The True North - 1990 Liberal Party of Canada leadership election, 2nd ballot

[MAINEiac4434]

Facing an uphill battle in the traditionally left-of-center Liberal Party, Tom Wappel makes his case

Tom Wappel has one supporter in the caucus (himself) and few allies outside of his family. Still, he managed to score the upset of the century and advance to the final ballot. He still supports recriminalizing abortion and curtailing LGBT rights. There are whispers of a Liberal breakaway led by both Chretien and Copps if Wappel wins. With the Liberal Party's base in the progressive cities and with the party's brand distrusted in the conservative west, Wappel is viewed as political suicide by some in the Liberal establishment.

Two days, and the winner either leads the entire Liberal Party, or a fraction of it, into the 1993 election.

[Zioneer]

Supporting Copps, she seems fairly reasonable.

Wappel just sounds insane for the Liberal Party.

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Wappel

[MAINEiac4434]

Supporting Copps, she seems fairly reasonable.

Wappel just sounds insane for the Liberal Party.

In real life he did run for leader in this election, and finished 4th out of 5. He remained an MP until 2008, and to date is the only MO from this riding to be reelected (though one guy left parliament in 1972 and didn't return until 1980, and lost reelection again). If it's any explanation he's considered to be a liberal on fiscal issues, which by default puts him in the Liberal Party (too far left for the PCs, too far right for the NDP).

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Wappel '93!

[MAINEiac4434]

Wappel '93!

Shouldn've known the conservatives on atlas would've rallied around him lol.

[MAINEiac4434]

About a day left.

[Lachi]

Of course the non-Libs come in and ruin the poll. GG

[MAINEiac4434]

Of course the non-Libs come in and ruin the poll. GG

I'm thinking about maybe ignoring the results and just moving forward with Copps. I'll butterfly it away with something like Wappel was arrested for insider trading or something. It's completely unrealistic. We'll have three right-of-center parties battling it out against a radical socialist party (cuz Langdon's gonna win the NDP leadership election) and a sovereigntist party in the general election if this keeps up.

At least in Lumine's series, Livingstone could possibly win a Labour leadership election. I don't think the series can have a man this far right in what is a rather socially liberal country leading the main left-of-center party.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Of course the non-Libs come in and ruin the poll. GG

I'm thinking about maybe ignoring the results and just moving forward with Copps. I'll butterfly it away with something like Wappel was arrested for insider trading or something. It's completely unrealistic. At least in Lumine's series, Livingstone could possibly win a Labour leadership election. I don't think the series can have a man this far right in what is a rather socially liberal country leading the main left-of-center party.

I'd be fine if you ignored the results and did what you might do. I'd prefer it even.

[MAINEiac4434]

Of course the non-Libs come in and ruin the poll. GG

I'm thinking about maybe ignoring the results and just moving forward with Copps. I'll butterfly it away with something like Wappel was arrested for insider trading or something. It's completely unrealistic. At least in Lumine's series, Livingstone could possibly win a Labour leadership election. I don't think the series can have a man this far right in what is a rather socially liberal country leading the main left-of-center party.

I'd be fine if you ignored the results and did what you might do. I'd prefer it even.

I'll let the poll run and then decide. I'm contemplating having a majority of the Liberal caucus split away if Wappel wins, but that would make the general election a six party affair (Reform, PCs, BQs, Liberals, New Liberals, NDP) and calculating the seats for that would be maddening.

[PPT Spiral]

Of course the non-Libs come in and ruin the poll. GG

I'm thinking about maybe ignoring the results and just moving forward with Copps. I'll butterfly it away with something like Wappel was arrested for insider trading or something. It's completely unrealistic. We'll have three right-of-center parties battling it out against a radical socialist party (cuz Langdon's gonna win the NDP leadership election) and a sovereigntist party in the general election if this keeps up.

At least in Lumine's series, Livingstone could possibly win a Labour leadership election. I don't think the series can have a man this far right in what is a rather socially liberal country leading the main left-of-center party.

Don't kill your TL like that before it ever really started.

[MAINEiac4434]

Of course the non-Libs come in and ruin the poll. GG

I'm thinking about maybe ignoring the results and just moving forward with Copps. I'll butterfly it away with something like Wappel was arrested for insider trading or something. It's completely unrealistic. We'll have three right-of-center parties battling it out against a radical socialist party (cuz Langdon's gonna win the NDP leadership election) and a sovereigntist party in the general election if this keeps up.

At least in Lumine's series, Livingstone could possibly win a Labour leadership election. I don't think the series can have a man this far right in what is a rather socially liberal country leading the main left-of-center party.

Don't kill your TL like that before it ever really started.

I mean, three center-right parties? It's completely unrealistic.

[PPT Spiral]

Of course the non-Libs come in and ruin the poll. GG

I'm thinking about maybe ignoring the results and just moving forward with Copps. I'll butterfly it away with something like Wappel was arrested for insider trading or something. It's completely unrealistic. We'll have three right-of-center parties battling it out against a radical socialist party (cuz Langdon's gonna win the NDP leadership election) and a sovereigntist party in the general election if this keeps up.

At least in Lumine's series, Livingstone could possibly win a Labour leadership election. I don't think the series can have a man this far right in what is a rather socially liberal country leading the main left-of-center party.

Don't kill your TL like that before it ever really started.

I mean, three center-right parties? It's completely unrealistic.

Weird stuff happens, man. Not like it will always be that way either. It's when the author starts blatantly manipulating their own results to their liking that there's trouble. Bigby had a very detailed and well written TL a few years ago, but when he stopped Strom Thurmond from winning once, people got angry and he ended up dropping the thing altogether. As someone who loves this sh**t on the forum, I'd hate to see that happen again.

[DC Al Fine]

Agreed. Remember Tony's Italy timeline? It turned into a hopelessly unrealistic left-right system instead of the DC dominance in real life. It was still fun.

[Intell]

Of course the non-Libs come in and ruin the poll. GG

I'm thinking about maybe ignoring the results and just moving forward with Copps. I'll butterfly it away with something like Wappel was arrested for insider trading or something. It's completely unrealistic. We'll have three right-of-center parties battling it out against a radical socialist party (cuz Langdon's gonna win the NDP leadership election) and a sovereigntist party in the general election if this keeps up.

At least in Lumine's series, Livingstone could possibly win a Labour leadership election. I don't think the series can have a man this far right in what is a rather socially liberal country leading the main left-of-center party.

Don't kill your TL like that before it ever really started.

I mean, three center-right parties? It's completely unrealistic.

Just go with the democratic vote, the liberals will probably be crushed in the next election, if Wappel wins.

[White Trash]

Why ignore the results of a poll if you don't like it?

[Intell]

Why ignore the results of a poll if you don't like it?

It's stupid, don't create a TL if so.

[MAINEiac4434]

Of course the non-Libs come in and ruin the poll. GG

I'm thinking about maybe ignoring the results and just moving forward with Copps. I'll butterfly it away with something like Wappel was arrested for insider trading or something. It's completely unrealistic. We'll have three right-of-center parties battling it out against a radical socialist party (cuz Langdon's gonna win the NDP leadership election) and a sovereigntist party in the general election if this keeps up.

At least in Lumine's series, Livingstone could possibly win a Labour leadership election. I don't think the series can have a man this far right in what is a rather socially liberal country leading the main left-of-center party.

Don't kill your TL like that before it ever really started.

I mean, three center-right parties? It's completely unrealistic.

Just go with the democratic vote, the liberals will probably be crushed in the next election, if Wappel wins.

Well it will certainly be interesting. My gut says the NDP becomes the favorite even with Langdon's radicalism.

[MAINEiac4434]

Why ignore the results of a poll if you don't like it?

The more I'm thinking about it, the more excited I am by a Liberal split. The chaos will be unimaginable.

[MAINEiac4434]

About 12 hours left.

[White Trash]

Why ignore the results of a poll if you don't like it?

The more I'm thinking about it, the more excited I am by a Liberal split. The chaos will be unimaginable.

Oh for sure, it could be a lot of fun.

[Zioneer]

Why ignore the results of a poll if you don't like it?

The more I'm thinking about it, the more excited I am by a Liberal split. The chaos will be unimaginable.

I think that you should do it, but do a penalty system like Lumine is doing for general elections if the results consistently don't make any sense.

[MAINEiac4434]

Why ignore the results of a poll if you don't like it?

The more I'm thinking about it, the more excited I am by a Liberal split. The chaos will be unimaginable.

I think that you should do it, but do a penalty system like Lumine is doing for general elections if the results consistently don't make any sense.

Oh definitely. I'm going to penalize the general election results. Probably not the leadership results, though.

[Intell]

Why ignore the results of a poll if you don't like it?

The more I'm thinking about it, the more excited I am by a Liberal split. The chaos will be unimaginable.

I think that you should do it, but do a penalty system like Lumine is doing for general elections if the results consistently don't make any sense.

Oh definitely. I'm going to penalize the general election results. Probably not the leadership results, though.

Don't penalise the results out of random, but you can penalise it if after a party continually wins elections.