Holtzman (D-IL)-531 EV-66.05%

Senator John Dickenson (R-MS)/Governor Charles Beauregard (R-LA)-7 EV-32.45%

[Sherrod Brown Shill]

2040 Election:

President Joe Kennedy/Vice President Jeremiah Ellison ~420 EC, 53.4%
Senator Josh Hawley/Representative Elise Stefanik ~118 EC, 43.3%