List of Alternate Presidents 2.0.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Every single one these lists that contains a president born after the point of divergence is WRONG.

Here's an example from the most recent post, Truman as Teddy. Tim Ryan, as Harris Wofford's last VP, ascends to the office in 2019. There's only one problem: Tim Ryan, born in our timeline in 1973...does not exist in this different timeline. The probability of the parents of Tim Ryan going through the exact same series of events in their lives since the POD in the latter 1940s leading up to his conception, then the same sperm reaching the same egg, then the same pregnancy and birth, then the same childhood events, same opportunities acquired to become a politician..the probability is infinitesimal.   

Ever since I realized this truth this thread has become among the worst on atlas for me. If Harry Truman's presidency is different in even one tenth the magnitude required for him to pick a different vice president then the resulting cascade of different choices derived from different conditions and events makes it is more likely for the US to become an insane Catholic Communist theocratic regime then it is for Barack Obama or Tim Ryan to Ever. Be. BORN. Much less become aspiring politicians, politicians, then president.

Dude nothing is fun about random colored names on a list. If they’re not real or at least inspired by a real person, how would anyone understand it?

The amount of "realism" needed to acknowledge this also involves such a magnitude of fantasy--deciding which alternate reproductive cells might pair up, how the president at the time affects baby names, etc.--that it is not at any point a box worth opening unless you admit you're being even more speculative than someone who uses Nixon in a timeline diverging before 1913.

If we wanted to entertain this notion seriously, there was a discussion in Lief's American Monarchy timeline, as I recall, where this was brought up. The author's(?) conclusion was that, though Nixon (for example) might not ever be born in a timeline that diverges in the 1780s, he was at least a representation of someone like Nixon. And, Hell, why not use a face and character audiences already know and love? Trying to manufacture new biographies, names, and faces wholecloth is not only not worth it, it detracts from the story/narrative aspect.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

PRESIDENTS of the CONTINENTAL CONGRESS
1775 – 1775   Peyton Randolph (No party, Virginia)
1775 – 1777   John Hancock (No party, Massachusetts)
1777 – 1778   Henry Laurens (No party, South Carolina)
1778 – 1779   John Jay (No party, New York)
1779 – 1781   Samuel Huntington (No party, Connecticut)
1781 – 1781   Thomas McKean (No party, Delaware)
1781 – 1782   John Hanson (No party, Maryland)
1782 – 1783   Elias Boudinot (No party, New Jersey)
1783 – 1784   Thomas Mifflin (No party, Pennsylvania)
1784 – 1785   Richard Henry Lee (No party, Virginia)
1785 – 1786   John Hancock (No party, Massachusetts)
1786 – 1787   Nathaniel Gorham (No party, Massachusetts)
1787 – 1788   Arthur St. Clair (No party, Pennsylvania)
1788 – 1789   Cyrus Griffin (No party, Virginia)
1789 – 1790   Jonathan Trumbull (Moderate, Connecticut)
1790 – 1791   Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (Moderate, South Carolina)
1791 – 1792   George Latimer (Radical, Pennsylvania)
1792 – 1793   Israel Smith (Radical, New York)

COMMANDERS-IN-CHIEF of the CONTINENTAL ARMY
1775 – 1776†   George Washington
1776 – 1778     Charles Lee
1778 – 1780     Horatio Gates
1780 – 1784     Nathanael Greene
1784 – 1790     Anthony Wayne
1790 – 1793     Alexander Hamilton

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
1. Alexander Hamilton (Hamiltonian—Party of Order, New York) 1793 – 1824†
–. Richard Rush (Party of Order, Pennsylvania) 1824 – 1824
2. James Buchanan (Party of Order, Pennsylvania) 1824 – 1830*
–. William Hendricks (Liberal Conservative, Wabash) 1830 – 1830
–. Willie Person Magnum (Party of Order, North Carolina) 1830 – 1830
3. Winfield Scott (Party of Order, Virginia) 1830 – 1848*
–. Charles Francis Adams (Liberal Conservative, Massachusetts) 1848 – 1848
4. Stephen Arnold Douglas (Liberal Conservative, Illinois) 1848 – 1851*
5. George Brinton McClellan (Liberal Conservative, New Jersey) 1861 – 1871*

EXECUTIVE PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
6. David Davis (Independent, Illinois) 1871 – 1878
7. Robert Todd Lincoln (Conservative, New York) 1878 – 1885
8. John Sherman (Radical Republican, Ohio) 1885 – 1892
9. William McKinley (Moderate Republican, Ohio) 1892 – 1899
10. Thomas Collier Platt (Moderate Republican, New York) 1899 – 1906
11. William Randolph Hearst (Liberal Republican, New York) 1906 – 1913
12. Thomas Woodrow Wilson (Liberal Republican, Virginia) 1913 – 1920
13. John Calvin Coolidge (Progressive Conservative, Massachusetts) 1920 – 1927
14. Herbert Clark Hoover (Progressive Conservative, California) 1927 – 1934
15. Alfred Emmanuel Smith (Liberal Republican, New York) 1934 – 1940^
16. George Catlett Marshall (Independent—National Government, Pennsylvania) 1940 – 1946
17. Thomas Edmund Dewey (Liberal, New York) 1946 – 1948

PRESIDENTS of the EXECUTIVE COUNCIL
18. Norman Thomas (American Section of the Workers' Internationale, New York) 1948 – 1954
19. Earl Warren (Liberal Independent, California) 1954 – 1959^

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
20. Theodore Roosevelt IV (Republican, New York) 1959 – 1972
21. Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller (Republican, New York) 1972 – 1979
22. John Bayard Anderson (Independent Republican, Illinois) 1979 – 1986
23. Mario Matthew Cuomo (Socialist, New York) 1986 – 1996
24. Newton Leroy Gingrich (New Republican, Georgia) 1996 – 2006
25. John Sidney McCain (New Republican, Arizona) 2006 – 2011
26. Lincoln Davenport Chaffee (Socialist, Rhode Island) 2011 – 2016
27. Howard Schultz (Progress, New York) 2016 – Incumbent

[Joe Biden 2024]

Harding as Grant

29. Warren G. Harding/Frederick H. Gillett 1921-1925, Robert La Follette 1925-1927, vacant 1927-1929
30. Calvin Coolidge/Theodore E. Burton 1929-1933
31. John Q. Tilson/Fiorello La Guardia 1933
32. Fiorello La Guardia/vacant 1933-1937
33. Franklin D. Roosevelt/Albert Ritchie 1937, vacant 1937-1941
34. Theodore Roosevelt Jr./Joseph Martin 1941-1945
35. Franklin D. Roosevelt/Joseph P. Kennedy 1945-1949
36. Thomas E. Dewey/Charles Halleck 1949-1951, vacant 1951-1953, Harold Stassen 1953
37. Harold Stassen/vacant 1953-1957, Everett Dirksen 1957-1961
38. Robert B. Anderson/Gerald R. Ford 1961-1964, vacant 1964-1965
39. Adlai Stevenson/John Connally 1965-1973
40. Hugh Scott/Ronald Reagan 1973-1975
41. Ronald Reagan/vacant 1975-1977, William Ruckelshaus 1977-1981
42. William Scranton/Howard Baker 1981-1985
43. Sargent Shriver/Tip O'Neill 1985-1993, John Glenn 1993-1997, Bob Graham 1997
44. Bob Graham/vacant 1997-2001, Chris Dodd 2001-2005
45. Colin Powell/George Allen 2005-2013
46. Andrew Cuomo/Dick Durbin 2013-2015
47. Dick Durbin/vacant 2015-2017, Tim Kaine 2017-2021
48. George Allen/Eric Greitens 2021-2025, vacant 2025, Paul Ryan 2025-2026
49. Paul Ryan/vacant 2026, Mitt Romney 2026-2029

Losing Tickets

1920: Edward Edwards/Cordell Hull
1924: John W. Davis/Charles Bryan
1928: Al Smith/Albert Ritchie
1932: Smedley Butler/John Nance Garner
1936: Henry Stimson/William Borah
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Millard Tydings
1944: Theodore Roosevelt Jr./Charles Dawes
1948: Estes Kefauver/Oscar Ewing
1952: Estes Kefauver/Joseph P. Kennedy
1956: William O. Douglas/Happy Chandler
1960: Estes Kefauver/Hubert Humphrey
1964: Robert B. Anderson/James P. Mitchell, Harold Stassen/Nelson Rockefeller
1968: Jim Rhodes/Everett Dirksen
1972: Milton Shapp/Sarget Shriver
1976: Edmund Muskie/Frank Clement
1980: Marvin Mandel/Russell B. Long
1984: William Scranton/Howard Baker
1988: Pete du Pont/Charles Percy
1992: Pat Buchanan/Bob Dole
1996: Pete Wilson/Carroll Campbell
2000: Pete Wilson/Tom Ridge
2004: John F. Kennedy Jr./Kent Conrad
2008: John F. Kennedy Jr/Russ Feingold
2012: George Allen/Jon Huntsman
2016: Ted Cruz/Mike Pence
2020: Tim Kaine/Jack Reed
2024: Beto O'Rourke/Andrew Gillum/Rahm Emanuel

[Andrew Yang 2024]

The ones I was alive for:
2004: Kerry/Edwards barely survive Bush/Cheney 271-267 (OH flips)
2008: Romney/Huckabee handily knock out Kerry/Gephardt 332-206*
2012: Obama/Kaine destroy Romney/Huckabee# 374-164
2016: Obama/Kaine squeeze by Rubio/Walker 287-251
2020: Kasich/Haley defeat Kaine/O'Malley 309-229

*Edwards resigned on June 4, 2008.
# Economic collapse was butterflied until the spring of 2010.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

KENNEDY, ROMNEY, and CUOMO Dynasty


35th (S)- NY Robert F Kennedy 1961-1969
36th (cc)-MI George Romney SR. 1969-1977
37th (S)-MA Edward Kennedy 1977-1985
38th (T)-TX George H Bush 1985-1993
39th (S)-NY Mario Cuomo 1993-1997
40th (cc)-NY George Pataki 1997-2005
41st (S)-NY Andrew Cuomo 2005-2013
42nd (T)-UT Mitt Romney Jr. 2013-2017
43rd (S)-MD Martin O'Malley 2017-current

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

44. Bill Clinton (D–Ark.) 1993–2001

43. George W. Bush (R–Texas) 2001–2009

44. Gary Locke (D–Wash.) 2009–2017

45. Barack Obama (D–Ill.) 2017–2021

46. Tom Cotton (R–Ark.) 2021–present

[brucejoel99]

No 22nd Amendment:

Likeliest POD: Clinton:
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower/Richard Nixon 1953-1961
35. John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson 1961-1963
36. Lyndon B. Johnson/vacant 1963-1965, Hubert Humphrey 1965-1969
37. Richard Nixon/Sprio Agnew 1969-1973, vacant 1973, Gerald Ford 1973-1974
38. Gerald Ford/vacant 1974, Nelson Rockefeller 1974-1977
39. Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale 1977-1981
40. Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush 1981-1989
41. George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle 1989-1993
42. Bill Clinton/Al Gore 1993-2005
43. John McCain/John Engler 2005-2009
44. John Kerry/Russ Feingold 2009-2021
45. Mike Pence/Nikki Haley 2021-

Alternative POD #1: Eisenhower:
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower/Richard Nixon 1953-1965
35. Richard Nixon/William Scranton 1965-1969
36. Hubert Humphrey/Terry Sanford 1969-1973
37. Terry Sanford/vacant 1973, Mo Udall 1973-1981
38. Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole 1981-1993
39. Bill Clinton/Al Gore 1993-2009
40. Mitt Romney/Tim Pawlenty 2009-2021
41. Russ Feingold/Barack Obama 2021-

Alternative POD #2: Reagan:
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower/Richard Nixon 1953-1961
35. John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson 1961-1963
36. Lyndon B. Johnson/vacant 1963-1965, Hubert Humphrey 1965-1969
37. Richard Nixon/Sprio Agnew 1969-1973, vacant 1973, Gerald Ford 1973-1974
38. Gerald Ford/vacant 1974, Nelson Rockefeller 1974-1977
39. Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale 1977-1981
40. Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush 1981-1993
41. Bill Clinton/Al Gore 1993-2009
42. Mitt Romney/Tim Pawlenty 2009-2021
43. Russ Feingold/Barack Obama 2021-

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
16. Abraham Lincoln (Republican, Illinois) 1861 – 1865 ‡
17. Hannibal Hamlin (Republican, Maine) 1865 – 1869
18. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican, Ohio) 1869 – 1877
19. Hannibal Hamlin (Republican, Maine) 1877 – 1881
20. James Gillespie Blaine (Republican, Maine) 1881 – 1889
21. Isaac Pusey Gray (Democratic, Indiana) 1889 – 1893
22. William McKinley (Republican, Ohio) 1893 – 1897
23. William Jennings Bryan (Democratic, Nebraska) 1897 – 1905
24. John Worth Kern (Democratic, Indiana) 1905 – 1909
25. Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican, Massachusetts) 1909 – 1913
26. John Burke (Democratic, North Dakota) 1913 – 1921
27. James Middleton Cox (Democratic, Ohio) 1921 – 1925
28. Herbert Clark Hoover (Republican, California) 1925 – 1933
29. Huey Pierce Long (Democratic, Louisiana) 1933 – 1935 ‡
30. Henry Asgard Wallace (Democratic, Iowa) 1935 – 1937
31. Alfred Mosman Landon (Republican, Kansas) 1937 – 1949
32. William Orville Douglas (Democratic, Minnesota) 1949 – 1957
33. Richard Milhous Nixon (Republican, California) 1957 – 1961
34. Carey Estes Kefauver (Democratic, Tennessee) 1961 – 1963 †
35. John FitzGerald Kennedy (Democratic, Massachusetts) 1963 – 1969
36. Spiro Theodore Agnew (Republican, Maryland) 1969 – 1972 *
37. Cecil Harland Underwood (Republican, West Virginia) 1972 – 1973
38. Edmund Sixtus Muskie (Democratic, Maine) 1973 – 1981
39. Birch Evans Bayh, Sr. (Democratic, Indiana) 1981 – 1985
40. Cecil Harland Underwood (Republican, West Virginia) 1985 – 1989
41. Paul Dominique Laxalt (Republican, Nevada) 1989 – 1997
42. John Richard Kasich (Republican, Ohio) 1997 – 2001
43. Birch Evans Bayh, Jr. (Democratic, Indiana) 2001 – 2009
44. Willard Mitt Romney (Republican, Michigan) 2009 – 2017
45. Rafael Edward Cruz (Republican, Texas) 2017 – Incumbent


† Died of natural causes          ‡ Assassinated          * Resigned

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

Saw "Sr." and "Jr." and thought someone stole my idea of President Birch Bayh (i.e. the one born in 1928) in the 2000s and that the one who died in 1971 lived another 15 years or so.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Ah, John Edwards.

2004 - John Edwards/Dennis Kucinich (D) defeat George Bush/Dick Cheney (R), 298-239.

President Edwards admits to the affair after its initial reporting in October of 2007. and announces he will not seek a second term, but will not resign.

Hillary Clinton easily wins a rushed, panicked Democratic primary, but the Edwards affair, his refusal to resign, and a damaged economy have severely hurt the Democratic Party's reputation.

2008 - John McCain/Paul Ryan (R) defeat Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine (D), 291-247.

President McCain and Vice President Ryan lead the turnaround of the economy, and the GOP makes massive gains in the Congress due to the Democratic Party facing several aforementioned scandals. Barack Obama becomes a rising star, but voters still have too much faith in McCain come November.

2012 - John McCain/Paul Ryan (R) defeat Barack Obama/Jack Reed, 284-254.

In their second term, McCain and Ryan are victims of a weakening GOP momentum and a rise in problematic social issues for the nation, such as a rise in mass shootings and the debate over Gay Marriage rights - but are able to finish their terms without major scandal.

2016 Republican Primary - Sarah Palin (a rising star who was never tarnished by a failed VP run) defeats Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Carly Fiorina, Lindsey Graham, and Jon Huntsman.

2016 Democratic Primary - Elizabeth Warren defeats Joe Biden.

2016 - Elizabeth Warren/Julian Castro (D) defeat Sarah Palin/Scott Walker (R), 294-244.

After decades of deciding not to run, Businessman Donald Trump decides to run, and we finally get our current administration, an election later.

2020 - Donald Trump/Mike Pence (R) defeat Elizabeth Warren/Julian Castro (D), 295-243.

[brucejoel99]

<snip>

I presume this means that Edwards still has an affair while in office a-la Clinton, even though it wouldn't have been the specific affair that brought him down?

[NYSforKennedy2024]

<snip>

I presume this means that Edwards still has an affair while in office a-la Clinton, even though it wouldn't have been the specific affair that brought him down?

Either way. I was thinking he pulls a move similar to the current administration and finds a way to just shrug it off until the new President is elected.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
16. Stephen Arnold Douglas (Democratic, Illinois) 1861 – 1861 †
17. Solomon Foot (Republican, Vermont) 1861 – 1865
18. Ulysses S. Grant (National Union, Ohio) 1865 – 1873
19. Charles Francis Adams (Liberal Republican, Massachusetts) 1873 – 1877
20. Thomas Andrews Hendricks (Liberal Republican, Indiana) 1877 – 1881
21. James Baird Weaver (National Union, Iowa) 1881 – 1885
22. Allen Granberry Thurman (Liberal Republican, Ohio) 1885 – 1893
23. Benjamin Harrison (National Union, Indiana) 1893 – 1901
24. Adlai Ewing Stevenson (Liberal Republican, Illinois) 1901 – 1905
25. Theodore Roosevelt (National Union, New York) 1905 – 1913
26. Robert Marion LaFollette (National Union, Wisconsin) 1913 – 1921
27. William Gibbs McAdoo (National Liberal, California) 1921 – 1925
28. John Calvin Coolidge (National, Massachusetts) 1925 – 1929
29. Norman Mattoon Thomas (American Labor, New York) 1929 – 1933
30. Charles Curtis (National, Kansas) 1933 – 1933 ‡
31. William Franklin Knox (National, Massachusetts) 1933 – 1937
32. Norman Mattoon Thomas (American Labor, New York) 1937 – 1941
33. Herbert Clark Hoover (National, California) 1941 – 1949
34. Norman Mattoon Thomas (American Labor, New York) 1949 – 1953
35. Darlington Hoopes (American Labor, Maryland) 1953 – 1957
36. Henry Asgard Wallace (National, Iowa) 1957 – 1965
37. Eugene Joseph McCarthy (American Labor, Minnesota) 1965 – 1973
38. Hubert Horatio Humphrey (American Labor, Minnesota) 1973 – 1977
39. Robert Joseph Dole (National, Kansas) 1977 – 1985
40. George Herbert Walker Bush (National, Connecticut) 1985 – 1993
41. Robert Kenneth Dornan (National, California) 1993 – 1997
42. Albert Arnold Gore (Alliance, Tennessee) 1997 – 2005
43. Howard Brush Dean (Alliance, Vermont) 2005 – 2009
44. John Richard Kasich (National, Ohio) 2009 – 2017
45. John Herman Cox (National, California) 2017 – Incumbent

[😥]

39. Jimmy Cater/Walter Mondale 1977-1985
40. George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle 1985-1993
41. Al Gore/Bob Graham 1993-2001
42. Bob Graham/Jeanne Shaheen 2001-2005
43. John McCain/Norm Coleman 2005-2013
44. Barack Obama/Joe Biden 2013-2017
45. Kelly Ayotte/John Hoeven 2017-2021
46. Joe Biden/Steve Bullock 2021-2025
47. Charlie Baker/Joe Donnelly 2025-2029
48. Joe Donnelly/Charlie Baker 2029-2033
49 (47). Charlie Baker/Joe Donnelly 2033-present

Losing Tickets

1980: Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush
1984: Walter Mondale/Geraldino Ferraro
1988: Michael Dukakis/Lloyd Bentsen
1992: Dan Quayle/Bob Dole
1996: Bob Dole/Jack Kemp
2000: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney
2004: Wesley Clark/Mary Landrieu
2008: Russ Feingold/Barack Obama
2012: Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan
2016: Barack Obama/Joe Biden
2020: Kelly Ayotte/John Hoeven
2024: Bernie Sanders/Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez and Steve Bannon/Michael Flynn
2028: Donald Trump Jr./Michael Flynn and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez/Rashida Tlaib
2032: Unopposed

[Joe Biden 2024]

Obama as McKinley

44. Barack Obama/Chet Edwards 2009-2011, vacant 2011, Andrew Cuomo 2011-2013
45. Andrew Cuomo/vacant 2013, Sherrod Brown 2013-2021
46. Russ Feingold/Xavier Becerra 2021-2024, vacant 2024-2025
47. Charlie Baker/Nikki Haley 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

2008: Ron Paul/Carly Fiorina
2012: Ron Paul/Dick Cheney
2016: Chris Christie/Lamar Alexander
2020: Ron Paul/Josh Hawley
2024: Russ Feingold/Andrew Gillum, Andrew Cuomo/Gavin Newsom

[Cabbage]

(just to have an obscenely long one)

Jefferson as Washington

Thomas Jefferson/Elbridge Gerry 1801-1809
Elbridge Gerry/"Light-Horse Harry" Lee 1809-1813
"Light-Horse Harry" Lee/Alexander Hamilton 1813-1817, DeWitt Clinton 1817-1818
DeWitt Clinton/vacant 1818-1821
James Monroe/Daniel D. Tompkins 1821-1825/vacant 1825-1829
John Tyler/Joseph C. Yates 1829-1833
Daniel Webster/William C. Preston 1833-1841
James K. Polk/John C. Calhoun 1841-1845, William L. Marcy 1845-1849
William L. Marcy/William O. Butler 1849-1853
Jacob Burnet/William C. Rives 1853
William C. Rives/vacant 1853-1857
Cave Johnson/James Buchanan 1857-1861
Winfield Scott/Edwin D. Morgan 1861-1865
Nathaniel B. Baker/Benjamin Fitzpatrick 1865-1869
Charles R. Buckalew/Francis Blair 1869-1873
Ulysses S. Grant/James G. Blaine 1873-1877, Henry Cooper 1877
Henry Cooper/vacant 1877-1881
Shelby Moore Cullom/John P. C. Shanks 1881-1885, William A. Wheeler 1885-1887, vacant 1887-1889
J. Warren Keifer/Henry L. Dawes 1889-1893
Henry L. Dawes/none 1893-1897
David B. Hill/David Turpie 1897-1901
Charles W. Fairbanks/Theodore Roosevelt 1901-1905
David B. Hill/Henry T. Rainey 1905-1909
William Howard Taft/Charles Evans Hughes 1909-1913
Charles Evans Hughes/vacant 1913-1917, James A. Hemenway 1917-1921
Warren G. Harding/William M. Calder 1921-1923
William M. Calder/vacant 1923-1925
George S. Silzer/Thomas Taggart 1925-1929, vacant 1929-1933
Simeon D. Fess/Frank G. Allen 1933-1936
Frank G. Allen/vacant 1936-1937, Frank Orren Lowden 1937-1941
Lester J. Dickinson/Payne Ratner 1941-1945
Herbert H. Lehman/Coke Stevenson 1945-1953, Guy Gillette 1953-1957, Stuart Symington 1957
Stuart Symington/none 1957-1961, Earle Clements 1961-1965
Nelson Rockefeller/Earl Warren 1965-1973
John F. Kennedy/Lloyd Bentsen 1973-1975
Lloyd Bentsen/vacant 1975-1977, Hubert H. Humphrey 1977-1978, vacant 1978-1981
Ronald Reagan/Charles Mathias 1981-1985, William Milliken 1985-1986
William Milliken/Al D'Amato 1986-1989
Sam Nunn/Rudy Perpich 1989-1993
George Deukmejian/Phil Gramm 1993-2001
Phil Gramm/Richard Lugar 2001-2005
Mark Pryor/Phil Bredesen 2005-2013
Rick Perry/John Barrasso 2013-2021
Tammy Duckworth/Chris Coons 2021-2029

[Corbyn is (no longer) the leader of the Labour Party]

41. George Bush/Dan Quayle (1989-1997)
42. Ann Richards/John Kerry (1997-2005)
43. John Kerry/ Dick Gephardt (2005-2009)
44. John McCain/ Rudy Giuliani (2009-2017)
45. Donald Trump/ Kay Hagan (2017-present)

Defeated Tickets

1992 - Paul Tsongas/Lawton Chiles
1996 - Dan Quayle/Pete Wilson
2000 - Richard Lugar/ Arlen Specter
2004 - Orrin Hatch/ Elizabeth Dole
2008 - John Kerry/ Dick Gephardt
2012 - Kathleen Sebelius/ Mark Warner
2016 - Rudy Giuliani/ Marco Rubio

[😥]

41. George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle 1989-1997
42. Bob Graham/Al Gore 1997-2005
43. Al Gore/Russ Feingold 2005-2013
45. Lisa Murkowski/Norm Coleman 2013-2021

1988: Michael Dukakis/Lloyd Bentsen
1992: Bill Clinton/Bob Kerrey
1996: Bob Dole/Jack Kemp
2000: Connie Mack III/Dick Cheney
2004: Orrin Hatch/Bill Frist
2008: Mitt Romney/Sarah Palin
2012: Barack Obama/Bill Richardson
2016: Bernie Sanders/Amy Klobuchar

[Zharques]

2001: Al Gore / Bill Bradley (D)
2001: Bill Bradley / VACANT (D)
2001-2003: Dennis Hastert / VACANT (R)
2003: Strom Thurmond / VACANT (R)
2003-2005: Story Musgrave / Bruce Babbitt (D)
2005-2009: Donald Trump / Maria Cantwell (D)
2009-2010: George W. Bush / Rudy Giulani (C)
2010-2013:Rudy Giuliani / Mick Mulvaney (C)
2013-2017: Richard Ojeda / Barack Obama (D)
2017-2021: Elise Stefanik / Joni Ernst (C)

2020 Election: Joni Ernst / Ben Sasse (C) vs Jeff Merkley / Gretchen Whitmer (D)

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

A one-term Congressman as Veep, a guy who's never held office for President, and a 32-year-old woman for President (who's also only been in Congress for one term) are all pretty woke.

[President Johnson]

Reagan as JFK

1981-1983: Ronald Reagan/George Bush
1983-1989: George Bush/Rudy Boschwitz
1989-1994: Walter Mondale/George Mitchell
1994-1997: George Mitchell/Mario Cuomo
1997-2001: Phil Gramm/Jack Kemp
2001-2009: Jerry Brown/Chris Dodd
2009-2013: Chris Dodd/Evan Bayh
2013-2021: Jon Huntsman/Scott Brown
2021-2029: Gavin Newsom/Ed Perlmutter
2029-2037: Mia Love/John Thune
2037-        : Bill Maher/Pete Buttigieg


Defeated tickets:

1984: George McGovern/Michael Dukakis
1988: Rudy Boschwitz/George Busbee
1992: Newt Gingrich/Pete Wilson
1996: George Mitchell/Bob Kerrey (inc.)
2000: Phil Gramm/Jack Kemp (inc.)
2004: Jack Kemp/Barbara Cubin
2008: Mike Huckabee/Mitt Romney
2012: Chris Dodd/Evan Bayh (inc.)
2016: Chuck Schumer/Xavier Becerra
2020: Scott Brown/Bob Corker
2024: Tom Cotton/Marco Rubio
2028: Sherrod Brown/Gina Raimondo
2032: Jared Polis/Ben McAdams
2036: Nikki Haley/Ron DeSantis

[Zharques]

What everybody thought the future presidents list was going to be in late 2015/early 2016:

45. Hillary Clinton / Julian Castro (2017-2021)
2016 def. Donald Trump / Newt Gingrich

46. Elise Stefanik / John Kasich (2021-2029)
2020 def.  Hillary Clinton / Julian Castro
2024 def. Julian Castro / Tim Ryan

47. Jason Kander / Cory Booker (2029-?)
2028 def. Jaime Herrera Beutler / Ted Cruz

[President Johnson]

What everybody thought the future presidents list was going to be in late 2015/early 2016:

45. Hillary Clinton / Julian Castro (2017-2021)
2016 def. Donald Trump / Newt Gingrich

46. Elise Stefanik / John Kasich (2021-2029)
2020 def.  Hillary Clinton / Julian Castro
2024 def. Julian Castro / Tim Ryan

47. Jason Kander / Cory Booker (2029-?)
2028 def. Jaime Herrera Beutler / Ted Cruz

Replace Stefanik with Haley and it looks about right.

[Zharques]

What everybody thought the future presidents list was going to be in late 2015/early 2016:

45. Hillary Clinton / Julian Castro (2017-2021)
2016 def. Donald Trump / Newt Gingrich

46. Elise Stefanik / John Kasich (2021-2029)
2020 def.  Hillary Clinton / Julian Castro
2024 def. Julian Castro / Tim Ryan

47. Jason Kander / Cory Booker (2029-?)
2028 def. Jaime Herrera Beutler / Ted Cruz

Replace Stefanik with Haley and it looks about right.

Suppose Haley also fits, I just remember a "oh Trump is obviously going to lose, so the Republicans are going to nominate a young, moderate, coastal woman (i.e. the opposite of every key Republican demographic) to beat Clinton in 2020. Haley kinda fits too but many people thought Stefanik would run for governor of NY in 2020 and win over Cuomo (as a moderate).

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

35th Prez Bobby Kennedy/AL Gore Sr   (1961-69) Civil Rights Bill
36th Prez George Romney Sr/ Rockefeller (1969-77) End of Vietnam
37th Prez Teddy Kenndy /Lloyd Bentsen   (1977-81)
38th Prez GH Bush /H.Baker    (1981-89) Cold War
39th Prez Mario Cuomo/Bob Kerrey (1993-2001)
40th Prez J.McCain/George Pataki (2001-2009) 911 and Aftermath
41st Prez Mitt Romney/Mike Huckabee (2009-13)
42nd Prez Andrew Cuomo/Mark Warner (2013-present)