North Carolina: Cooper/Legislature make compromise, new bill similar to HB2

[Virginiá]

North Carolina attempts bait-and-switch with NCAA, pushes new anti-LGBT bill

https://thinkprogress.org/north-carolina-hb2-compromise-nonsense-574620e3f9f1

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Why can't the NCGOP just let go? The restriction on public bathroom part I sort of get coming from them, but why the ban on new LGBT protections at the municipal level until 2020? I mean really, 4 years?

[You don't see any blue avatars now]

How stupid are the people of North Carolina? A hell of a lot less stupid than our GOP, that's for sure.

[Bojack Horseman]

I was expecting them to file a lawsuit against the NCAA or something instead of just giving in.

(I think the NCAA should be abolished for reasons that don't have to do with politics, but that's beside the point.)

[Virginiá]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/30/north-carolina-bathroom-bill-roy-cooper-deal?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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[Antonio the Sixth]

Wait, so what is the bill actually changing?

[Virginiá]

Wait, so what is the bill actually changing?

What it does is obtuse enough that I had to actually read a few articles to get it straight. As usual Vox comes to the rescue!

http://www.vox.com/2017/3/30/15118580/hb2-north-carolina-lgbtq-bathroom-law

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So trans people can now use the bathroom for their gender identity, but public agencies can no longer enact any better accommodations for them. It seems mostly a return to what it was before if I had to guess. Cities will need to wait until the end of 2020 to pass new laws protecting LGBT people, but iirc before there was a permanent ban on it before, so it's a step in the right direction.

I think it's pretty disgusting to have to even have to negotiate like this just to avoid discrimination, but it is what it is. Democrats don't control North Carolina anymore. Republicans and social conservatives do, so we just have to take what we can get for now. Whenever Democrats get full control again, then they can pass anti-discrimination laws, because Republicans sure aren't.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'm honestly surprised NC Republicans were even willing to compromise with Cooper, tbh. It seem to me like they wanted to go full authoritarian.

[Mercenary]

The right of someine identifying as the opposite biological sex to feel more comfortable is somehow ouyweights the privacy rights of the entire remanining users of the public facilities. Ywt somehow oppositiin to this no mattwr what the reason may be is automatically labelled with terms like "bugot", "transphobe", or other nonsense.

It is not even about just safety or some ignorant belief about pervs using this as an excuse to go in the opposite bathroom. Although that may happen I think even the most extreme SJW types.xould agree that is wrong and not what any "anti discriminatory" laws are about. No, this is about the privacy rights of the greater majorirt not to be violated. People shouldnt be forced to undress in front of the opposite biological sex or have to witness such an individual undressing. Stalled bathrooms are nit that big of a deal, especially if the person drrsses as their 8sentity and is taking horomones as the only time anyone is in any state of undress is in a stall but locker and shower rooms are different. Why should people be forced to that kind of exposure? How is that not wrong? Is the need to automatically protect any kind of minority on any issue so extreme that the rights of everyone else do not matter at all anymore? Can not a more reasonable solution be reacher where the rights of the majority are not violated while still ensuring trans people are not  forced into unsafe situations?

Indeed HB2 was a bad law. But anyone feeling political pressure not to object to someine of the opposite biological sex using the same facility is messed up. I imagine it doesnt happe  too much but an extreme example nonetheless would be a highschool should the girls be forced to undress in front and witness the undress of a biological male who has undergone no surgery and is still physicsllt fully male? Seems a bit messed up. Caring only about trans people at the expense of everyone else is just as bad as this GOP legislature that proposed HB2 to begin with. Both groups are narrrowminded fools that dont look at the bigger picture. Granted politics rarely results in any kind of intelligent thinking or reasonable solutions, it is always one kind of nut job position or another.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

The right of someine identifying as the opposite biological sex to feel more comfortable is somehow ouyweights the privacy rights of the entire remanining users of the public facilities.

How do trans people using the bathroom of their choice affect everyone else's privacy right?

[100% pro-life no matter what]

It's a truly dark day in North Carolina, I imagine.  But, at least we had a big win on abortion today with Pence's vote!

[You don't see any blue avatars now]

It's a truly dark day in North Carolina, I imagine.

Sure, but it's a hell of a lot less dark than it was beforehand, I'll tell you that.

[JerryArkansas]

This bill did literally nothing.  Cooper sold out the LGBT community to get back some damn Basketball.  Shame on him and all the Dems who voted for this bill.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Were there a significant number of Republicans opposed, wanting to keep it in full?

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

The NCAA should double-down and say full repeal or no basketball period.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The NCAA should double-down and say full repeal or no basketball period.

And ban post-season play in every state that doesn't have protections against private LGBTQ-discrimination?  That's not gonna fly and you know it.

[Calthrina950]

It's a truly dark day in North Carolina, I imagine.  But, at least we had a big win on abortion today with Pence's vote!

It's interesting how things have progressed in this country in the past decade or so. First, on to gay marriage. Now, on to transgender rights, and even to agender rights. What will be next? It seems as if every year, more and more silly, freakish things become the norm in our society. What is happening in North Carolina demonstrates that.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

The NCAA should double-down and say full repeal or no basketball period.

You've mistaken the NCAA for an activist organization rather than a self-aggrandizing money-making one that takes up popular causes, just like Woke McDonald's or whoever else is ironically woke these days. Considering there are rumors of its dismantling, they'd be wise to not upset their biggest fanbase.

[nclib]

Pretty good news, all things considered. An improvement, but not enough. But given our far-right legislature that's unwilling to compromise, any improvement is encouraging.

Were there a significant number of Republicans opposed, wanting to keep it in full?

Here's the roll call:

House: http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/voteHistory/RollCallVoteTranscript.pl?sSession=2017&sChamber=H&RCS=144

Senate: http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/voteHistory/RollCallVoteTranscript.pl?sSession=2017&sChamber=S&RCS=50

The right of someine identifying as the opposite biological sex to feel more comfortable is somehow ouyweights the privacy rights of the entire remanining users of the public facilities. Ywt somehow oppositiin to this no mattwr what the reason may be is automatically labelled with terms like "bugot", "transphobe", or other nonsense.

It is not even about just safety or some ignorant belief about pervs using this as an excuse to go in the opposite bathroom. Although that may happen I think even the most extreme SJW types.xould agree that is wrong and not what any "anti discriminatory" laws are about. No, this is about the privacy rights of the greater majorirt not to be violated. People shouldnt be forced to undress in front of the opposite biological sex or have to witness such an individual undressing. Stalled bathrooms are nit that big of a deal, especially if the person drrsses as their 8sentity and is taking horomones as the only time anyone is in any state of undress is in a stall but locker and shower rooms are different. Why should people be forced to that kind of exposure? How is that not wrong? Is the need to automatically protect any kind of minority on any issue so extreme that the rights of everyone else do not matter at all anymore? Can not a more reasonable solution be reacher where the rights of the majority are not violated while still ensuring trans people are not  forced into unsafe situations?

Indeed HB2 was a bad law. But anyone feeling political pressure not to object to someine of the opposite biological sex using the same facility is messed up. I imagine it doesnt happe  too much but an extreme example nonetheless would be a highschool should the girls be forced to undress in front and witness the undress of a biological male who has undergone no surgery and is still physicsllt fully male? Seems a bit messed up. Caring only about trans people at the expense of everyone else is just as bad as this GOP legislature that proposed HB2 to begin with. Both groups are narrrowminded fools that dont look at the bigger picture. Granted politics rarely results in any kind of intelligent thinking or reasonable solutions, it is always one kind of nut job position or another.

Regardless of your (and others') opinion of those issues, it is clear that the NC-GOP is using those issues as an excuse to be anti-trans.